The absolute state of pc gaming

[ToTTenTranz]

ehhhhhh 7700xt is basically the same performance as a 6800 nonXT which was upper midrange 3 years ago. it's also less than half a 4090, and no DLSS. That's low tier or low-mid to me at best.

Mid-low have traditionally been ~120-160mm^2 monolithic chips. Like the 118mm^2 Turks/HD6670, then the 123mm^2 Cape Verde / HD7770, then the 160mm^2 Bonaire, then the 158mm^2 Navi 14, etc.

The 7700XT uses a cut-down 200mm^2 GCD plus 3x 37mm^2 MCDs. If it was a fully-enabled monolithic chip it wouldn't be less than 250mm^2 for sure.



The truth is for the past ~7 years they haven't really been replacing all performance tiers in GPUs with each new generation. They've been taking out from the market all the sub-100mm^2 chips (Polaris 12, Oland, Caicos, etc.) because that performance tier is covered by iGPUs, and they've been adding new performance tiers above the high-end where multi-GPU Crossfire/SLI solutions used to be.

 

[Systemshock2023]

Can't believe Huang can create HAL9000 but cannot bring SLI with proper scaling back. 1080ti SLI with good upscaling and FSR would set you until 2030

 

[ToTTenTranz]

Can't believe Huang can create HAL9000 but cannot bring SLI with proper scaling back. 1080ti SLI with good upscaling and FSR would set you until 2030

The typical Alternate Frame Rendering method started becoming a hassle when the memory amount got short and it generated large frame spikes.

Then, DX12 explicit multi-adapter was supposed to solve that part, but it never really took off. Which is a shame, because it even allowed for iGPUs to do compute tasks and alleviate the dGPUs in laptops, supposedly giving those a boost in performance.

 

[Systemshock2023]

The typical Alternate Frame Rendering method started becoming a hassle when the memory amount got short and it generated large frame spikes.

Then, DX12 explicit multi-adapter was supposed to solve that part, but it never really took off. Which is a shame, because it even allowed for iGPUs to do compute tasks and alleviate the dGPUs in laptops, supposedly giving those a boost in performance.

AMD had crossfire X for a while as well. It was supposed to combine specific AMD GPUs with Apu's like the A8 or A10

 

[rofif]

I also want to add... as though I was a pc gamers (kinda still am) all my life (started in 1997, I still have my 3dfx), I am feeling like a fool every time I get a new pc part for price of console or more.. only to struggle and seemingly create problems for myself.
With console, I don't care what the settings are. I just make peace with what it is and play it, no matter if it's low or 30fps or whatever. Modes do put a dent in that though. Not a big fan of modes.
But with pc - I am always aware that this fucking 3080 was 700$, I had to hunt for it for over a week with scripts and bots and alarms waking me up 2am (I really did it lol)... only in the end to have games crashing because Nvidia put only 10gb of vram in it and generally the card had 100% gpu utlization day1. The main problem is of course ports quality but it is what it is.

Pc - 1997 to now
console - 360 2008, ps4 2017

Each time I had a console, I keep palying a ton of games and find fun in gaming again. Then console ages, I upgrade my pc, be WOWED at high fps again and so on, only to get tired of it's annoyances, start feeling like a fool and have my gaming refreshed with new console.
This gen, with ps5, it is the longest time my pc have not seen an upgrade with 3080 being the last one. (mice and keyboard upgrades aside because 9bitdo retro keyboard is fucking awesome and I type a lot on forums).

 

[Systemshock2023]

Not that there's much to upgrade from a 3080

 

[Etifilio]

compiling shaders while you're writing this thread

 

[JAHGamer]

Amazon UK lists the 13600k at 325 quid, the 4070 Super at around 700 quid depending on the brand, and RAM at 80 quid. All in all, that alone costs around 1100 and you're not even adding a PSU, storage, and case.

Even with Amazon.com prices you may not be able to hit that price point, and that's before tax.

uk prices are scams then, it’s 220 cpu and 600 gpu here.

 

[Darth Vader]

uk prices are scams then, it’s 220 cpu and 600 gpu here.

Amazon.com has similar prices before discounts, and its 260 without tax. A 4070 super is 600 without sales tax. with that it's closer to 630, so its not a massive difference.

Even so, unless you want to buy the shittiest case, SSD, and power supply, 1200 is not enough. A decent modular PSU alone will set you back 100 quid or more.

 

[anonpuffs]

Mid-low have traditionally been ~120-160mm^2 monolithic chips. Like the 118mm^2 Turks/HD6670, then the 123mm^2 Cape Verde / HD7770, then the 160mm^2 Bonaire, then the 158mm^2 Navi 14, etc.

The 7700XT uses a cut-down 200mm^2 GCD plus 3x 37mm^2 MCDs. If it was a fully-enabled monolithic chip it wouldn't be less than 250mm^2 for sure.



The truth is for the past ~7 years they haven't really been replacing all performance tiers in GPUs with each new generation. They've been taking out from the market all the sub-100mm^2 chips (Polaris 12, Oland, Caicos, etc.) because that performance tier is covered by iGPUs, and they've been adding new performance tiers above the high-end where multi-GPU Crossfire/SLI solutions used to be.

You're ignoring the fact that dies have been getting bigger because moore's law has been broken since the 2010s. The 1080 Ti was 400mm^2, the 4090 is over 600.

 

[Wing84]

The day my son asks me for a machine to play videogames on that costs more than $600 is the day I'm going to get him a low wage job, make him pay rent and for his food so he can understand how ridiculous that is lol.

 

[quest4441]

A pc which outperforms a playstation for 2 generations costs anywhere between 1500-2000 range, nVidia has always been a scam after the 10 series.

 

[rofif]

You're ignoring the fact that dies have been getting bigger because moore's law has been broken since the 2010s. The 1080 Ti was 400mm^2, the 4090 is over 600.

true.
It aint no moores law if next gpu is 2x faster but also consumes 2x watts

 

[Killer_Sakoman]

I think high end PC is becoming a luxury. I remember building a highend PC for $1500 in 2010 with gtx 480. Good old time.