Sony claims Microsoft’s ‘true strategy’ is to ‘make PlayStation like Nintendo

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I said anyone with any sense because that's how I feel and see it because there's nothing here in ABK that's going to kill off Sony or that prevents them from competing. It all comes down to is PlayStation fanboys who simply don't want to ever see Sony pivot or change, don't want to see Sony lose market share, don't want to see Sony do anything different than what they've done and don't want to see Sony lose whatsoever or ever come close to doing so. So whenever I see someone defend Sony despite them doing everything that Microsoft did with 360 years earlier with PS/PS2 in my mind just tells me that these people don't want to ever see Microsoft and Xbox to ever be good or get good. In my mind, everyone else just wants to see Microsoft and Xbox stay down and never really amount to anything.

The funny part is that including yourself, nearly everyone here bashes Microsoft for no exclusives, no game of the year winners/contenders, mismanagement, no leadership among other stuff as well yet don't want this deal to go through but why? If Microsoft is that bad, why is everyone so scared? If anything, people should want this acquisition to go through because based on vast majority here, Microsoft would just fuck it all up anyway.

How is Microsoft going to trample over Sony? They're like 4th or 3rd at best. How? Is Sony all of a sudden going to die or end up sucking? I don't get it.

Microsoft doesn't stagnate gaming. That's SONY. Because they don't want anything to change. As for Operating Systems and whatnot, I didn't know it was Microsoft's fault that other companies back in the day didn't have the money or like Google recently, didn't want to spend the money. How can you ever be anything if you don't want to spend the money in order to make it bigger.

You're NOT forced to buy an Xbox. You can play on PC which I thought all PlayStation fans/owners had already. Or at least, this is what I remember reading last generation. COD is NOT a beloved franchise. That's hilarious. It's a money maker and if there was no multi-player which is more about playing with/against other people as opposed to the quality of the game itself, the franchise would die easily.

Microsoft has produced good games this generation. Come on. Just because YOU don't like them because they're not the Sony formula third person action adventure game doesn't mean that they're not good. Seriously, come on. Buying ABK is buying great games? LMAO. COD is great? Really? It's average at best and if it was up to me, I would kill it off. lol

Exactly. People WILL STILL buy a PlayStation yet Sony and their fanboys are somehow concerned. Why? If Microsoft is so bad with producing good games like you just said, what's the problem? What's the concern? LMAO.

But again, to each their own.
You write way too much. Brevity is the soul of wit after all.

Yes, MS would screw up Activison in the long term. No it won’t drive Sony out of business. No, Sony is not causing the stagnation of gaming (what an incredibly silly comment).

It’s about Microsoft shrinking and harming the industry. Bullying competitors. Buying out third parties that have been in gaming since the seventies, with money not earned with gaming.

I think you know this. You’re being intellectually dishonest. You know MS is trying to behave in bad faith out of desperation. There is zero good about this acquisition except for people who are in favor of a scorched earth policy from the Xbox division.
 

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These shooters are tiny compared to the scale of CoD. Only BF gets somewhat closer but still is many times smaller than CoD.
And COD is such an anomaly in terms of the playerbase and revenue it generates, the people who just say "well Sony can just make their own COD" don't understand how INCREDIBLY LUCKY they'd have to chance into such a game. There have been objectively better FPS games on the market that have completely failed at gaining the type of marketshare or revenue of COD, and COD benefited a LOT from Halo's sharp decline in popularity in the console space (evidenced no better by the abysmal performance of Halo Infinite).

Sony could put out a FPS 10x superior to COD and could still absolutely fail because COD occupies so much of the FPS space in terms of players and mindshare, and would have to have a massively catastrophic entry completely killing the brand in order for that hypothetical Sony FPS to have a chance at drawing an audience. And FWIW, it's not like COD's the only shooter saturating the market; there's VALORANT, Apex Legends, Overwatch 2, and even Sony/Bungie's own Destiny 2.

Well if CoD isn't on PS from now on, it will forfeit a market of 100+ million possible players. So it def gonna get smaller. Is is a quality game or a must play game? No. Both XB and PS have better FPSs. Use them and let CoD shrink. MS has the money to buy CoD, no problems here, Sony has the fanbase to make CoD smaller. If it'd be my decision i'd ban the franchise from PS entirely. Sone will leave, for sure, but that is unavoidable when MS starts building their own exclusivity deals. On the other hand, Sony wouldn't be treated like a bitch begging for scraps.

