PlayStation adds PC icon on PS5 trophies lists - via @Zuby_Tech

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Better if there's more competition on PC games. Valve might need to start developing games again besides multiplayer.

That's by far Sony's biggest advantage over Valve. They actually still make games on a regular basis.

What surprises me is Sony's lack of Mac ports.

I think there's a real opportunity there.

If we don't see a Mac port of Helldivers 2 by he end of the year, it'll be a real mistake.
 

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Yes, it will. Like with Vita games, unless they have the same version as it was with PS3/Vita, they shared it.

It was really always a game-by-game case everytime. Just like multiple lists depending on region. I've read of people getting the platinum for the same game like 6+ times because of different lists for platforms AND for regions. Without auto-unlock.

It shows the dedication some of them have, but with PC games supporting trophies, they might soon lose their passion thanks to hacks.
 

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It was really always a game-by-game case everytime. Just like multiple lists depending on region. I've read of people getting the platinum for the same game like 6+ times because of different lists for platforms AND for regions. Without auto-unlock.

It shows the dedication some of them have, but with PC games supporting trophies, they might soon lose their passion thanks to hacks.
Yes, it has. There is different platinum based on region of the same game but not all. US, EU,ASIA, JP. Mostly smaller games, like ratalaika etc. but big AAA games usually has WW trophy list. Some can have separate like PS4 and PS5.
 

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Sony won't make its own launcher and leave Steam because shareholders will tank the company's stock price. Sony is on PC in the first place because these fuckers demanded growth no matter what. My last hope is that whoever is Playstation's next CEO will be smart enough to pull away from PC entirely and take the temporary hit to the stock price so that he can build a stronger platform in the long run.
 
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If they remove their games from Steam it's going to be hilarious how much hate they are going to get. I can't wait to see the bloodbath.
if monkeys flew out my butt, that would be hilarious too
 

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If they remove their games from Steam it's going to be hilarious how much hate they are going to get. I can't wait to see the bloodbath.
Pretty sure GoT just has a PlayStation overlay, not a launcher.
 

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Press X to doubt.

What exactly are you doubting here?

If Sony put out the number of games that Valve does, people would bring pitchforks. There is absolutely no argument as to who produces more games... It's not even close. It's probably greater than 10:1.



Sony won't make its own launcher and leave Steam because shareholders will tank the company's stock price. Sony is on PC in the first place because these fuckers demanded growth no matter what. My last hope is that whoever is Playstation's next CEO will be smart enough to pull away from PC entirely and take the temporary hit to the stock price so that he can build a stronger platform in the long run.

Running their own launcher is exactly how you guarantee revenue and profit. You're blind to it, but Sony engaging on PC creates a stronger PlayStation.

Sony's PS4 strategy worked out great, it's also entirely unsustainable.

Helldivers 2 is evidence that Sony's strategy is the correct one. As we've said for the longest time, it's going to turn out to be Sony's most profitable game, and probably by far. It would be even more profitable if they weren't giving 20 percent of the revenue to Valve.

Sony's GaaS strategy doesn't appeal to all gamers. It's not supposed to, but ignoring GaaS isn't a long term strategy when the largest games on both console and PC are GaaS games.

The difference between Sony and another publishers many of whom also have their own launcher and individual storefront is that Sony makes more games/better games than most of these publishers.

You look at Microsoft and they bought Mojang and Minecraft. What else do they have? What else are they making?

Epic has Fortnite and they partner to have Genshin Impact. They also have Rocket League.

EA has EA FC and Apex Legends.

Riot has League of Legends and Valorant.

Valve has CS and DOTA.


You can't have a GaaS strategy without PC and it's pretty dumb to have a PC strategy that relies on Steam. Almost no one has done that.

Your hope is that Sony leaves PC and leaves GaaS, but there is just no future in that. Younger plays are almost entirely focused on GaaS games. The more expensive games get to make, the smaller profit Sony is going to get with these titles that we all love. The less profit, the fewer of these type of games they can warrant making.

If you love sony single player games, you should absolutely embrace them diversifying as it is the only thing that can keep them involved in the future.

Right off the bat Sony has had success with Helldivers 2. This doesn't guarantee success with any of their other GaaS games, but it does show that Sony's quality commitment to games is shining through in their GaaS strategy. They already have Destiny by way of investment.

Next up are Concord, Fairgame$, and Marathon.
 

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It's amazing how some people now want to pretend like Xbox doesn't exist....

...but in doing so just prove how irrelevant the brand is now in console.

Yet these same people don't want to ask why or how it became irrelevant because they know some of those answers practically state stuff PlayStation is doing right now.
We know why. No 1st party support from the second half of the 360 era. No console/genre/generation defining games since then.

GP just killed any hope the brand had because it devalued everything the consoles had. Phil sold the idea of huge growth and none of it panned out. In fact, not a single one of their strategies worked.

I know where this is going. PC and Sony too. Xbox started dying long before PC releases.

Even with no excellent games, day one pc releases for all 1st party games, Xone still sold close to 60 million units last gen.

Compared to other things they did, PC releases had much less impact than you make them out to have had.

