Can we do It, Sonybros?

[Yurinka]

The game is not 10 years old. Full remake, new release came out today October 4th 2024. Supermassive already got paid 10 years ago, this is new.

Don't try to be sneaky. Silent Hill 2 is coming out next week from Bloober. Is that the same game from Team Silent 20 years ago? No, so don't play dumb with Until Dawn. It's a flop.

Until Dawn was released late August 2015, it's so over 9 years old. They refurbished for the next gen and made a few changes, but it's mostly the same and looks better but mostly the same because there's only one generation of difference. Many people complained saying it wasn't needed because it's from the previous generation.

Silent Hill 2 doesn't have only a generation of difference, it has 3 generations of difference. Silent Hill 2 was released 23 years ago, so the difference versus the original one is obviously noticiably larger. It doesn't feel that it's the same game refurbished a generation later.

 

[Gods&Monsters]

Until Dawn was released late August 2015, it's so over 9 years old. They refurbished for the next gen and made a few changes, but it's mostly the same and looks better but mostly the same because there's only one generation of difference. Many people complained saying it wasn't needed because it's from the previous generation.

Silent Hill 2 doesn't have only a generation of difference, it has 3 generations of difference. Silent Hill 2 was released 23 years ago, so the difference versus the original one is obviously noticiably larger. It doesn't feel that it's the same game refurbished a generation later.

Damage control. The only difference is this one is Sony and the other is Konami so you have to do twists and turns for Sony because you can't admit it's flopping bad. Embarrassing.

I bet the Until Dawn remake cost more than Silent Hill even. 100% sure.

 

[Yurinka]

Damage control. The only difference is this one is Sony and the other is Konami so you have to do twists and turns for Sony because you can't admit it's flopping bad. Embarrassing.

We have no idea of its sales, cost, goals and sales expectations. So we can't know if it tanked or not. In fact we're in launch day, so not even Sony knows if it will tank or not because it's too early.

You say it tanked just because you hate Sony and hate to see them publishing stuff in PC, to the point you even reject to believe Sony's reports about their PC sales and revenue, even claiming Sony's numbers are fake, as if they had any reason to lie to their investors and workers. Which is pretty ridiculous.

I bet the Until Dawn remake cost more than Silent Hill even. 100% sure.

In Until Dawn they did use a new engine, remade some stuff and added things, but many other things could be the same (assets/animations/mocap/voiceover...) with improvements on top. Not the typical remaster, it has more work on it, but still can rehash many things. And well, many people worked in the previous version so they are familiar with how everything works.

Not the same for SH2, they can't rehash PS2 games and had to redo everything from scratch. And are a different team. So in that part SH2 would need more work.

Then, being a Sony game means more budget than being a Konami game in support/corporate tasks: stuff like cutscenes/cinematics/support teams/marketing/etc. has a bigger profile and bigger budget by default.

Then, the lead dev team are ex-Deviation devs from UK in one side who come from making several AAA games. That team must be more expensive than a Polish team who made some AA games.

So I don't know, but maybe yes, Until Dawn remake may be more expensive than SH2.

 

[Gods&Monsters]

So I don't know, but maybe yes, Until Dawn remake may be more expensive than SH2.

That's all you needed to say so yes Sony is losing money with this remake. I have no need to be on Sony board and look at their financials to know.

Use basic math. They are not breaking even on this. Never. It's a write-off.

 

[Shadow2027]

If not Helldivers 2 success they would probably already thinking about dropping their pc initiative.

I mean its always been evident to me that PC crowd leans so heavily towards multiplayer, coop and live service games. No one ever is playing the single player stuff outside bethesda

 

[Muddasar]

That's all you needed to say so yes Sony is losing money with this remake. I have no need to be on Sony board and look at their financials to know.

Use basic math. They are not breaking even on this. Never. It's a write-off.

Sony are deluded and have a high opinion of themselves.