What is happening rn is that MS underplays their 70 effing billion dollar takeover in a comically "it really is no biggie" way and Sony calls it the end of the world as we know it. A load of BS. As a gamer i am ashamed i have bought products for these whiners.

I'm not talking about Halo or Gears. It's about Doom, COD, Wolfenstein, Fallout, etc.

Sony is right. MS wants Sony to be like Nintendo and make everything themselves to sell their platform while MS buys everything else ready-made.

No, Sony is wrong here. MS in the previous gen was non existent, like they were wiped out of the face of the gaming market for 10 years, while Sony made the killer moves. IPs, PSVR, you name it. They are ten years ahead of MS. MS doen't have ten years to compete in creating new IPs. That is why, in order to stay relevant, has to buy a new clientele from scratch, because the old one left them the previous gen.
 

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I mean I get it, it's about hindering the sale if possible. But Sony's out here acting like SOCOM, mag aren't in the vault, alongside probable 3rd party attempts at resurgences for BF and MOH. Cod isn't the be all/end all of shooters

And people like us want those franchises to come back. But in terms of sheer volume and how many people play COD ever year, and now more with Mobile, Warzone F2P, its hard to argue that COD is now the madden of shooters. People buy it every year regardless. And if Microsoft owns cod they will essentially own the shooter space since they already own, Doom, Halo, Gears. They would also own Overwatch which is another big shooter.

I still think sony would be fine, but the issue is possibly the rest of the company that depends on Playstation doing super well would have to change a lot. Basically all that money they make from COD gets re-invested into things like VR, big budget games, exclusive game deals.

I still think this will go through, but I doubt MS will be able to buy anything substantial after this and will have to cave on what Sony wants.

Well if CoD isn't on PS from now on, it will forfeit a market of 100+ million possible players. So it def gonna get smaller. Is is a quality game or a must play game? No. Both XB and PS have better FPSs. Use them and let CoD shrink. MS has the money to buy CoD, no problems here, Sony has the fanbase to make CoD smaller. If it'd be my decision i'd ban the franchise from PS entirely. Sone will leave, for sure, but that is unavoidable when MS starts building their own exclusivity deals. On the other hand, Sony wouldn't be treated like a bitch begging for scraps.

What is happening rn is that MS underplays their 70 effing billion dollar takeover in a comically "it really is no biggie" way and Sony calls it the end of the world as we know it. A load of BS. As a gamer i am ashamed i have bought products for these whiners.



No, Sony is wrong here. MS in the previous gen was non existent, like they were wiped out of the face of the gaming market for 10 years, while Sony made the killer moves. IPs, PSVR, you name it. They are ten years ahead of MS. MS doen't have ten years to compete in creating new IPs. That is why, in order to stay relevant, has to buy a new clientele from scratch, because the old one left them the previous gen.

Thats a Microsoft issue. They have time because they have infinite money. It took Playstation almost claiming bankruptcy in mid 2000's to really get their shit together. They lost shit tons of money and sold off a lot of parts from the parent company.

Microsoft didn't change anything about how they view, look at Gaming as a whole. They still try to shift people around they think are better fit, when Microsoft themselves fails to understand the company itself lacks that creative edge of a entertainment entity like Sony. All they did was shift Phil to a better position because the guys career was in gaming, even though his contributions were not that amazing to the whole of Microsoft Studios back in early 2000's.


Microsoft should have hired all the people back and got a OG team together to run Xbox, and then left it alone. They needed to understand that it was going to be a huge long term money sink. But no, they got a bunch of dudes that have gaming ties to run the division, but the division itself never had a good eco-system, outside of its early conception years.

So now because they cant change, they would rather buy the industry to align xbox with enterprise. This is a pivotal point, if the deal goes through I think things need to be put in place for brands like COD, Diablo ect. I also think FTC needs to have Microsoft sign an agreement based on merrit for seeing the fruit of owning all these studios. As in cleaning up the house of Kotick, making it better, and making the products better more innovative creatively for developers.

If they cant concede these things the deal should then be shut down.
 
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You write way too much. Brevity is the soul of wit after all.

Yes, MS would screw up Activison in the long term. No it won’t drive Sony out of business. No, Sony is not causing the stagnation of gaming (what an incredibly silly comment).

It’s about Microsoft shrinking and harming the industry. Bullying competitors. Buying out third parties that have been in gaming since the seventies, with money not earned with gaming.

I think you know this. You’re being intellectually dishonest. You know MS is trying to behave in bad faith out of desperation. There is zero good about this acquisition except for people who are in favor of a scorched earth policy from the Xbox division.

