i can't see PS6 selling 100M+ with Sony putting singleplayer games on PC

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I do not deny this.

The XONE managed to sell relatively well, thanks to exclusive and good games, as well as the reputation of the X360.

That was BEFORE the PC odyssey.

After it started, sales plummeted, and that's taking into consideration the numerous discounts MS used to try to boost sales.
they had the reputation of 360 and exclusive games for 3/4 years during that gen, that's why it sold relatively well, and sales started to plummeted in 2016 after the PC ports, that's why i show concerns about the future of PlayStation, it seems like they're only looking at the short term profits without looking at the long term implications it'll have on their hardware sales
 

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Another thing PC port supporters need to explain, is Nintendo just stupid for not following the same path as Xbox and PlayStation?

also, if PS consoles fall, don't think you'll keep receiving singleplayer games on PC, cause they won't exist anymore, they won't be viable to make
This is the point most naive people don't understand. I'm a PC player and I'm fine playing on PC but I know that these Sony games I like (as well as many other games not made by Sony) wouldn't even be made without PlayStation.
 

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they had the reputation of 360 and exclusive games for 3/4 years during that gen, that's why it sold relatively well, and sales started to plummeted in 2016 after the PC ports, that's why i show concerns about the future of PlayStation, it seems like they're only looking at the short term profits without looking at the long term implications it'll have on their hardware sales
That's exactly what I said)
 
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PS consoles won't fail. A console that sells 80M+ can't be perceived as a failure. Specially as they will take some of the Xbox userbase in case they don't continue in business, while others migrate to PC.
they will, they're already failing, PS5 is not being able to surpass the PS4 despite avaliability, if the console sells 40M less (80M) the games won't sell 10 - 20M units, so it will become unviable to make games like Spiderman 2 that cost 300M dollars, they need 100M+ and even with 100M+ they have the risk of not being able to produce these games if the budgets keep increasing to 400/500M in the next generation, singleplayer games as we know will cease to exist if that's the case.
 
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This is the point most naive people don't understand. I'm a PC player and I'm fine playing on PC but I know that these Sony games I like (as well as many other games not made by Sony) wouldn't even be made without PlayStation.
they wouldn't exist, the whole reason PS first party started being this aggressive was the PS3 generation, and they managed to win that generation thanks to games like The Last Of Us and Uncharted
 
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That's exactly what I said)
yeah, and the implications it'll have on PS hardware will start to show in the next generation like i said, by PS6 gen, everything PS5 will be playable on PC, there won't be incentives in the back catalog to make people purchase a PS6 instead of a Steam Deck 2 for example, it'll be just another generic platform to play games on, like Xbox
 
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they wouldn't exist, the whole reason PS first party started being this aggressive was the PS3 generation, and they managed to win that generation thanks to games like The Last Of Us and Uncharted
The only reason I'm into PlayStation, I didn't actually have a PS1 or PS2. I was a dissatisfied 360 owner and PC player that saw the value in the PlayStation 3 due to their many quality truly exclusive games.

I had everything to be a PC master elitist idiot like the many we see around that feel entitled to ports of every game showing up on PC, but only fools were unable to see how games like The Last of Us, Uncharted, God of War, Bloodborne, Heavy Rain, Until Dawn, Demon's Souls were able to set PlayStation apart and only existed because of PlayStation and the incentive they had to produce these type of games.

I was completely satisfied and not a doomer for over 10 years.
 
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The only reason I'm into PlayStation, I didn't actually have a PS1 or PS2. I was a satisfied 360 owner and PC player that saw the value in the PlayStation 3 due to their many quality truly exclusive games.

I had everything to be a PC master elitist but only fools were unable to see how games like The Last of Us, Uncharted, God of War, Persona, Bloodborne, Demon's Souls were able to set PlayStation apart.

I was completely satisfied and not a doomer for over 10 years.
i bought a PS4 because of the exclusives too, that's why i show concerns, i know just like me, there's millions that buy consoles because of exclusive games
 
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I think 90m -100m PS console to sell every gen is guaranteed. Sony needs to screw up on Xbox level, therefore I doubt they will sell only 60m. PlayStation is too strong as brand to sell only 60-70m. Imo 85-100m is the bare minimum.
 
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Xone, with no exclusive games (Day 1 PC releases) and no great games, sold almost 60 million. What is it with these threads?