They would have been better simply tweaking the original and releasing it.

 

[Yurinka]

That's all you needed to say so yes Sony is losing money with this remake. I have no need to be on Sony board and look at their financials to know.

Use basic math. They are not breaking even on this. Never. It's a write-off.

It's dumb to take any conclussions just a few hours after release and only having early CCUs as reference and nothing from the PS5 version.

Specially when it's a 10 years old game being sold at $60 and that sold 4M in PS4 and that even Sackboy PC port (even if isn't a remake or remaster, so way cheaper) must be profitable.

They started to shoot the Until Dawn movie in August, so may be premiered next year, around when the remake may be price cutted, pumping its sales and getting a further bump thanks to the movie if the movie performs well. Firesprite has been working on their horror adventure for a while, so who knows if it's the sequel and if may also be released next year.

Meaning, pretty likely they expect to sell the units in the long term, maybe more than already is common in pc. Specially when being a previous gen game refurbished and being sold at full price, with that pricing is clear they don't expect to focus their sales at launch. Pretty likely their strategy is to spread sales over time and have a synergy with the movie once heavily discounted. And who knows if with its -in case it exists- sequel too.

Sony are deluded and have a high opinion of themselves.

Looking at the KPI metrics they share every quarter, they objectively have reasons to have a high opinion of themselves.

 

[Gods&Monsters]

It's dumb to take any conclussions just a few hours after release and only having early CCUs as reference and nothing from the PS5 version.

Specially when it's a 10 years old game being sold at $60 and that sold 4M in PS4 and that even Sackboy PC port (even if isn't a remake or remaster, so way cheaper) must be profitable.

Why do you bring up the PS5 version? Multiplats come out everyday on Steam. If it's low, it's low. We don't bring up the Switch or Xbox version as if that makes it more profitable. Sony goes 3rd-party so they are treated like everyone else.

And you're not fooling anyone with this "refurbished" talk. It's not a 10 years old game. They had to negotiate a full budget before greenlighting it and they priced it full-price like a new release. It's a full game, full price, new platform, new studio, new engine from the ground up. UK devs so super expensive and it's flopping badly and tarnishing their legacy in a terrible PR year.

Might be the lowest-selling AAA of the year after Concord

 

[Exicide]

Why do you bring up the PS5 version? Multiplats come out everyday on Steam. If it's low, it's low. We don't bring up the Switch or Xbox version as if that makes it more profitable. Sony goes 3rd-party so they are treated like everyone else.

And you're not fooling anyone with this "refurbished" talk. It's not a 10 years old game. They had to negotiate a full budget before greenlighting it and they priced it full-price like a new release. It's a full game, full price, new platform, new studio, new engine from the ground up. UK devs so super expensive and it's flopping badly and tarnishing their legacy in a terrible PR year.

Might be the lowest-selling AAA of the year after Concord

Ths PS5 version is being brought up because it's covering all grounds, this game is going to flop everywhere and it's because no one was asking for it.

It is a refurbished game being sold at full price, it offers nothing new, the average consumer doesn't give a fuck if its a new studio, the engine is UE5, not new. It's the same damn game as you would have gotten it in 2015. It is not worth $60 USD and the hype for that game has always felt like an industry plant. It only sold 4M when it released.

The game was never that good to begin with, that's why it's a waste of time, no one asked for this to be made.

You know what actually has been asking to be remastered or ported for the same amount of time? Say it with me!

 BLOODBORNE

 

[Muddasar]

Ths PS5 version is being brought up because it's covering all grounds, this game is going to flop everywhere and it's because no one was asking for it.

It is a refurbished game being sold at full price, it offers nothing new, the average consumer doesn't give a fuck if its a new studio, the engine is UE5, not new. It's the same damn game as you would have gotten it in 2015. It is not worth $60 USD and the hype for that game has always felt like an industry plant. It only sold 4M when it released.