Sony is somehow causing the stagnation of gaming by offering their expertise to third parties, financing new companies and indies into producing content, creating consistent 1st party bangers that sell like hot cakes... Yet MS is somehow advancing gaming forward by buying publishers with the sole intent of turning third party franchises into first party ones. It's so dishonest I can't even wrap my head around it.
 

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Well if CoD isn't on PS from now on, it will forfeit a market of 100+ million possible players. So it def gonna get smaller. Is is a quality game or a must play game? No. Both XB and PS have better FPSs. Use them and let CoD shrink. MS has the money to buy CoD, no problems here, Sony has the fanbase to make CoD smaller. If it'd be my decision i'd ban the franchise from PS entirely. Sone will leave, for sure, but that is unavoidable when MS starts building their own exclusivity deals. On the other hand, Sony wouldn't be treated like a bitch begging for scraps.

What is happening rn is that MS underplays their 70 effing billion dollar takeover in a comically "it really is no biggie" way and Sony calls it the end of the world as we know it. A load of BS. As a gamer i am ashamed i have bought products for these whiners.
CoD games sell around maximum 10-15M copies on PS on their lifetime, around 10% or less of the PS MAU and even smaller portion of the PS install base.

Around almost half PS users also have an Xbox or PC gaming, so if it goes console exclusive these players would play it elsewere but would continue on PS. Part of the CoD PS users got it due to Sony's marketing that without CoD will be used to market other shooter or AAA game so these sales won't lost. Other PS CoD users would continue on PS playing other games if PS loses CoD.

So only a small portion of the 10-15M users who buy the yearly CoD games would leave PS if CoD goes console exclusive, maybe less than 3-5M. The user growth of PS would compensate it in maybe a year or two. Sony wouldn't almost notice it.

No, Sony is wrong here. MS in the previous gen was non existent, like they were wiped out of the face of the gaming market for 10 years, while Sony made the killer moves. IPs, PSVR, you name it. They are ten years ahead of MS. MS doen't have ten years to compete in creating new IPs. That is why, in order to stay relevant, has to buy a new clientele from scratch, because the old one left them the previous gen.
I agree, Sony is way ahead of MS regarding console install base, game subs and recent sales of exclusive IPs. I think MS should be allowed to buy ABK and to make their games console and game sub exclusive to be able to get closer to Sony and be able to compete.

Sony is somehow causing the stagnation of gaming by offering their expertise to third parties, financing new companies and indies into producing content, creating consistent 1st party bangers that sell like hot cakes... Yet MS is somehow advancing gaming forward by buying publishers with the sole intent of turning third party franchises into first party ones. It's so dishonest I can't even wrap my head around it.
We also have to remember Sony introduced innovations in console gaming like game subscriptions, cloud gaming, modern VR, buying a game and making it playable on multiple consoles at no extra cost etc.

And that Sony also invest on 3rd parties like Epic, Devolver or From Software without buying them or demanding them exclusive stuff. Even when fully acquired Bungie kept them full multiplatform when they could have turned them full exclusive.
 
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Thats a Microsoft issue. They have time because they have infinite money.
Time costs money, yes, but doesn't mean you can buy time with money. MS is out of time and no money in the world can alter that, not even 70 billion as it seems.
 

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I wonder how much MS bankrolls some publications to have these kinds of engagement online. It's been so many these past few days from well known publications that I've lost count. Also, nothing spells "don't want a monopoly" and "consumer friendly" like trying to rile up people into accepting consolidation in the industry.



It's absolutely insane how a company that's worth north of 1 trillion dollars can sell itself as the underdog and have what are gaming's religious fundamentalists and flat earthers defending them. Microsoft is not able to compete in an equal footing because they mismanage their studios, PERIOD. They have a lot of IP, a lot of very good developers, and still manage to fuck it up.

Buying the whole industry is not going to fix that.

I agree, Sony is way ahead of MS regarding console install base, game subs and recent sales of exclusive IPs. I think MS should be allowed to buy ABK and to make their games console and game sub exclusive to be able to get closer to Sony and be able to compete.

Yeah, nothing says competition like buying entire publishers and dozens of IP just to take them away from other platforms. Microsoft should compete like Sony, a company 1/10th their size, does: By releasing quality content, fostering relationships with indies and third parties, strategic studio acquisitions and sharing their know how.

