Microsoft's acquisition of Activison Blizzard

[Dabaus]

The xbox acquisition cycle:

-Microsoft Acquires company
-Original vision and scope of project(s) changes
-Some middle management and lesser studio heads leave
-Game comes out, sales are non existent, doesnt increase gamepass numbers
-Studio Founders slowly leave one by one to get hired by another company or start their own studio
-Repeat

 

[Deleted member 417]

Well a quick Google of last gen gives me 58.6 vs 117.2 million. Pretty damn close to 1 to 2. Current gen is more like 1 to 1. So I am glad to see that you agree with me.

Current gen is nowhere near 1:1 and don't put words into my mouth.

What I meant by it not being a 1:2 game is, Microsoft isn't doing half as bad as Sony, it is doing exponentially worse. half of the sales doesn't mean half as popular. half of the sales for the second gen in a row means it is on life support.

 

[Jim Ryan]

 

[Zzero]

half of the sales doesn't mean half as popular.

Yeah, it fucking does, assuming there aren't supply limitations. And last gen there pretty much weren't.

 

[Cool hand luke]

That twitter thread breaks it down beautifully. Fortunately, it will be blocked by the CMA on the grounds already stated. The cloud SLC is even stronger than the console one, and Microsoft's antics are insufficient.

 

[Swift_Star]

Yep. This getting approved will make consolidation of the market much more likely which is the primary reason I want it blocked.

 

[Gods&Monsters]

No comments from the Japanese industry or the japan government about the latest attack against Sony?

Kojima should drop that cloud project with MS instead of posing for pictures. Idiot.

Jim Ryan is really fighting by himself

 

[Yobo]

No comments from the Japanese industry or the japan government about the latest attack against Sony?

Kojima should drop that cloud project with MS instead of posing for pictures. Idiot.

Jim Ryan is really fighting by himself

And so many put shit on Jim Ryan but he's the only one putting up a fight. We've got a war time CEO, not a kiss ass twitter poster CEO

 

[Yurinka]

He forgot to mention that PS/SIE has a multi year growth trend bigger than the sub 1% of their revenue that comes from ABK, meaning that even if PS loses the whole catalog of future and past ABK titles this growth would compensate it in less than a year:

 

[FatKaz]

@Yurinka how much shares do you own in atvi?

 

[Deleted member 417]

Yeah, it fucking does, assuming there aren't supply limitations. And last gen there pretty much weren't.

Lol, calm down.

Xbox sold 60 million consoles last year, mainly in one market. Playstation sold twice in many markets.

Therefore xbox is not half as popular as PlayStation.

PlayStation is popular world wide
Xbox is popular in murrica, cause murrica-box is best box.

 

[Gods&Monsters]

At least Shu is having fun

 

[Zzero]

Lol, calm down.

Xbox sold 60 million consoles last year, mainly in one market. Playstation sold twice in many markets.

Therefore xbox is not half as popular as PlayStation.

PlayStation is popular world wide
Xbox is popular in murrica, cause murrica-box is best box.

A sale is a sale no matter what market its in. You sound like an Xbox fan saying they won because Japanese sales "don't count." I'm sorry you think your Bulgarian Best Buy is the only game shop in the whole world and I am here to tell you that it isn't.

 

[Old Gamer]

A sale is a sale no matter what market its in. You sound like an Xbox fan saying they won because Japanese sales "don't count." I'm sorry you think your Bulgarian Best Buy is the only game shop in the whole world and I am here to tell you that it isn't.

I'm sorry if you think sales in America count more than sales anywhere else. They don't. Lack of sales in Europe or Japan is as bad as lack of sales in America. Just because it sells in your neighborhood, that doesn't mean it sells everywhere. Like you so eloquently put, a sale is a sale. It goes both ways.

 

[Deleted member 417]

A sale is a sale no matter what market its in. You sound like an Xbox fan saying they won because Japanese sales "don't count." I'm sorry you think your Bulgarian Best Buy is the only game shop in the whole world and I am here to tell you that it isn't.

A sale is a sale.

When one product receives the vast majority of its' sales in one tiny corner of the market, that doesn't make that product popular, it makes it niche. The console and gaming industry isn't just America or the West, it is World wide. In that WW market, xbox is vastly unpopular.

 

[Zzero]

It goes both ways.

It does, I opened my statement with saying that Playstation has twice the sales as Xbox and that is where my statement remains. Given near-identical price points, half sales equals half popularity.

 

[Zzero]

A sale is a sale.

When one product receives the vast majority of its' sales in one tiny corner of the market, that doesn't make that product popular, it makes it niche. The console and gaming industry isn't just America or the West, it is World wide. In that WW market, xbox is vastly unpopular.

America is the largest single "market" for games, if you break it out by country with something like one third of gaming dollars spent in it, alone. Saying that having the US/English speaking countries as your most successful markets makes something niche is ridiculous. Given that we have sales-data across all major markets we can establish world-wide popularity. The conclusion is that PS has twice the popularity as Xbox. That's not "vastly unpopular" at all unless you want to take into account the opinion of non-console buyers in which case neither system has popularity since there's 7 billion people and less than one in two hundred buys either. And your argument falls even further apart if we take into account the sales of current Nintendo ecosystems (just Switch, right now,) and it gets crushed into dust if we include PC and mobile sales-the main focal point of gaming in "Asia" and among super-casual players in the west.

 

[Deleted member 417]

America is the largest single "market" for games, if you break it out by country with something like one third of gaming dollars spent in it, alone. Saying that having the US/English speaking countries as your most successful markets makes something niche is ridiculous. Given that we have sales-data across all major markets we can establish world-wide popularity. The conclusion is that PS has twice the popularity as Xbox. That's not "vastly unpopular" at all unless you want to take into account the opinion of non-console buyers in which case neither system has popularity since there's 7 billion people and less than one in two hundred buys either. And your argument falls even further apart if we take into account the sales of current Nintendo ecosystems (just Switch, right now,) and it gets crushed into dust if we include PC and mobile sales-the main focal point of gaming in "Asia" and among super-casual players in the west.

Ackshually, if we take the data point of Tijuana Mexico on 3rd February 2022 - where no console were sold, we can see that the industry is dead. You can split it seven ways from sunday, Xbox is still unpopular.

Taken from Google: "The PlayStation 5 has sold 12.38 million units in the US in 27 months, while the Xbox Series X|S sold 9.97 million units."

It isn't getting outsold in in the largest single market for games because it's popular.

 

[Zzero]

It isn't getting outsold in in the largest single market for games because it's popular.

This convo opened with you saying that Xbox is "vastly, hugely unpopular" and it isn't. You just want it to be.

 

[Deleted member 417]

This convo opened with you saying that Xbox is "vastly, hugely unpopular" and it isn't. You just want it to be.

America is the largest single "market" for games

America is the only market where Xbox was popular - as in, of the general consensus of all console buyers of which hardware they prefer; Xbox, Playstation and Switch. It is now being outsold in its 'popular', home market by 2.5 million units, a year after having no stock and all data indicates that gap will continue to widen. Not exactly popular then, is it?

Compare those sales with Japan, the home of Sony. What's the split looking like there?

Xbox is dead in Europe and getting outsold 2:1 by a last gen console in Japan.