I gave a precedent that is close enough taking into consideration that Nintendo was coming off the Wii U disaster - to illustrate the point. Now you’re pulling the “technically speaking”…. Sftu. And that is what I mean by intellectual dishonesty.
That number didn’t even take into account the full year of sales for the Switch. That performance perfectly illustrates that it’s possible to reach a 150m sell in in 6 years if market conditions, the state of the competition, production capacity and consumer demand allow.
It’s perfectly feasible and you’re refusing to acknowledge that because you rather stick to your contrarian narrative like a baby.
You jumped on that point as your first reply to me in this thread thinking you had found a low hanging fruit to poke me with cause you've been licking your wounds from previous encounters and trying to find an opportunity to strike back - and now you’re running in fumes - again. So yes, my read on you is picture perfect and on point – specially your underlying motivations. Deny it all you want. Folks will make up their own mind.
You were asking the PS5 to achieve 150M in 5-6 years. Which would be to almost outsell the LTD sales of the best selling home console ever achieving it in half of the time. Something nonsensical, as I pointed out, specially because Sony couldn't produce more consoles due to the chips shortage.
Sonething that as good gaming flatearther you denied to exist and claimed instead that if they didn't sell more is because of their management's fault because of potatoes.
As always, ignoring all facts that show the reality and providing zero facts to prove or back your points, like that Sony was able to ship 150M consoles in 5-6 years and that if they didn't do it was because of bad management planning and stuff like that.
And yes, the 132M Switch sales number it's the most recent official one we have, until September 30th, 2023. And since it was released in March 2017 it's 6 years and a half of sales as I said.
When you’re intellectually dishonest I will call it out, when you make points that are idiotic, I will call it out as I see it. Get your panties in a bunch, call the mods, call the president, it’s what it’s.
Ignore the evidence, stick to narrative, repeat, don’t budge, don’t compromise. Pass – idiotic. Folks will make up their own mind on the previous articulated point in previous post. Nothing is being added here.
I'm the one who posted the evidences of the sales of the previous consoles, the time it took PS2 to achieve 150M, the current Switch sales+time since release and the PS+XB combined sales each generation (during all their generation, not only 5-6 years).
All these evidences show that no console was able to achieve 150M in 5-6 years and that PS5 would need to increase the PS+XB market beyond the size it had the previous generations to end selling 150M (at the end of its generation so over 10 years, not it 5-6M).
You're the one who reject them and posted absolutely zero evindences that show that they could have achieved it.
Same goes with the reasons of why they didn't ship more consoles: we have plenty of evidence showing it was due to lack of components to manufacture more and I posted some. You're the one not accepting these facts and say that instead they didn't ship more because of poor management planning and so on because of potatoes, not providing a single factual evidence to prove it's the case.
Again mischaracterizing the argument, and sticking to the narrative. The problem is not that there was just simply a chip shortage, the problem is that devoid of a chip shortage Sony was still underestimating demand, and their production capacity was not there to meet the demand, chip shortage or no chip shortage. There is plenty of evidence to suggest that – and can be easily discerned by a well trained eye. The chip shortage simply compounded the problem. Again nothing new added. Keep running on fumes.
I'm sticking to the facts, not to any narrative. You are sticking to fantasy land theories backed by nothing and that goes against the available factual evidences we have. We all know that PS5 and many other tech products had supply issues do to the lack of chips/components that prevented them to be able to produce more because they knew -because said it many times and everybody saw the super quick sold outs- that there was a bigger demand now and you don't accept it.
In fact, Sony estimated that they will ship 25M consoles this year, and many think looking at the available sales until now that they won't be able achieve it even if now they are no longer supply constrained by the chips shortage. The opposite of underestimating the demand.
- Multiple supplier sourcing mitigation (in after the fact appraisal).
- Ongoing logistical innovations (in after the fact appraisal).
Those bulletpoints reinforce my read, not yours but finally one Sony graph shows up, straight from the arguing online folder. Sooner or later had to make an appearance. Obviously same result.
These point are exactly what I said before, that they weren't able to ship more consoles because of lack of components, and after the chips shortage was over they diversified their suppliers and adapted their factories to use components from more suppliers in their consoles to maximize the consoles they can make and to reduce the risk of suffering the component shortage again in the future.
Your read was instead to reject the lack of chips as the reason for not selling more, and instead to blame their management skills, planning, etc.
What fact fool? You said nothing with those comments, literally nothing, except trying to push a false premise and instill reader doubt suggesting that because we don’t know the exact overlap between Xbox and PlayStation users (never being 1:1) we can’t be sure if 150 million is reachable.
I see that you keep insulting. Last time I reply to you, I'll add you to the ignore list.
In these numbers I shown the more or less stable combined sales of PS+XB sales every generation. An amount of sales that if removing the already XB Series units sold and assuming that starting tomorrow XB won't sell more consoles, PS5 would to grow that submarket to reach 150M and would do it at the end of the gener
That was a dumbass take, and naturally I embarrassed you for it. As I said, for that portion of the commentary, simply sftu, you don’t know what you’re talking about. I think the bullshit metter climbs higher every time you type “facts”. The more you run on fumes, the higher proportion of the usage of the word “facts”.
“I got the facts. You don’t like the facts. I refute with facts. Facts, facts, facts.” Poor fella.
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By your own admission. What has changed from those generations except the market split between Xbox and PS? The combined addressable is more or less constant while the split oscillates based on generation/market performance by the consoles in question (Xbox/PS), and we’re talking about two direct competitors, the most direct in this industry.
Your little attempt at sowing doubt was simply called out, and now you’re pissing about. Next.
Wait we’re saying goodbye’s?
Respect is earned. Being an intellectually dishonest narrative pushing fanboy will never get respect. Now you can toy with other low IQ posters on this site and carry them for a ride, tire them out etc (in effect troll them in a sick ego exercise) but you should know there are some that simply won’t fall for that. I’ve done the work many times over. Everyone on the know knows. Keep crying.
I you think you can get an easy low hanging fruit on me, rethink twice before posting. Otherwise you end with this.
I shown that the total sales of PS+XB each generation have been 170-180M, so seem complicated to expand it. As of June 2023 Series already sold 21M units according to MS (in almost 3 years, not in all the generation) and will continue selling the rest of the generation, leaving less than 150M for PS5, who would have a hard time to achieve 150M at the end of their lifecycle, more than 10 years for PS consoles. So it's impossible to achieve it in 5-6 years.
As I said to achieve 150M at the end of its generation would be possible but very difficult (in 5-6 is nonsensical).
But to achieve it Sony would have to do it growing the submarket with players who are from outside PS+XB: players who liked some pc port or mobile game adaptation and later went to buy the console, or someone who liked a SIE IP movie/tv show and later went to buy the console, or someone who plays PS games via cloud gaming without owning the console and later goes to buy it, or some Asian player who gets appealed by some game that may result with Sony's partnership with Chinese or Korean devs and later end buying the console.
I think that from each one of these sources Sony will end getting many millions of players but specially for the long term: PS6 and beyond because many of these plans are just starting and will take many years to see results.
I think that from PS5 launch to discontinuation (maybe around 2031 or so) PS5 will get only a residual amount of new players for the PS+XB submarket from each source, maybe a combined 5M or being very optimistic 10-15M.
Having said that, I won't accept more insults so welcome my ignore list. I won't waste more time with you.