Edit - IMO the best thing for gaming nowadays would be for either Xbox to exit the market, become a publisher, or just try to compete by innovating and developing quality content. They add absolutely zero to the gaming industry, they're an IP graveyard and can only "compete" by buying out entire publishers or by outright having public astroturfing plans and gaming publications bail their ass.

Fucking release games, not fridges, lipstick and love seats.
 

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I agree, Sony is way ahead of MS regarding console install base, game subs and recent sales of exclusive IPs. I think MS should be allowed to buy ABK and to make their games console and game sub exclusive to be able to get closer to Sony and be able to compete.
Yes, I would love being coerced as a consumer to buy into an ecosystem I did not want to before.

How about making their first party offerings more appealing to consumers? I bet you, it would cost them a lot less than 78 billion!

The whole thing is "boohoo woe is me! Let us buy out 3rd party to force consumers into our products, whether they like it or not!"
 

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Wow. Just WOW! The logic of Ryan is that MS has 70b to spare and that those 70b weren't invested on "Sony's home turf", out of pity or respect even. And people believe that is how things happen in businesses of that scale.

"Hide your mums and daughters everyone, MS is out on a shopping spree!"

Fun fact, in ancient democratic Greece if you had shown such lack of logic, your democratic rights would be suspened.

I still can't fathom that in someone's mind rn, MS valued Atlus as worthy an investment as Call Of Duty makers for the average XBOX owner. WOW!
 
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You write way too much. Brevity is the soul of wit after all.

Yes, MS would screw up Activison in the long term. No it won’t drive Sony out of business. No, Sony is not causing the stagnation of gaming (what an incredibly silly comment).

It’s about Microsoft shrinking and harming the industry. Bullying competitors. Buying out third parties that have been in gaming since the seventies, with money not earned with gaming.

I think you know this. You’re being intellectually dishonest. You know MS is trying to behave in bad faith out of desperation. There is zero good about this acquisition except for people who are in favor of a scorched earth policy from the Xbox division.

There's no valid proof that Microsoft screws up ABK. None at all. It's all what you guys here want to see happen. Sony is stagnating the industry because they truly don't want to compete or change/pivot. They want everything to stay the same as if it's 2015. World doesn't work that way.

Microsoft isn't shrinking or harming the industry. Gaming is MASSIVE with new development studios coming out of the wood work every week and buying out third party publishers isn't being forced. It's the publishers who were looking to sell. Sony pays for timed exclusivity repeatedly knowing that it will hurt their competition yet they do it anyway. Microsoft acquiring publishers that wanted to sell is literally no different and if those publishers were to go bankrupt like Bethesda was going to or shut down internal studios which they were going to do if not acquired by someone, how does that make anything better?

If Bethesda was still independent but ended up shutting down Arkane, Tango and Machine Games in that order, how exactly is that BETTER? It's not. It's worse. Sony dominated with PlayStation with money NOT earned from gaming. What's your point? Why does Microsoft have to be the company that does everything the so called "right way" when there is no right way and second, Sony has done their own fucked up shit over 27+ years and no one seems to care but when Microsoft does literally ANYTHING, oh no, they must be stopped. It's a fucking joke.

Until proven, the difference is that im willing to give Microsoft the benefit of the doubt just like I did with Sony back in 1995. You just want to believe that Microsoft is the devil or something and the worse part is that you literally still have access to their games just like I still have access to Final Fantasy VII Remake/Rebirth, FFXVI, Forspoken and many others. YOU have the option to buy and own an Xbox - not because you love Microsoft but because you want to play the games. Crying about Microsoft buying publishers that were literally up for SALE is nothing more than believing that you're entitled to all of these independent publishers games when in reality, you're simply not. These companies and I mean NONE OF THEM including your beloved Sony are here for you. There are here for themselves and to make as much money off OUR asses as possible. Period.

There's a lot of potential good with the ABK deal.

