Console wars are over. Microsoft ramping up 3rd party development. |UP| Chris Dring: Xbox flatlining in EU, Xbox games coming to PS & less focus on GP

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thicc_girls_are_teh_best said:
Well yeah I think we're in agreement on things like Xbox gaming not going anywhere...or maybe better to say Microsoft Gaming. They could always do away with the "Xbox" brand and rename it something else, but I don't see them stopping with gaming hardware itself even if console hardware does come to an end (and given sales trends, needs to). But that is just me saying hardware tied to a traditional business model of consoles as we know them, would have to end. The hardware can continue, just not with that business model (or the things normally associated with it).

The multiplat strategy right now is a tease of it, but it seems increasingly likely they will fully commit to it going forward. The only ones losing out in this case are diehard fanboys who want another 360 vs PS3 console generation, because that isn't happening anymore. Though like @Nhomnhom was suggesting, if Valve decided to step up their volume of production with Steam Deck and maybe took a hybrid approach, and if Sony don't adjust their PC strategy, we could get another 360 vs PS3 like situation just with Valve replacing Microsoft in that situation.

IMO Steam is probably the bigger competitor to Xbox and PlayStation at this point than either is to each other. The difference is, Microsoft doesn't "need" the Xbox console anymore. They can just as well pivot to console-ish PC gaming devices because they have vested interests in PC (Windows, DirectX etc.). Sony still needs the PlayStation console, but IMO they also need to make it more competitive with PC platforms like Steam going forward.
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peter42O said:
Hahaha. I was all in with Microsoft, Xbox and Phil Spencer since E3 2018. Was all in with Xbox Series X since Spring 2020. Even with a one game only console launch in 2020 and a shitty 2022, I was still an Xbox fan but once they had that stupid business update or whatever the fuck they called it and announced that they're porting games to Sony/Nintendo platforms, that was it.

I'm not buying any more games on Xbox which is why I went with GameFly and while Xbox Series X will stay my primary gaming console for the rest of the generation due to the fact that I have never switched consoles mid-generation, I have zero interest in their stupid fucking handheld, revisions or their 2026 next generation hardware especially since I know they will be cross-gen for a while anyway.

Once Sony releases PlayStation 6 in Fall 2028 (or whenever they release it), I switch back to PlayStation as my primary gaming console and will simply play every Microsoft first party game on PlayStation because by then, they will either be A) releasing their games on PlayStation day one despite having their own hardware or B) full third party only publisher like Sega with no more hardware since it would be dead and buried.

At this point, im simply riding out the remainder of the generation.
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Just buy a PS5 Pro you still have time to redeem your gaming memories this gen.
 
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Stolen from GAF.

This is why the online Xbox community is lost. Xbox influencers are always making excuses until reality hits them in the face.
 
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A bunch of us who have been following the industry trends since the early 00s got hunted and chased out from forums by astroturfers and Xbox fanboys for doing critical analysis that predicted everything that is happening right now. The one thing that could’ve changed this was if ABK had closed quick and they had started shipping COD as an exclusive on Xbox straight away from 22 onwards, 23 at latest.

It’s over. That industry analysts/reporters like Chris Dring couldn’t see the forest for the threes doesn’t come as much of a surprise as this industry is very light on competent analysis.

Next on the bingo card is dreaming about fast forwarding all cloud future, and the farther and farther away that future looks the more the argument will shift to PC is the future. In the meantime we are going to read about hopes and dreams of a Uber disruptive Xbox Next/Handheld that is going to work like a phoenix down on steroids for a brand with a terrible image.
 
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Airbus said:
Xbox fans to Xbox right now be like

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As if, people that are Xbox fans at this point would never dare question anything regarding MS decisions.

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The one thing that could’ve changed this was if ABK had closed quick and they had started shipping COD as an exclusive on Xbox straight away from 22 onwards, 23 at latest.
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Nope, if you think that would've changed anything you don't get it.

Buying ABK was always going to accelerate Xbox demise. Making CoD exclusive to Xbox would kill CoD not save the Xbox.

With that said I would not be surprised if Phil Spencer didn't think all the way trough and only found out that after they had already omitted to buying them tho, dude doesn't seem able anticipate anything.
 
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As if, people that are Xbox fans at this point would never dare question anything regarding MS decisions.


Nope, if you think that would've changed anything you don't get it.

Buying ABK was always going to accelerate Xbox demise. Making CoD exclusive to Xbox would kill CoD not save the Xbox.

With that said I would not be surprised if Phil Spencer didn't think all the way trough and only found out that after they had already omitted to buying them tho, dude doesn't seem able anticipate anything.
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I get it plenty and making COD exclusive to Xbox in 22 would’ve shifted momentum. If you think it would’ve killed COD you’re crazy. It doesn’t mean PS5 would die, but right now you’re saying Jim Ryan was an idiot who was worried about COD exclusivity for nothing. He’s no idiot.
 
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Thirty7ven said:
I get it plenty and making COD exclusive to Xbox in 22 would’ve shifted momentum. If you think it would’ve killed COD you’re crazy. It doesn’t mean PS5 would die, but right now you’re saying Jim Ryan was an idiot who was worried about COD exclusivity for nothing. He’s no idiot.
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Removing CoD from PS5 would harm CoD drastically more than it would harm PlayStation. All other devs and publishers would welcome the opportunity to occupy that space.

