Microsoft cautions developers to avoid curvy female characters

JAHGamer

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So no one is being censored, it's just more you are uncomfortable about the topic being discussed? I figure you would have more concrete examples otherwise.

What about that image am I supposed to be understanding?
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If nobody is being censored or pushed to add things to their games that are not coming from their creative drive why are they being subjected to oversight from the likes of Sweet Baby Inc?

Why do they need to consult with others about what should be their own outlet of self expression? Aren't they the so called creatives after all? Then we end up with completely shit games and people act surprised as if that came from nowhere.

Did Sweet Baby Inc write this guidelines? I guess I'm not seeing the connection.

If you are just talking in general terms of "corporations control what their employees create" then yes I guess you could consider that a type of censorship, but since that's not a new or unexpected issue. And that's more a separate problem than "men showing emotions is woke and a bad thing".
 

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Good thing I don't care about the "politics at play" then. I play video games to have fun and not to go and get angry on Internet forums and social medias when a game doesn't cater to me.

The one thing that I have seen is that some people are angry that the girl in GoW Ragnarok isn't white. Like, do these people not have better things to do during the day? Guess not.
But you are getting angry, at others. That’s not just playing games, your part of the loop
 

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So no one is being censored, it's just more you are uncomfortable about the topic being discussed? I figure you would have more concrete examples otherwise.

What about that image am I supposed to be understanding?
Censored as in required to follow a preset list of Puritan like requirements to suit a very specific ideology. See the issue is - once you allow creativity be built to a checklist of very specific rules and boundaries, the creativity is immediately compromised.
 
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Me: Talks about pre-colonial pre-roman empire (pre-slavery pretty much)
You: "during the Roman Empire"

Facts: There were black people in northern europe BEFORE roman times. Way before. Thousands of years ago.


These? Thanks for playing!


LOL Vikings weren't prehistoric. The conversation was about Angrboda in GoW Ragnarok.



I'm very ignorant as far as Orishas go, but if they don't have a defined skin tone, I personally would have zero issues with it i.e. idgaf.
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LOL Vikings weren't prehistoric. The conversation was about Angrboda in GoW Ragnarok.
Neither were the people that build Knowth in Ireland, which I have provided as an example as well. Facts are:
  • Black people existed in Europe during pre-roman times, including northern Europe;
  • Angrboða doesn't have her skin colour specified in the norse mythos - as most if not all jötunn and Æsir.
Press X to doubt.
You can doubt all you want, it speaks more about you than me.

Edit: I just remembered that some people called Baldur's Gate 3 "woke" and chuckled a bit.
 

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Did Sweet Baby Inc write this guidelines? I guess I'm not seeing the connection.

If you are just talking in general terms of "corporations control what their employees create" then yes I guess you could consider that a type of censorship, but since that's not a new or unexpected issue. And that's more a separate problem than "men showing emotions is woke and a bad thing".
Sweet Baby, MS executives going after DEI, to me it's pretty easy to see the connections.

As far as men showing emotions I don't know what you are talking about.

Anyway, enjoy all the shit tier games that are going to be produced by following these moronic guidelines.
 
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Sweet Baby, MS executives going after DEI, to me it's pretty easy to see the connections.

As far as men showing emotions I don't know what you are talking about.

Anyway, enjoy all the shit tier games that are going to be produced by following these moronic guidelines.
I think people are looking at this the wrong way

MS Executives seek companies like Sweet Baby Inc to provide them with a set of recommendations - not dissimilar from them seeking the help of the likes of Goldman Sachs for different subjects. Sweet Baby Inc provides them those recommendations, and they either follow or not.

Even though SBI is a shit tier disaster, people are blaming them for something they absolutely cannot control.
 
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I think people are looking at this the wrong way

MS Executives seek companies like Sweet Baby Inc to provide them with a set of recommendations - not dissimilar from them seeking the help of the likes of Goldman Sachs for different subjects. Sweet Baby Inc provides them those recommendations, and they either follow or not.

Even though SBI is a shit tier disaster, people are blaming them for something they absolutely cannot control.
My problem is with them seeking the likes of Sweet Baby Inc in the first place. If your writer needs this type of consulting he sucks ass and doesn't have his own voice.

I'm someone that has long defended new Drukman even tho I knew from that he was inspired by Anita Sarkeesian as far back as the first TLoU. But when the marching orders are coming from the top it completely changes it for me and becomes nothing but pure propaganda without any creative drive behind it.


Is DEI just the new "CRT" fear and uncertainty initialism? It's crazy how quickly propagandized terms flood conversations online. No way it's organic.
Running into this DEI / ESG stuff in real life because of work was a surreal experience. Here in Brazil it makes even less sense because people import the discourse from the US but it's poorly adapted. I don't understand who these companies are trying to impress.
 
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My problem is with them seeking the likes of Sweet Baby Inc in the first place. If you writer needs this type of consulting he sucks ass and doesn't have his own voice.
That's not how business works. Companies also have financial analysts and consult the likes of Goldman Sachs. Sony has Hardware Engineers (top tier ones) and yet consulted with Mark Cerny to create the PS5.

Writers consult with alpha and beta readers for their manuscripts for example. Many well known actors use these as well as producers to ensure what they have hits a certain demographic, or is good and engaging, or simply decent enough to not embarrass themselves.
 

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Censored as in required to follow a preset list of Puritan like requirements to suit a very specific ideology. See the issue is - once you allow creativity be built to a checklist of very specific rules and boundaries, the creativity is immediately compromised.

This isn't a new problem. It's the same reason why we don't see porn games on consoles.
 

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Censored as in required to follow a preset list of Puritan like requirements to suit a very specific ideology. See the issue is - once you allow creativity be built to a checklist of very specific rules and boundaries, the creativity is immediately compromised.
I knew we could agree on something. However, what you fail to understand is that these shit tier developers and / or consulting firms that create those checklists are in no way different to the people that are censoring books because they have gay characters, or denying science because of their religious beliefs. They are exactly the same turd with a different coating.
 

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That's not how business works. Companies also have financial analysts and consult the likes of Goldman Sachs. Sony has Hardware Engineers (top tier ones) and yet consulted with Mark Cerny to create the PS5.

Writers consult with alpha and beta readers for their manuscripts for example. Many well known actors use these as well as producers to ensure what they have hits a certain demographic, or is good and engaging, or simply decent enough to not embarrass themselves.
You are free to like it and I'm free to dislike it. I don't want to play games where people consulted with the likes of Sweet Baby Inc. I don't want to play pure propaganda or games corporate suits came up with to tick a box.

If you need consulting to be a decent enough person then you are beyond saving already and should not be a writer in the first place. Where de they keep finding all these morons that write for games anyway?

Who is Sweet Baby Inc consulting with? Their own farts?

This type of stuff is what leads to homogenization of entertainment and so many bad products.
 

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You are free to like it and I'm free to dislike it. I don't want to play games where people consulted with the likes of Sweet Baby Inc. I don't want to play propaganda.

So you will deny yourself from what is potentially a good game because some consulting firm was consulted for that game, regardless of their recommendations being used or not? God damn, you better not watch movies, shows, hell, play any games! Just stay home and never leave.
 

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So you will deny yourself from what is potentially a good game because some consulting firm was consulted for that game, regardless of their recommendations being used or not? God damn, you better not watch movies, shows, hell, play any games! Just stay home and never leave.
Yes. I have plenty of great games to play. I doubt From Software did any consulting with Sweet Baby Inc and if they ever do I'm out.

God of War Ragnarok for example is considerably weaker than the first game, in great part due to the much weaker writing.
 
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