Sony isn't going to be impacted by releasing games after 2 years. That's just twitter wars ammo. The general public neither knows or cares about it. They're not gonna build a $1000 PC (minimum) to play their games 2 years later.

A 2 year delay on PC releases won't harm PS. What will harm them are botched situations like the HD2 one and potentially day 1 releases for all their games. That's when it not only impacts them as a company but us as consumers as well.
 
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PC ports just hurt your feelings guys. Thats all there is to it. Don't use them to explain why Xbox is doing like crap and could never win a console generation. Xbox wasn't this juggernaut that started going to hell when Gears of War Ultimate edition was launched out of nowhere on PC, or when play anywhere was announced.

Xbox could never dominate because:

1 - Way too murrican/five eyes oriented: It should come on 3 models, one with a bald eagle skin, other with George Washington riding a nuke and other with Ted Nugent dual wielding shotguns dressed in stars and stripes clothing. The US is the greatest video game market but all that completely alienated the rest of the world. On the xbox one presentation, the focus on showing TV TV TV how you could see NFL/MLB from your xbox one sent the message to ROW customers that they were going to be treated like an afterthought again.

2 - Getting late to many markets: The OG xbox had no worldwide presence. The 360 was better but not enough. Some markets where Sony was set since the late ps1 or ps2 days only had official MS support and representation in the late 360 generation. That gave Sony between 2 and 2.5 generations of advantage to dominate.

3 - RROD killing momentum and trust: If I were a 360 customer and faced several issues related to RROD, no way in hell I buy a MS console again. I don't care if you release Half Life 2 level exclusive games on a quarterly basis. YLOD was an issue but not as prevalent.

4 - Paid online while PS3 had not: No way you can get huge marketshare from Sony when your console has an additional paywall (and remember that the xbox live paywall was way stricter in the past, you couldn't watch netflix on the 360 if you didn't pay for xbox live, you couldn't play F2P games without paying for the sub either) Also, that was the first generation when online playing became a staple on consoles. Many PS2 pirates went with the PS3 even if it couldn't be hacked as easily as a 360 because it had free online and started buying games.

5 - Gradually less emphasis on games since the kinect days: Sony has showed time and time again that its better to end a generation in a spectacular fashion than to start it. MS end of the 360 lifecycle was disappointing while Sony ended up with a bang, specially in 2013.

6 - E3 2013 shitshow and Kinect no one wanted.

Then, and only then you can start mentioning stuff like Day 1 gamepass releases and Play anywhere. But not as relevant as the points I raised above.
 

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PC is the greatest threat to PlayStation outside of weak and anti-gaming leadership. Of course only people with an agenda against consoles will keep pushing this PC isn't doing harm to PlayStation narrative.

You can't have a premium brand if you are diluting it by catering to the worst demo of gamers who don't even like buying full priced software and believes they are entitled to everything without wanting to pay for it.

I'm sure Apple could potentially challenge Whatsapp with iMessage but they know better than to open that up to everyone because it's takes away from their product value.

Jus like PlayStation no longer being able to say "ONLY ON PLAYSTATION" has severely diminished their brand prestige and value.

Nintendo knows this and so they keep everything locked down. You wanna play Zelda? Come to US. We aren't coming to you, just so y'all can tell us our games aren't worth full price lmao. Or they are too good to make a simple account to access our games on servers Sony are paying for.
 
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PC is the greatest threat to PlayStation outside of weak and anti-gaming leadership. Of course only people with an agenda against consoles will keep pushing this PC isn't doing harm to PlayStation narrative.
Yeah, only have a PC for emulation. So what exactly is my agenda as someone who plays almost exclusively on consoles, 90% of the time on PS? Why is everything an agenda?

That's exactly the reason I left reddit. Either blind faith or constant doom and gloom. And the only argument I get here is "because it killed xbox", with no hard data and exclusion of other many other factors.
 

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Yeah, only have a PC for emulation. So what exactly is my agenda as someone who plays almost exclusively on consoles, 90% of the time on PS? Why is everything an agenda?

That's exactly the reason I left reddit. Either blind faith or constant doom and gloom. And the only argument I get here is "because it killed xbox", with no hard data and exclusion of other many other factors.
So if you don't have an agenda and game mostly on consoles why are you so insistent on wanting PlayStation to keep porting their games to an ecosystem that isn't even supporting 80% of their releases?

You view everything as doom and gloom. Sorry, the gaming industry currently is in a constant dark place, do you want people to just hand wave away everything?

Sony has never faced such endless PR nightmares until they started porting to PC... Even the prestigious The Last Of Us IP took a beating because of it.

What is the upside for PC ports? They aren't even recouping the budgets for most games.
 

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Xbox is the cautionary tale for what happens when you give away the crown jewels for short term profit.

See how vague and indescript your argument is?

There is this lazy argument that putting games on PC hurt Xbox. I think PC Day 1 on GamePass might have hurt Xbox, but just being on PC? Certainly not.

Are there any games you can point to that were massively successful on PC that detracted from Xbox? You can't because there haven't been. Microsoft has been unable to produce system sellers or 3rd party exclusives that sell the xbox since the late days of the Xbox 360.

It's like saying that a man left his house and got into a car accident, so no one should leave their home. Ignoring any reasons he actually got into an accident.
 
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