Why do you assume Jim Ryan was worried for nothing? He had zero incentive to ever be supportive of it and even internal email show he wasn't actually that worried and predicted MS would fumble the managements of these publishers after acquisition (as anyone paying attention would've guessed).

It's was Jim Ryan's and Sony's job to make that acquisition as hard as possible for MS regardless of what they truly believed.

The acquisition has been concluded and Xbox never sold as poorly as it sells now, nobody actually cared.
 
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This is 10th year since they promise all that.
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By mostly good I mean, Gamepass and the relevance of their relation to the gaming industry.

I won't lie, PS+ game catalog has been very good in alot of ways, but having games launch on your subscription is still very good value.

Microsoft got a very good deal on ABK, ABK's market cap fell a shit ton, which prompted MS to make the move. Also hit its record revenue in 2023, because Diablo IV hit or exceeded its sales target.

For example if ABKs stock didn't fall MS would have to pay a 100 billion to acquire them, so they basically got 1$ while spending 0.70$, this was also primarily cash on hand, so MS just secured its gaming industry forever ticket, while getting billions of revenue every year.

Gamepass, I'm pretty sure will always be valuable and relevant, they really did an amazing job implementing play anywhere and getting gamepass on PC, and we will most likely see a big subscriber jump after Activision games come day 1 on the service.

+ I don't think Xbox hardware has much potential, but I don't think MS will pull the plug at all. Nor do I think the next high-end Xbox console will have 0 sales.

There are still millions who have built their digital libraries on Xbox, and this benefit will also keep increasing since Xbox is taking a more digital approach to their future, and as you know unlike physical, digital games can't just be resold.
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I think most people here referring to thier console business. Microsoft as 3rd party publisher and their mobile gaming will be fine but as console manufacturer they are dying. First few year they seem doing fine but that mostly thanks to PS5 shortage. Last year they got outsold 3-1 this year it is heading towards 4-1 worldwide. US and UK used to be competitve market for Xbox even during Xbox One gen. Xbox One would outsell PS4 once a while in US when big exclusive like Halo release. This gen Series even falling behind aging Switch and getting outsold 2-1 in its biggest market. Gamepass success largely tied to Xbox sales. With declining console sales, Gamepass subs will decline too. Gamepass had been missing target for 3 years in row. Microsoft gaming business will still become major publisher without Xbox thanks to Bethesda and ABK acquisition as long they continue to release all their games on PC and PS5.
 
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The funny thing is that the combined entity might become the biggest third party publisher but it won't have anything to do with Xbox game studios. It'll be all about ABK, Bethesda, and whatever other third party they have to buy to reach that position and reverse the erosion to those two pubs caused by Phil and Booty's bad management.
 
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This can't be a serious post? 😂

GamePass lost 4m subscribers last year and will lose even more this year. Microsoft is still losing a ton of money on it.

Saying "Microsoft got a very good deal on ABK" is a joke. They got fleeced, they paid 70 billion for a bunch of dying franchises.

Diablo 4 did good at first, and then it completely died and bombed after the first update.
CoD MW3 sold 33% less than MW2 did, and Warzone has lost 50% of its player base.
Overwatch 2 was DoA and now with the PVE cancelled, its deader than dead.
Hearthstone died a long time ago
WoW is the only ABK IP doing somewhat ok....

The only good thing out of that deal are the mobile games, but again 70 billion for that is a joke.

GamePass is tied directly to the console, and since the console is dying, that means GP is dying as well. I expect both the consoles and GamePass to be discontinued within the next 3 years.
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The ABK deal looks worse and worse by the day

 
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People shouldn't expect a handheld Xbox anytime soon.

First off because there's no real need to develop custom hardware to play Xbox games. All of Microsoft's games are already releasing on PC so they just need to do is create an optimized Windows front-end that runs on currently existing handhelds like the ROG Ally and Legion Go. If Valve can do a Linux distribution that is optimized for handheld usage and runs Windows games, then Microsoft had better be able to create a Windows that is optimized for handheld usage and runs.. Windows games.


But most of all because there's been no reports whatsoever, from leaked roadmaps to Linux patches and shipping manifests, that even remotely point to a new mobile SoC for a handheld console. I too thought at first that the Series S was a trojan horse for a handheld Xbox down the road, but Microsoft never went through with it. And the late 2023 FTC leaks even put the "1st-party Handheld Console" under the "we're not even thinking about it" moniker.
 
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First off because there's no real need to develop custom hardware to play Xbox games. All of Microsoft's games are already releasing on PC so they just need to do is create an optimized Windows front-end that runs on currently existing handhelds like the ROG Ally and Legion Go. If Valve can do a Linux distribution that is optimized for handheld usage and runs Windows games, then Microsoft had better be able to create a Windows that is optimized for handheld usage and runs.. Windows games.
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While I agree that would be nice to have a "Windows Game Boy Edition" in the end people end up installing full on windows or nothing because there are 2 or 3 things they want to do with their machine that don't work on it.

So, it better be very special.
 
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The ABK deal looks worse and worse by the day

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I'm not surprised that Phil Spencer of all people would be the one to not realize that Activision and Blizzard were already full steam ahead into destroying themselves.

Current day Blizzard is completely incapable of coming up with games as important and successful as their classics (no wonder they are now open to licensing their IPs, so they can be milked to death).

As for Activision, they are nothing but a deeply dysfunctional CoD factory and they pretty much played all their cards already, their time is up.
 
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