Why bother. Just put on ignore. It's intentionally being obtuse.
[Redfall] 70% of Arkane Austin have left the company - Jason Schreier
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I like to beat on dead horses, it's a hobby of mine.
No, I only have the prediction that 2 projects will have a hard time leaving the traditional model they had in the past and moving to GaaS for their only game because I know key staff left from both and that one of these studios cancelled 2 projects in recent years. Plus that in their same publisher had similar issues in other GaaS and non-GaaS studios and games.
I don't say these studios or their publisher/platform holder is doomed. Even if unlike Sony let's say they don't have a super profitable gaming business.
Totally unrelated to Sony's/ND's case. With the exception of Destruction All Stars, the other Sony GaaS have been very successful and Sony has their main focus on traditional games, in most cases of their upcoming GaaS are from teams with a top tier success in GaaS and in the cases that don't, they have the support of the top tier folks.
Regarding the specific ND example, in addition to the GaaS games they also make traditional non-GaaS games. Like their most recent one, which was back then the fastest selling PS exclusive ever and the most awarded (in GOTY awards) game ever.
Give it up ghostz. You're not going to convince anyone with your bullshit.
Some examples: Little Big Planet, Little Big Planet 2, PlayStation Home, Gran Turismo 7, MLB 21, MLB 22, Destiny 2
Regarding PS Home, because I assume someone in the forum as usual will think that because since they personally didn't like it the project was a failure:
PS Home "quite profitable" - Buser
PlayStation Home is proving itself as a viable revenue stream, with virtual items sold in Sony's online environment now…
www.gamesindustry.biz
It got over 6 years of updates and over 40 million users.
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LOL it’s bullshit that saying Redfall should have been cancelled and that Forspoken isn’t a turd. They’re both shit games through and through. Sony shills really throwing a fit ITT over any mention of PoorSpoken.
Who are all these dormant accounts coming up suddenly. Are we infested by bots?
They used it as their big one more thing game and show opener, first $70 game next-gen showcase. They should get some responsibility, no?
This is exactly why I have such a major problem with Microsoft acquiring big publishers. They are taking on way too much, and you're seeing the bleed-out as a result. This proves that the actual developers rarely have a say in these publishers being bought because if they did in Zenimax's case, I feel they would have rejected such a purchase, even if their then-current owner was a money-hungry dick.
They as a publisher were a rock caught in a hard place, so I guess at the time Microsoft seemed like an angel or a savior. Seems like reality set in sooner rather than later and many talent have been leaving various Zenimax studios, but nothing to the degree of Arkane Austin. Explains a lot as to why RedFall was so unfinished, even with a year's delay.
FWIW I think Sony needs to be careful how they handle Naughty Dog with Factions 2, because if you have a veteran studio with tons of talent both skilled and preferring to work on single-player games, if you force any of those individuals to work on a GaaS they may not like it and could decide to leave. The chances of that are very low because there aren't many other studios in the industry as prestigious or collectively talented as Naughty Dog, but it's still something to consider.
That said, it's a very different problem to what Microsoft are going through, because a lot of their exoduses have occurred right around the time of the ABK acquisition getting pushed hard. I genuinely feel some departures are over personal reasons WRT maybe knowing ABK employees and feeling it's wrong Microsoft are giving Bobby Kotick and other higher-ups an escape route and a payday, considering the toxic environment they let fester at ABK for years. Others probably feel that they would be squeezed out of some limelight focus within Microsoft Gaming if ABK is in fact acquired, or feel their needs at current weren't being met because MS is "distracted" with ABK.
There's lots of reasons, but none of these departures on Microsoft's watch are a good look, especially this Arkane Austin one.
They as a publisher were a rock caught in a hard place, so I guess at the time Microsoft seemed like an angel or a savior. Seems like reality set in sooner rather than later and many talent have been leaving various Zenimax studios, but nothing to the degree of Arkane Austin. Explains a lot as to why RedFall was so unfinished, even with a year's delay.
