Returnal's Game Director Harry Krueger departs from Housemarque after almost 15 years with the studio

OP
OP
nongkris

nongkris

Veteran
14 Feb 2023
1,325
2,158
Remedy just released a GOTY contender in Alan Wake II? After a successful Control. The dud was the GAAS wannabe. Remedy is fine. Specially outside MS/Xbox partnerships.
Both remedy and housemarque would've made fine acquisitions (if all their leaders stayed). Though in this current situation remedy would've been the better buy as I could see Control 2 becoming a system seller title before Returnal 2.
 

AshHunter216

Banned
8 Jan 2023
4,556
7,628
As in generally in development companies ppl continuously move around and leave companies. Only a select few of top devs usually stay and even they get tempted by offers and get tired of same development and move on eventually.
Pretty much, but people get scared and angry because they aren't capable of understanding.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Gamernyc78

Yurinka

Veteran
VIP
21 Jun 2022
7,719
6,604
Jim is still CEO currently and Hermen is left completely untouched to continue their reign of terror.
Jim Ryan retired, being replaced by Hiroki Totoki as interim CEO of SIE until they find the next CEO.

Their games selling more than ever + their games winning more awards than ever + their company making more revenue ever than ever and than any other company + acquiring more studios than ever + growing all their studio = "Reign of terror"
 

historia

Veteran
29 Jun 2023
2,818
2,720
Both remedy and housemarque would've made fine acquisitions (if all their leaders stayed). Though in this current situation remedy would've been the better buy as I could see Control 2 becoming a system seller title before Returnal 2.
How many returnal copies sold, less than a million?

Demons Souls sold like more than a million.


Movie games rules. They should just leave the arcade rogue bs to smaller devs they don't owns
 
OP
OP
nongkris

nongkris

Veteran
14 Feb 2023
1,325
2,158
As in generally in development companies ppl continuously move around and leave companies. Only a select few of top devs usually stay and even they get tempted by offers and get tired of same development and move on eventually.
Connie booth, naughty dogs co president, this guy of 15 years. These are all people that have been around for years or literal decades. All leaving extremely suddenly. The average developer changing studio narrative does not work for Playstation's current predicament.
 
  • they're_right_you_know
Reactions: anonpuffs
D

Deleted member 223

Guest
Both remedy and housemarque would've made fine acquisitions (if all their leaders stayed). Though in this current situation remedy would've been the better buy as I could see Control 2 becoming a system seller title before Returnal 2.
Rumor was Remedy-Sony talks just didn't work out despite there being exploratory talks. Just a rumor of course.

Returnal is the AAA-lite in scope title folks want so much from Sony. Specially in the shooter genre which is undeserved by Sony first party - and, in this case, targeting the hardcore like Sony's partnerships with From/Team Ninja. It's a portfolio filler. Sort of like Helldivers, just different flavor.

Control is not a console seller, and more like a portfolio filler.
 

flaccidsnake

Veteran
2 May 2023
2,997
2,526
Connie booth, naughty dogs co president, this guy of 15 years. These are all people that have been around for years or literal decades. All leaving extremely suddenly. The average developer changing studio narrative does not work for Playstation's current predicament.
until there's a quality deficit, it's just whining and concern trolling. playstation put out a GOTY candidate this year, made a 3rd party partnership for another exclusive GOTY candidate, and defacto got THE GOTY as a console exclusive just for being cool.

Playstation is killing the game. The only mark against them is that Last of Us multiplayer hasn't shaken out, and that's a very inside-baseball thing to be mad at considering how little they've even talked about it.
 
  • they're_right_you_know
Reactions: Yurinka and Entropi

historia

Veteran
29 Jun 2023
2,818
2,720
Connie booth, naughty dogs co president, this guy of 15 years. These are all people that have been around for years or literal decades. All leaving extremely suddenly. The average developer changing studio narrative does not work for Playstation's current predicament.
I am not sure you remember this or not but a lot of people leaves PS WWS back in 2014-2015 era.

These includes: Amy Hennig, Stig Asmussen, Seth Killan and Ueda Fumito also break contract with Sony around that time.

Sucker Punch and SSM also hit with a big layoff around that time.
 