1. Kotick will be fucking gone. This in of itself is a great thing.
2. All the employees will be a billion times better off under Microsoft which is one of the best places to work as opposed to being under Kotick.
3. COD can hopefully become a platform like Minecraft. One base game and they just add to it for years instead of having several studios wasting away on the freaking same game every year.
4. Because of the above, new IP's can be created while already existing IP's can come back. Both of which is better than every Activision studio working on COD every year.
5. We'll get more variety and more genres under Microsoft than what Activision currently is which is nothing more than COD factory.
6. For Blizzard, Ybarra and Spencer can clear out the remaining shit and hopefully get Blizzard back to what they once were.
7. They can bring back StarCraft and hopefully for me personally, resurrect StarCraft Ghost.
8. They can do what hasn't been done in what would probably be 30+ years and that's bring WarCraft to consoles on Xbox.
9. Sony is still getting Diablo IV and already has Overwatch 2. Neither of which are being pulled off PlayStation and by the time they get to the next game, it's 10+ and 5+ years away respectively and under ABK as is now, there's no guarantee that you ever get them to begin with. With Microsoft, I do believe that an Overwatch 3 and a Diablo V is a guarantee.
10. Blizzard has a new IP in the works and who knows, could be a new franchise.
11. Microsoft will bring as many older games to Xbox and Game Pass specifically that have been dead for years if not decades.
12. Future wise, Sony would still have COD for the next decade and if it's making a lot of money in 2034 like it is now, we both know Microsoft will just keep it on PlayStation because of the money they make off of it. Taking a massive game like COD off PlayStation is much more risky and costly than say, a small future Spyro/Crash game that as of now, none of us are getting anyway.
13. All future games will be available on Game Pass day one and yes, you'll still have that option to buy them on disc or via digital download if you so choose.
14. The games will be on Xbox Series, Xbox One (if cross-gen), PC via Steam, the Windows Store (which I would shut down by the way) and Epic Game Store. You can also remote play them on your phones or tablets. You can also stream them if you so choose. And with the Windows Store, you only have to buy the game once to also have access to the Xbox console version.
15. King which is the number one reason why Microsoft wants ABK and will probably agree to almost any concession is strictly for the shit ton of money they make and to allow Microsoft to break into mobile gaming which they've been trying to do for a while and yes, mobile gaming is far more important than console gaming. Sorry but it just is because on consoles, your reach is 150m at max if you're lucky where as with mobile gaming, you can reach pretty much everyone in the freaking world.

You and others believe that Microsoft is harming the industry yet that hasn't been proven whatsoever. Your argument is "oh no, I can't give SONY my money instead of Microsoft and can't play them on my other plastic box called PlayStation 5". Like, give me a break. Being way more competitive than last generation to where maybe, just fucking maybe, Sony can actually give me other genres and other IP's instead of the same Ubisoft style game which while excellent and I love them, their variety and diversity is laughable. Where's my Resistance? Where's my Jak & Daxter remake trilogy? Where's my Legend of Dragoon but with real time combat remake?

Sony has been stagnated. They just have been. PlayStation 3 they had a lot of great unique original and innovative games. Just as much or more so on PlayStation and PlayStation 2. But since Uncharted and more so, TLOU in 2013, they found a formula and they simply stay with it like Ubisoft did and continues to do. Here's a fun fact - Ubisoft is my favorite company, publisher and developer. They haven't given me a game of a year since 2014 with Assassin's Creed Rogue and that was because 2014 sucked. If I don't count that, it was Far Cry 3 in 2012. So 8-10 years, they've given me some excellent and great games but none worthy of being my game of the year.

So no, I don't believe that Microsoft is harming anything. In fact, they're doing the opposite by making it better and more competitive than ever before. Your main argument and many others just like Sony is literally what they've been doing for decades and how they became dominant which is by having exclusive games and content. That's literally the only valid argument that anyone has and even then, it's a bullshit argument because of Sony's own practices. Go look at COD MW 2 right now!!! It's all exclusivity based and pay to win based on if you own the PlayStation version. EVERYTHING that Sony and their fans are crying about is EXACTLY how they became #1 to begin with. And they cry that people will jump ship to Xbox.....oh, you mean like jumping ship to PlayStation if they want to play Final Fantasy? That's the entire mother fucking point of exclusive games and content - to bring consumers into your eco-system.

But wait, ONLY Sony is allowed is to do this right? Oh, it's because it's on a smaller scale right? I would prefer to see Sony acquire Square Enix than do these bullshit timed exclusivity deals because at least then, I can say the same that I say for Microsoft - they own them and can do whatever the fuck they want with them, period. Or is it, Square Enix accepted those deals so it's not on Sony. Okay, well then it's not on Microsoft for making acquisitions. After all, like Square Enix and other companies, they accepted the deal. And if you say that Microsoft did this knowing it could harm their competition, how is that any different than what Sony has done for decades? When in fact, this is how the industry has always worked and been. It's not going to ever change unless Sony and Microsoft combine to make one super console where you get everything. Personally, I would love this and would be gaming heaven. But sadly, this will most likely never happen.

And sorry for the long ass post.
 

