They are beginning to understand.

[Alabtrosmyster]

What I don't understand is why Phil Spencer & co aren't fired the fuck out of there already. It's been a decade straight of continual failure. These aren't the first games that have disappointed. If they can't find anyone internally who's willing to step up (and with an excess of 200k employees I find that highly unlikely) then they need to find someone external who can come in and clean house. That's if they're really committed to the gaming thing and not just doing sunk cost fallacy because there revenue numbers will nosedive without it.

Phil convinced them that if they could not compete that was their lack of studios (which he closed in part).

So they gave him tons of money to resolve the situation and do acquisitions.

He could show them how gamepass was growing for a while, so that might have looked like success. Hey look at this growth, it probably go to the moon!

He has a cult following and the shill army probably prevented a few internet backlashes from happening (or they made enough noise to kind of hide the real mood around Xbox).

So there might have been enough to fool the casual bean counter.

 

[ethomaz]

Games matter.
They never delivered to build trust in Xbox brand… it is always waiting for the next disappointment.

They have all the chances to compete and even dominate but give up a decade ago.

Because the team behind Xbox is incompetent.
Sony did give a lot of chances to them and they just wasted them.

 

[Snes nes]

Apple is going to cuck Microsoft in the PC Sphere

Maybe so But that price point for their products is A huge hamper imo.

 

[Box]

Maybe so But that price point for their products is A huge hamper imo.

PC gamers spend thousands of dollars on graphics cards, i think can manage Apple prices.

 

[historia]

When Philly boi takes the charge in 2008 for 1P studios their gamesquality has plummeted.

They are making fucking dumbware arcade titles ffs.

Idk, whose fault was that, Ryan fault, or Yoshida fault? Must be Hirai fault then. Blame competitor for your missteps, classic loser.

The only path for them to regain relevancy is to buy Nintendo, and not turn them into garbage.

 

[Snes nes]

PC gamers spend thousands of dollars on graphics cards, i think can manage Apple prices.

The consumers that buy apple and an gpu are different from one another. Apple people buy Apple because it’s shiny and cool. Those who buy gpus already know what their getting Into.

 

[Dabaus]

I may flesh this thought out in different threads but im starting to think gamepass is just kinect 2.0 on steroids'. That is to say Gamepass, because of Neflix streaming and the covid bump gave MS the false impression that this was the future of media, just apply it to gaming now. In the same way kinect 2.0 was assumed to be the next big thing in gaming because Kinect was big hit on the 360. I dont blame them for assuming either one, but with gamepass they bet the entire farm on subscription gaming while acting as if console sales are old fashioned or not relevant but it seems like that was a massive gamble that they bet wrong on.

 

[ethomaz]

PC gamers spend thousands of dollars on graphics cards, i think can manage Apple prices.

That is a very minimal part of PC gamers.

 

[ethomaz]

The consumers that buy apple and an gpu are different from one another. Apple people buy Apple because it’s shiny and cool. Those who buy gpus already know what their getting Into.

I should say Apple people buy Apple because it works without unnecessary steps.

It is expensive but everything works without big setups, research or manuals…

At least that is my experience with Apple Home Kit and others options.

They do care about final consumer experience.

 

[Darth Vader]

I should say Apple people buy Apple because it works without unnecessary steps.

It is expensive but everything works without big setups, research or manuals…

At least that is my experience with Apple Home Kit and others options.

Funny, my windows machine and my android devices also worked without big set ups, research, or manuals. Everything just works seamlessly. The device I have that has the biggest issues is my Macbook Pro

 

[ethomaz]

Funny, my windows machine and my android devices also worked without big set ups, research, or manuals. Everything just works seamlessly. The device I have that has the biggest issues is my Macbook Pro

Curious… do you try to use non-Apple devices in your Mac Book Pro?

Because all my Apple devices just works from the go.

Edit - For example a pair of Headphones works for all your Apple devices without need to despair in the previous device… you are listening in your iPhone, you just get your iPad and start to listen there and it works… convenience is what Apple sells best.

The Apple ecosystem is somehow revolutionary… only these that use it knows how convenient it is.

But I know it is a pain if you try to put others devices working.

 

[Darth Vader]

Curious… do you try to use non-Apple devices in your Mac Book Pro?

Because all my Apple devices just works from the go.

Edit - For example a pair of Headphones works for all your Apple devices without need to despair in the previous device… you are listening in your iPhone, you just get your iPad and start to listen there and it works… convenience is what Apple sells best.

The Apple ecosystem is somehow revolutionary… only these that use it knows how convenient it is.

It's not about "interconnection", it's about the Mac being the most unstable product I have, and it's the second third Mac I've owned. My windows just works, my android just works, my watch just works, my mac is usually riddled with bugs and shitty behaviour. Today Zoom decided not to work because reasons, only took a restart. Sometimes finder freezes because he's cold, I guess.

My earbuds connect fine with my mac, and they're Xiaomi, it's just that the device in itself is crap. And before you say "oh it's an old mac", nah, it's a top of the line 16 inch Macbook Pro. Previously I had a full specced 13inch MBP (intel) that died within 2 1/2 years where it was running so hot it burned my hands, battery killed itself, and keys were stuck and broken. Before that I had an iMac (one of the cheaper ones), which was solid.