Gamernyc78

MuscleMod
28 Jun 2022
20,386
16,652
Connie booth, naughty dogs co president, this guy of 15 years. These are all people that have been around for years or literal decades. All leaving extremely suddenly. The average developer changing studio narrative does not work for Playstation's current predicament.
Could be.
 

flaccidsnake

Veteran
2 May 2023
2,997
2,526
Rumor was Remedy-Sony talks just didn't work out despite there being exploratory talks. Just a rumor of course.

Returnal is the AAA-lite in scope title folks want so much from Sony. Specially in the shooter genre which is undeserved by Sony first party - and, in this case, targeting the hardcore like Sony's partnerships with From/Team Ninja. It's a portfolio filler. Sort of like Helldivers, just different flavor.

Control is not a console seller, and more like a portfolio filler.
Control wasn't a big seller period.

Launching on Epic Store was a disaster for PC sales, and the PS4 port was really rough:

I don't think Control really picked up fan love until it came to Steam and PS5 much later.
 

Yurinka

Veteran
VIP
21 Jun 2022
7,719
6,604
How many returnal copies sold, less than a million?

Demons Souls sold like more than a million.
Demon's Souls sold 1.4M in 10 months being a remake of the first Souls.
Returnal sold 560K in 2 months and a half being a niche new IP.

We have to consider they were released only in a console recently released, that these games will continue selling and that Sony was happy enough with both games to acquire their devs.

Does Sony even have a first party anymore besides insomniac?
Yes, they have around 20 first party studios, with several studios having multiple gamedev teams inside them.
 
Last edited:
  • thisistheway
Reactions: flaccidsnake

Remember_Spinal

Ah, my back!
23 Jun 2022
3,722
5,718
Whats hilarious is that people here don’t think SIE studios was an absolute mess last generation as well.

Tons of higher up at naughty dog departing, stig and half of Santa Monica being laid off, multiple cancelled projects from Santa Monica, Suckerpunch, guerrilla, etc. japan studios being a mess with high level departures, multiple studios shuttered, etc. etc.

Then all the reports about studio crunch.

This happens every generation at playstation. Some of you are just too attached to the behind the scenes dealings now so everyday feels like doom when this is just the gaming business.

At the end of the day people only remember and care about the games. All this extra stuff is for people at sony to worry about, not fans
 

AshHunter216

Banned
8 Jan 2023
4,556
7,628
Whats hilarious is that people here don’t think SIE studios was an absolute mess last generation as well.

Tons of higher up at naughty dog departing, stig and half of Santa Monica being laid off, multiple cancelled projects from Santa Monica, Suckerpunch, guerrilla, etc. japan studios being a mess with high level departures, multiple studios shuttered, etc. etc.

Then all the reports about studio crunch.

This happens every generation at playstation. Some of you are just too attached to the behind the scenes dealings now so everyday feels like doom when this is just the gaming business.
It also feels like behind-the-scenes stuff is made public more often. Honestly a better showcase would do a lot to alleviate the fear, for most people at least, lol.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Remember_Spinal

historia

Veteran
29 Jun 2023
2,818
2,720
Whats hilarious is that people here don’t think SIE studios was an absolute mess last generation as well.

Tons of higher up at naughty dog departing, stig and half of Santa Monica being laid off, multiple cancelled projects from Santa Monica, Suckerpunch, guerrilla, etc. japan studios being a mess with high level departures, multiple studios shuttered, etc. etc.

Then all the reports about studio crunch.

This happens every generation at playstation. Some of you are just too attached to the behind the scenes dealings now so everyday feels like doom when this is just the gaming business.

At the end of the day people only remember and care about the games. All this extra stuff is for people at sony to worry about, not fans
@Yurinka my friend please compile a list of all the departures and layoffs back in 2014-2016 to shut these doom gloomers.

So annoying, like I guess you mofo really enjoy negativity and rage in your life.
 

Danja

Veteran
Icon Extra
10 Mar 2023
6,072
5,857
Both remedy and housemarque would've made fine acquisitions (if all their leaders stayed). Though in this current situation remedy would've been the better buy as I could see Control 2 becoming a system seller title before Returnal 2.
There won't be a Returnal sequel though. Next game is a New IP. This guy leaving at this stage won't affect anything for the next game.
 

Remember_Spinal

Ah, my back!
23 Jun 2022
3,722
5,718
and let’s be honest, Housemarque likely wouldn’t even exist right now if Sony didn’t buy them and fund Returnal.

Before Sony commissioned the latter they were making a damn battle royal game.