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Yes, I would love being coerced as a consumer to buy into an ecosystem I did not want to before.

How about making their first party offerings more appealing to consumers? I bet you, it would cost them a lot less than 78 billion!

The whole thing is "boohoo woe is me! Let us buy out 3rd party to force consumers into our products, whether they like it or not!"
Well, nobody forces you to go to other ecosystem or to buy their games. There are tons of important other devs and IPs in non-MS platforms.

These $78B aren't only to help them compete against PlayStation, PlayStation Plus or Sony's cloud gaming by making CoD exclusive. A bigger part of that is to become a key player on mobile thanks to acquiring King or CoD Mobile and also to further grow in PC by acquiring Blizzard and CoD.

They went crazy with acquisitions spending around $100B on them because during many years they tried to grow their own IPs, create new ones, or grow their internal studios. But that didn't work to help them compete with Sony and Nintendo at the same level regarding hardware or game sales. So they tried a different approach: from focusing on their own console only to expand their business to PC and mobile, or even rival consoles, and also changed from focusing on selling consoles and games to game subscriptions, and also to acquire big names of development teams and IP instead of creating their own ones.
 

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Well, nobody forces you to go to other ecosystem or to buy their games. There are tons of important other devs and IPs in non-MS platforms.

These $78B aren't only to help them compete against PlayStation, PlayStation Plus or Sony's cloud gaming by making CoD exclusive. A bigger part of that is to become a key player on mobile thanks to acquiring King or CoD Mobile and also to further grow in PC by acquiring Blizzard and CoD.

They went crazy with acquisitions spending around $100B on them because during many years they tried to grow their own IPs, create new ones, or grow their internal studios. But that didn't work to help them compete with Sony and Nintendo at the same level regarding hardware or game sales. So they tried a different approach: from focusing on their own console only to expand their business to PC and mobile, or even rival consoles, and also changed from focusing on selling consoles and games to game subscriptions, and also to acquire big names of development teams and IP instead of creating their own ones.
Did they? Did they try? I just don't see it. Only thing they tried is pushing their corporate shit into the gaming which was and is rejected.
 

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There's no valid proof that Microsoft screws up ABK. None at all.
I think King won't be really affected by acquisition, but the revenues of Blizzard and Activision will be highly cut down by including their games day one on GP. And even more if their bigger selling console games stop selling on the top grossing console: PlayStation.

If they continue releasing the same amount of games and of the same size, the costs will continue being pretty much the same, but if their revenue highly decrease then also the profitability of ABK will also highly decrease.

Sony is stagnating the industry because they truly don't want to compete or change/pivot. They want everything to stay the same as if it's 2015. World doesn't work that way.
PlayStation introduced innovations in the console market like game subs, cloud gaming, VR and many more. And they are the market leaders pushing them. Not Microsoft.

Microsoft isn't shrinking or harming the industry. Gaming is MASSIVE with new development studios coming out of the wood work every week and buying out third party publishers isn't being forced.
The current model focused on selling software like games and digital addons (dlc, IAP, season passes) and playing them locally, and having game subs or cloud gaming as something secondary to get an extra revenue from old games is the model that works best for platform holders, publishers and devs. It's also a model that always allowed to have a huge amount of platforms and competition.

MS wants a Netflix/Spotify model focusing the business on subscriptions instead of selling games and addons, particularly their own subscription because they are only the ones capable to handle the massive loses this model generates. In that type of subscriptions games are mostly released there day one, including big AAA games (which highly shrinks the game sales of these games) and indies. Some made by them and other ones moneyhatted.

Since even themselves can only include a very limited amount of new games on GP every month compared with the thousands of games released today in the game sales focused model, it means that dozens of thousands of devs wouldn't be able to release their games because MS would act as a gatekeeper deciding what few dozens of games are released every month.

That would mean the death of most platform holders who wouldn't be able to keep this business model because it isn't sustainable for them and would also mean the death of most publishers and developers because it would only make sense for some of the ones accepted by MS and if MS pays them properly, as they do now but that could and very likely would change if MS gets on a market dominant position.

It's the publishers who were looking to sell. Sony pays for timed exclusivity repeatedly knowing that it will hurt their competition yet they do it anyway. Microsoft acquiring publishers that wanted to sell is literally no different and if those publishers were to go bankrupt like Bethesda was going to or shut down internal studios which they were going to do if not acquired by someone, how does that make anything better?