FWIW I think Sony needs to be careful how they handle Naughty Dog with Factions 2, because if you have a veteran studio with tons of talent both skilled and preferring to work on single-player games, if you force any of those individuals to work on a GaaS they may not like it and could decide to leave. The chances of that are very low because there aren't many other studios in the industry as prestigious or collectively talented as Naughty Dog, but it's still something to consider.
That said, it's a very different problem to what Microsoft are going through, because a lot of their exoduses have occurred right around the time of the ABK acquisition getting pushed hard. I genuinely feel some departures are over personal reasons WRT maybe knowing ABK employees and feeling it's wrong Microsoft are giving Bobby Kotick and other higher-ups an escape route and a payday, considering the toxic environment they let fester at ABK for years. Others probably feel that they would be squeezed out of some limelight focus within Microsoft Gaming if ABK is in fact acquired, or feel their needs at current weren't being met because MS is "distracted" with ABK.
There's lots of reasons, but none of these departures on Microsoft's watch are a good look, especially this Arkane Austin one.
Too much energy wasted on defending MS and Redfall.
Not that it's surprising.
Not that it's surprising.
So stop talking about it. Hopefully Bryant takes a look at this thread and sends you on a vacation.
Anyway, back to the topic. Redfall should have been released as early access.
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Studio does well - Phil Spencer is a genius. Amazing game. Another one.gif stacked years
Studio does bad - Sony's fault, it was going to happen anyway. Nothing Microsoft could do. Sonypony fakenews
Studio does bad - Sony's fault, it was going to happen anyway. Nothing Microsoft could do. Sonypony fakenews
I don't remember Tears of the Kingdom having such development problems that necessitated a delay to salvage the project. Same goes for Ragnarok, GT7 and HFW. But, that's what has apparently happened with Factions 2. Deny the difference as much as you want but it's there.
Yeah Nhomnhom has been heavy doomer with PS of late but given the state Factions 2 is in and the reasons for its delay, we can at least say it's internally failed in a way during development. The game itself may be perfectly sound in design as-is but it didn't meet Sony's requirements for monetization of a GaaS. That is the big goal on the publisher's end; the game was assessed and determined did not meet that requirement. That's a fail. One they can correct going forward, doesn't mean the fail didn't happen at some point however.
Some examples: Little Big Planet, Little Big Planet 2, PlayStation Home, Gran Turismo 7, MLB 21, MLB 22, Destiny 2
Regarding PS Home, because I assume someone in the forum as usual will think that because since they personally didn't like it the project was a failure:
PS Home "quite profitable" - Buser
PlayStation Home is proving itself as a viable revenue stream, with virtual items sold in Sony's online environment now…
It got over 6 years of updates and over 40 million users.
LBP, LBP2, GT7, and the MLB games are more 'traditional' single-player/co-op games with live-service elements and MP included. You can play them perfectly fine without ever needing to go online (outside of patch updates).
PlayStation Home was not necessarily "successful"; the idea was great and so was the implementation, but it never blew up into anything super-popular and I think had it been a better commercial success, Sony would have continued it with the PS4. Destiny 2 is an inherited success of Bungie's making, can't credit that one to Sony.
Yikes. Hands off approach didn't work out well here in hindsight.
Why cant you just ignore him? We would have been back on topic long ago. I just do not understand.
@bxrz is right, the article clearly says the devs at least started leaving before Microsoft got their hands on bethesda. in fact the lead creative left after prey, in 2017. Left in 2017
Anyway regardless Microsoft is also at fault. Especially Phil and Matt Booty, they knew that the game was in trouble and didn't lift a finger.
Anyway regardless Microsoft is also at fault. Especially Phil and Matt Booty, they knew that the game was in trouble and didn't lift a finger.
Bethesda was already a mess and MS is not the type of company suited to fix those problems. I have no faith in any of their studios inducing the other Arkane, id and Bethesda.
Activision is an even bigger mess with lawsuits and unions involved. How are they going to "fix" that if they can't even fix a small studio with less than 100 people?