The game was never that good to begin with, that's why it's a waste of time, no one asked for this to be made.

You know what actually has been asking to be remastered or ported for the same amount of time? Say it with me!

 BLOODBORNE

That only applies to Playstation and PlayStation gamers.

Not sure why you as a PC gamer are using this as an excuse for shit sales.

Until Dawn never released for the PC.

Playstation gamers had bought and played it for the last decade.

Oh again like clockwork the usual Bloodborne begging. Playstation needs a Bloodborne remake.

Not PC. You deserve shit all after the shit sales and drama you have created.

Aren’t even willing to login to a PSN account.

Entitled brats.

 

[Exicide]

That only applies to Playstation and PlayStation gamers.

Not sure why you as a PC gamer are using this as an excuse for shit sales.

Until Dawn never released for the PC.

Playstation gamers had bought and played it for the last decade.

Oh again like clockwork the usual Bloodborne begging. Playstation needs a Bloodborne remake.

Not PC. You deserve shit all after the shit sales and drama you have created.

Aren’t even willing to login to a PSN account.

Entitled brats.

Unironically what are you even talking about?

If you read up you'll understand how my reply makes sense. This game isn't worth $60 USD and it only sold 4M on its original release in 2015, the game is not popular, who cares if it wasn't on PC, you think people who bought it back then are gonna double dip now? Hell no they aren't.

I haven't created any drama, I have a PSN account, I have HAD one for several years, I don't think you even understand who I am.

Quit pointing fingers at me simply because I'm on PC and you think its a hivemind when I can still talk about actual points, Until Dawn is mid, it didn't need a remake. No one was asking for it.

 

[Muddasar]

Unironically what are you even talking about?

If you read up you'll understand how my reply makes sense. This game isn't worth $60 USD and it only sold 4M on its original release in 2015, the game is not popular, who cares if it wasn't on PC, you think people who bought it back then are gonna double dip now? Hell no they aren't.

I haven't created any drama, I have a PSN account, I have HAD one for several years, I don't think you even understand who I am.

Quit pointing fingers at me simply because I'm on PC and you think its a hivemind when I can still talk about actual points, Until Dawn is mid, it didn't need a remake. No one was asking for it.

Does not apply to you as a PC gamer.

Again stop trying to apply a Playstation gamers reasoning to yourself.

It’s ridiculous.

4 million isn’t a small number especially coming from a PC gamer.

Bet you think the peanut sales Sony is getting on PC are worthwhile.

It is NOT MID. In fact it is the best Supermassive Game of them all.

 

[Exicide]

Does not apply to you as a PC gamer.

Again stop trying to apply a Playstation gamers reasoning to yourself.

It’s ridiculous.

4 million isn’t a small number especially coming from a PC gamer.

Bet you think the peanut sales Sony is getting on PC are worthwhile.

It is NOT MID. In fact it is the best Supermassive Game of them all.

the best supermassive game of them all yet it only sold 4 million, okay. No need to glaze that hard.

It does apply to me because I've seen the entire game already, I didn't care to play it, and I don't care to play it even now, it's the same thing as you got it in 2015, they legit took the soul out of it as well with the stupid over-the-shoulder camera they gave it.

4 million is small on PC, here is why, here's the single-player games that sold the best on PC, taken from another thread I posted it in.

Euro Truck Simulator 2 sold ~15 million on PC before MP was added.
Witcher 3: Wild Hunt sold 12 million on PC.
The Sims sold ~11 million on PC.
RollerCoaster Tycoon 3 sold ~10 million on PC.
Cyberpunk 2077 sold ~7.67 million on PC/Stadia by April 2021. (the latter the lesser)
Sims 3 sold ~7 million on PC.
Sims 2 sold ~6 million on PC.
Cities: Skylines sold ~6 million on PC.

Sony would see a bunch more money if they stop fucking around and do what people actually want, if they want to keep remaking or remastering, how about Resistance, Killzone, Bloodborne, or Infamous remakes. You know, shit that people actually want?