It did have exclusive games tho. Ryse, Forza Horizon 3, Dead Rising 3 etc. to say a few examples. And while MS was pushing more Day 1 post-2016, it was a gradual build-up for the following four years and with most of their PC stuff prior to 2020 being exclusive to their "niche" Windows/Microsoft store (which wasn't as corrosive to the console since it was way smaller than Steam AND Microsoft still owned the Windows Store).

Also of course XBO had good games; Forza Horizon, Halo 5, Cuphead, Ori & Ori 2, TitanFall...even stuff like Ryse and Dead Rising 3 were good and XBO had a better lineup of exclusives early on than PS4. Not to mention, most of the big 3P games that gen still got XBO ports, and it got certain big Japanese 3P versions Day 1 like Final Fantasy XV.

This idea that Day 1 PC was the sole or single-largest reason for Xbox's console decline, or something that was in effect at a wide scale for all of its latter life when they only started doing it for all games AND putting their games on Steam in 2020, is nonsensical. If anything, I'd say Xbox Series are finally showing the market collapse of, among other things, Day 1 on a competing PC platform like Steam for all games, which coincidentally went into effect right before the new generation launched.

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As for the OP...I agree. In terms of the sales outlook, not that PlayStation would die with "only" 70/80 million lifetime sales though. They would manage with that.

With the current strategy, Sony will probably "only" get around 80 - 90 million in lifetime sales. Which actually isn't that bad, but it also assumes they still keep getting big 3P exclusives (feels less and less of a pursuable strategy at least the way they've done it with games like FF VII Remake or the such), their 1P maintains high quality across the board, their release schedule doesn't slow down even more, and they get something like a GTA5 next gen (or at least something like a Hogwarts Legacy or Elden Ring EVERY year for the 10th gen, which isn't realistic).

More likely, Sony'll probably push for even shorter stagger windows to PC, maybe even Day 1 for all games. Even if exclusive to their own launcher, that'd probably cut down total console lifetime sales by another 5 million. But if that also extends to Steam? I can definitely see PS6 lifetime sales landing closer to 70 - 80 million. Which again, maybe doesn't look that much worst than 80-90 million, but guess what? The revenue and profits they'd get out of that 70-80 million would be exponentially less than the 80-90 million.

At the pace things are going, it's very likely Xbox Series will struggle to hit 40 - 45 million lifetime and that is with their gen going through to 2027. Considering the PS4/XBO gen was roughly 2:1 in favor of PlayStation, if SIE go down the same path as Microsoft, I can see 70 - 80 million PS6 lifetime as realistic.
 
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Most reasonable people wouldn't buy themselves a gaming PC that has the same performance experience as a modern PlayStation due to cost (unless it makes sense for their job). Most people won't buy that for their kids. PlayStation 6 will sell just as well as the PlayStation 5, especially if Xbox continues in its direction.
 

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Xone, with no exclusive games (Day 1 PC releases) and no great games, sold almost 60 million. What is it with these threads?
That was the truth Xbox 360 install base. Tho....when you deduce the Kinect and RROD bloat.
 

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The PS5 will struggle to get to 100 million so... Yeah
Not really, they are close to 60m sold PS5, and we are at 3.5 years in PS5 generation. If they continue to sell the PS5 for another 3-4 years they will easily reach the 100m. Remember not everyone wants a PC. I had before the PS5, build up a PC with a RTX 2080 ti and I sold it after just 4 months use. Didn't feel comfortable to me and I say that as System Engineer.
 
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I think 90m -100m PS console to sell every gen is guaranteed. Sony needs to screw up on Xbox level, therefore I doubt they will sell only 60m. PlayStation is too strong as brand to sell only 60-70m. Imo 85-100m is the bare minimum.
i think 70/80M for PS6, but by then Cloud Gaming will be avaliable everywhere, they would probably be day and date with PC... so yeah
 

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they will, they're already failing, PS5 is not being able to surpass the PS4 despite avaliability, if the console sells 40M less (80M) the games won't sell 10 - 20M units, so it will become unviable to make games like Spiderman 2 that cost 300M dollars, they need 100M+ and even with 100M+ they have the risk of not being able to produce these games if the budgets keep increasing to 400/500M in the next generation, singleplayer games as we know will cease to exist if that's the case.

Thats because PS customers don't buy that many games. Little over 8 per generation, which is 1 per year on average.

If PS fails, PS users are to blame first and foremost. Why do you think Sony is looking for money elsewhere?
 
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