And on convenience, my phone can (I dont want it to) seamlessly connect with windows even for password verification. My watch connects seamlessly with my phone and I can control features interchangeably. Whatever advantage Apple had years ago has long died down, and their OS has been so dumbed down that it's not even funny. I kinda miss Logic Pro, Aperture...

 

[Snes nes]

Curious… do you try to use non-Apple devices in your Mac Book Pro?

Because all my Apple devices just works from the go.

Edit - For example a pair of Headphones works for all your Apple devices without need to despair in the previous device… you are listening in your iPhone, you just get your iPad and start to listen there and it works… convenience is what Apple sells best.

The Apple ecosystem is somehow revolutionary… only these that use it knows how convenient it is.

But I know it is a pain if you try to put others devices working.

Apple is weird about this stuff And A Lot of dev stuff is prioritized for Microsoft So the compatibility will likely be lower. As @Satoru said (He seems to know more about mac than I do) it is very finicky And the os is locked down to a extent where the thing is so locked down that it’s difficult to troubleshoot.

 

[historia]

Either way, I prefer Mac OS more than Windows because it supports Jap seamlessly.

On Windows seem like a bunch of monkey trying to translate back and forward using machine translate.

Hell even community language pack on linux works better.

Also AutoCAD work great, MatLab works great on the goal.

My old 17' LG with the Ryzen chip takes like 10 minutes to load the file, and freeze 5 seconds every move. Also it heats up like a frying pan.

The M2 Mac just works instantly. Also doesn't heat up that much.


Downsize, uh, a lot of Mac programs, free one albeit, has no UX. I think it could be an annoyance for sure.


So yea for me now Linux for PC games, Mac for works. Windows belong to the bin.

 

[Airbus]

god i hope not, apple can stay the fuck away from pc's and keep their overpriced hardware to themselves

Still the only countermeasures that can compete with microsoft

90% computer on planet earth are using microsoft windows

Good luck to find other alternatives

 

[Zzero]

Default Windows 11 really is a UX abomination, thankfullyas the world's dominant computing system, there's plenty of free customization available. I've already fixed the Start bar, turned Bing off and disabled most tracking stuff. Now all I need to do is get on-computer search working.

 

[Loy310]

Some of yall need to be humble, anything can happen in life and Sony is not a trillion dollar company. 2 generations the PS3 was on the verge of collapsing Sony.

 

[Darth Vader]

My old 17' LG with the Ryzen chip takes like 10 minutes to load the file, and freeze 5 seconds every move. Also it heats up like a frying pan.

The M2 Mac just works instantly. Also doesn't heat up that much.

You're comparing a 2017 machine with a new Mac. The 2017 machine was also more than likely cheaper and of a lower segment.

It's like comparing a Switch with a PS5 and then say the PS5 is better.

Apple is weird about this stuff And A Lot of dev stuff is prioritized for Microsoft So the compatibility will likely be lower. As @Satoru said (He seems to know more about mac than I do) it is very finicky And the os is locked down to a extent where the thing is so locked down that it’s difficult to troubleshoot.

My issues are not compatibility related, they're quality related. My Mac, which should be the second coming of christ, since he cost over twice what my Windows cost, should be the more stable and faster machine. I can tell you it's not stable at all.

 

[historia]

You're comparing a 2017 machine with a new Mac. The 2017 machine was also more than likely cheaper and of a lower segment.

It's like comparing a Switch with a PS5 and then say the PS5 is better.


My issues are not compatibility related, they're quality related. My Mac, which should be the second coming of christ, since he cost over twice what my Windows cost, should be the more stable and faster machine. I can tell you it's not stable at all.

Eh my it is an LG UltraPC Thin 2022, Ryzen 7, 16 inches(sorry I mistakes it for 17)

I used many laptops before, Dell XPS 15, HP Workstation G3, Toshiba, Vaio, bla bla bla.

Seem like Mac build quality is just on another level.

Dell XPS 15, throttle issues, also screen flicker issue.

HP workstation also got throttle issues and one of the TB port got issue.

Toshiba, Vaio, eh, either wifi card issue or. It is too long ago so yea.

The LG UltraPC recent also got throttle issues. Tbf it is not powerful on GPU but I at least can expect it to view CAD model with just a bit freeze, 10-20 secs is just too much. Also throttle issues again.

Seem like Apple fix the throttle issue with their inhouse ARM chips. Also the damn thing does not even have a cooler, just passive cooling. Plus their build quality exceed everything that offer in the market.

The 256GB 16GB model cost me less than the LG too.

x86 is not built for portable use, it's time people admit that.

 

[Doncortez77]

Some of yall need to be humble, anything can happen in life and Sony is not a trillion dollar company. 2 generations the PS3 was on the verge of collapsing Sony.

The discussion in this thread is not about the potential collapse of Sony. Why we always got to result to diversion tactics when the discussion is about someone critic of MS? If you have to resort to using a “Sony Too” response, you already have a weak counterpoint. You act like MS wasn’t on the verge of shutting down Xbox until they pivoted to a subscription service. But we want to try to divert the topic about a Sony collapse