 

[Muddasar]

the best supermassive game of them all yet it only sold 4 million, okay. No need to glaze that hard.

It does apply to me because I've seen the entire game already, I didn't care to play it, and I don't care to play it even now, it's the same thing as you got it in 2015, they legit took the soul out of it as well with the stupid over-the-shoulder camera they gave it.

4 million is small on PC, here is why, here's the single-player games that sold the best on PC, taken from another thread I posted it in.

Euro Truck Simulator 2 sold ~15 million on PC before MP was added.
Witcher 3: Wild Hunt sold 12 million on PC.
The Sims sold ~11 million on PC.
RollerCoaster Tycoon 3 sold ~10 million on PC.
Cyberpunk 2077 sold ~7.67 million on PC/Stadia by April 2021. (the latter the lesser)
Sims 3 sold ~7 million on PC.
Sims 2 sold ~6 million on PC.
Cities: Skylines sold ~6 million on PC.

Sony would see a bunch more money if they stop fucking around and do what people actually want, if they want to keep remaking or remastering, how about Resistance, Killzone, Bloodborne, or Infamous remakes. You know, shit that people actually want?

Honestly you sound like a broken record with your excuses.

Until Dawn sold 4 million on Playstation. How much has it done with the 2000 CCU on Steam?

Sony has released almost its entire library on PC.

99% sold peanuts. Paling in comparison to Playstation sales including Until Dawn.

Give it a rest with your begging of other Sony games. They won’t be any different.

Sony should not release their games on PC.

 

[Exicide]

Honestly you sound like a broken record with your excuses.

Until Dawn sold 4 million on Playstation. How much has it done with the 2000 CCU on Steam?

Sony has released almost its entire library on PC.

99% sold peanuts. Paling in comparison to Playstation sales including Until Dawn.

Give it a rest with your begging of other Sony games. They won’t be any different.

Sony should not release their games on PC.

it sold 4 million when it came out, that game is not that popular. I'm not surprised its doing awful on Steam, and what are you yapping about CCU for, CCU is nothing.

Not really, only in your eyes have they done that.

PlayStation obviously sees something successful so they're gonna continue doing so and they're not gonna stop just because the tribe isn't getting mad about it.

 

[akira__]

I have a PSN account, I have HAD one for several years, I don't think you even understand who I am.

Quit pointing fingers at me simply because I'm on PC and you think its a hivemind

Clearly, this man is not a PC hivemind PCMR. He has a PSN account, for several years no less. For crying out loud people.
Acquit him immediately of any such treasonous allegations.
Think of the trials and tribulations he had to endure to acquire his PSN account. And yet some are still pointing fingers at him?
Not on my watch!

 

[Exicide]

Clearly, this man is not a PC hivemind PCMR. He has a PSN account, for several years no less. For crying out loud people.
Acquit him immediately of any such treasonous allegations.
Think of the trials and tribulations he had to endure to acquire his PSN account. And yet some are still pointing fingers at him?
Not on my watch!

my current account was made in 2013, I had another one before that but I lost my login information back then.

You act like I recently made an account and have never been a part of PSN, my guy I was there when PS Home was a big thing for PlayStation, and even before that. I distinctly remember hanging out with friends at the bowling alley, the mall, the weird zombie maze that I can't remember for the life of me, the SOCOM world, and the Silent Hill experience. I am nowhere near a hivemind for commenting on the reality of the situation regarding PlayStation. They clearly want to keep porting to PC, they see no problems with it.

 

[akira__]

They clearly want to keep porting to PC, they see no problems with it.

You seem very concerned about PlayStation's strategy, and you very well could be. You do, after all, have a PSN account, and let's not forget for multiple years already.

But one question lingers: Since your platform of choice is PC, why would you be so concerned with PlayStation's strategy of porting games to PC?