If Bethesda was still independent but ended up shutting down Arkane, Tango and Machine Games in that order, how exactly is that BETTER? It's not. It's worse. Sony dominated with PlayStation with money NOT earned from gaming. What's your point? Why does Microsoft have to be the company that does everything the so called "right way" when there is no right way and second, Sony has done their own fucked up shit over 27+ years and no one seems to care but when Microsoft does literally ANYTHING, oh no, they must be stopped. It's a fucking joke.
I think that in the current context of the biggest key players in the market having not even 20% of gaming market share they should be allowed to acquire companies, even big publishers. Or to pay for (often timed, often console) exclusives of single games.

But I also think that to get an (often timed, often console) exclusive of a single game, or even multiple ones can't be compared at all to buy the biggest 3rd party publisher in the market and many big IPs including the (probably) most successful one in gaming. First because to buy exclusive it's something that all 3rd parties do and not only Sony. And second because the impact they have is tiny with buying the biggest 3rd party publisher.

As far as I know we have nothing leading to think Bethesda, ABK or anyone else bought by MS was going to go bankrupt or that were going to shut down some of their studios.

1. Kotick will be fucking gone. This in of itself is a great thing.
In the acquisition deal and in multiple statements from both MS and ABK it was stated the opposite, that he continues in charge of ABK.

2. All the employees will be a billion times better off under Microsoft which is one of the best places to work as opposed to being under Kotick.
3. COD can hopefully become a platform like Minecraft. One base game and they just add to it for years instead of having several studios wasting away on the freaking same game every year.
4. Because of the above, new IP's can be created while already existing IP's can come back. Both of which is better than every Activision studio working on COD every year.
5. We'll get more variety and more genres under Microsoft than what Activision currently is which is nothing more than COD factory.
6. For Blizzard, Ybarra and Spencer can clear out the remaining shit and hopefully get Blizzard back to what they once were.
7. They can bring back StarCraft and hopefully for me personally, resurrect StarCraft Ghost.
8. They can do what hasn't been done in what would probably be 30+ years and that's bring WarCraft to consoles on Xbox.
These are possibilities, but who knows.

9. Sony is still getting Diablo IV and already has Overwatch 2. Neither of which are being pulled off PlayStation and by the time they get to the next game, it's 10+ and 5+ years away respectively and under ABK as is now, there's no guarantee that you ever get them to begin with. With Microsoft, I do believe that an Overwatch 3 and a Diablo V is a guarantee.
11. Microsoft will bring as many older games to Xbox and Game Pass specifically that have been dead for years if not decades.
13. All future games will be available on Game Pass day one and yes, you'll still have that option to buy them on disc or via digital download if you so choose.
14. The games will be on Xbox Series, Xbox One (if cross-gen), PC via Steam, the Windows Store (which I would shut down by the way) and Epic Game Store. You can also remote play them on your phones or tablets. You can also stream them if you so choose. And with the Windows Store, you only have to buy the game once to also have access to the Xbox console version.
Yes

10. Blizzard has a new IP in the works and who knows, could be a new franchise.
Yes, new IP means new franchise.

12. Future wise, Sony would still have COD for the next decade and if it's making a lot of money in 2034 like it is now, we both know Microsoft will just keep it on PlayStation because of the money they make off of it. Taking a massive game like COD off PlayStation is much more risky and costly than say, a small future Spyro/Crash game that as of now, none of us are getting anyway.
We don't know which conditions asked MS to Sony to keep releasing CoD for 10 years. They can be something abusive for Sony, like demanding them to publish PS Studios games on Xbox, reducing their revenue cut from 30% to 0%, to pay them a gazillion dollars, etc. The offer they got caused Jimbo to rant for the first time on public, so the offer must have something else that still hasn't been mentioned publicly due to NDAs.


15. King which is the number one reason why Microsoft wants ABK and will probably agree to almost any concession is strictly for the shit ton of money they make and to allow Microsoft to break into mobile gaming which they've been trying to do for a while and yes, mobile gaming is far more important than console gaming. Sorry but it just is because on consoles, your reach is 150m at max if you're lucky where as with mobile gaming, you can reach pretty much everyone in the freaking world.
Yes, King is the top money maker in ABK and mobile gaming is the area where MS will grow more thanks to the acquisition. But MS already has a big presence in mobile with Minecraft.

Sony has been stagnated. They just have been. PlayStation 3 they had a lot of great unique original and innovative games.
Sony is selling now more than ever and they release more new IPs than ever and than any other platform holder or big publisher, and also support/moneyhat more indies (most of them new IPs) than any other platform holders or that Sony did before.

But wait, ONLY Sony is allowed is to do this right? Oh, it's because it's on a smaller scale right?
Sony didn't try to buy the biggest 3rd party publisher and a lot of big IPs or to switch to a business model that if become highly dominant would kill all the other platform holders and most publishers and devs.

Sony only made way smaller acquisitions and signed isolated exclusives for some games, just like any platform holder like Nintendo, MS, Steam, Epic, Apple or Google (or past ones like Sega) did. Sony's strategy and what they did is very different than the MS one.
 

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I did not comment before to have some time to think about the options.

At the end I believe the best for the industry is to have 3 big companies with it own exclusives and key software that are not in any other platform.
That is basically the Nintendo way Sony said.

So I agree with them.

We need Sony (that already works as "Nintendo" for first-party) and MS (that needs to adapt) to be more like Nintendo in the way to handle exclusives and first-party releases.
 
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They've also got Wolfenstein.

Got no problem with Halo and Gears. But all the rest are bought - with Windows/Office money.
It's certainly not XB/Azure Cloud money, that's for sure. Fairly certain they had to roll several things up to present as Azure profits.
 
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You write way too much. Brevity is the soul of wit after all.

Yes, MS would screw up Activison in the long term. No it won’t drive Sony out of business. No, Sony is not causing the stagnation of gaming (what an incredibly silly comment).

It’s about Microsoft shrinking and harming the industry. Bullying competitors. Buying out third parties that have been in gaming since the seventies, with money not earned with gaming.

I think you know this. You’re being intellectually dishonest. You know MS is trying to behave in bad faith out of desperation. There is zero good about this acquisition except for people who are in favor of a scorched earth policy from the Xbox division.
why you waste time with this guy? he is clearly a troll who love tho write walls of nonsense like sensutsusage
 
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I think King won't be really affected by acquisition, but the revenues of Blizzard and Activision will be highly cut down by including their games day one on GP. And even more if their bigger selling console games stop selling on the top grossing console: PlayStation.

If they continue releasing the same amount of games and of the same size, the costs will continue being pretty much the same, but if their revenue highly decrease then also the profitability of ABK will also highly decrease.

Sure, the revenues from other games would decrease due to Game Pass but King will more than make up for it and then some. Besides, it's not about the short term. It's about the long term. Microsoft with Xbox isn't meant to be massively profitable even though it's already profitable, it's about building growth and expanding for the future which is when they will be massively profitable.

PlayStation introduced innovations in the console market like game subs, cloud gaming, VR and many more. And they are the market leaders pushing them. Not Microsoft.

Introducing isn't innovating. Innovation comes from the execution and in this regard, their cloud gaming is nearly non-existent with no massive plans for the future and they offer no games on that service since they don't really have one, VR gaming is extremely niche and I don't see PSVR 2 selling 10m let alone become mainstream and subscription wise, theirs at least for me leaves a lot to be desired as I only care about day one games. I don't care about all the old games because I either played/completed them already or they're of no interest to me. Sony has innovated but they've also copied mostly from Nintendo just as much. For me, I care about the execution because you can innovate all you want but if you fail, it means nothing.

Microsoft is innovating by allowing you to play their games on console, PC, cloud and mobile all day one while also providing them in their subscription service. Thus far, their execution has been solid but they have a long ways to go. The ideal situation is you can play games on the console/PC but you can also play them on your phone while you travel while also being able to access them on a smart TV at a hotel meaning you'll always have access to your games at any time.

The current model focused on selling software like games and digital addons (dlc, IAP, season passes) and playing them locally, and having game subs or cloud gaming as something secondary to get an extra revenue from old games is the model that works best for platform holders, publishers and devs. It's also a model that always allowed to have a huge amount of platforms and competition.

MS wants a Netflix/Spotify model focusing the business on subscriptions instead of selling games and addons, particularly their own subscription because they are only the ones capable to handle the massive loses this model generates. In that type of subscriptions games are mostly released there day one, including big AAA games (which highly shrinks the game sales of these games) and indies. Some made by them and other ones moneyhatted.

Since even themselves can only include a very limited amount of new games on GP every month compared with the thousands of games released today in the game sales focused model, it means that dozens of thousands of devs wouldn't be able to release their games because MS would act as a gatekeeper deciding what few dozens of games are released every month.

That would mean the death of most platform holders who wouldn't be able to keep this business model because it isn't sustainable for them and would also mean the death of most publishers and developers because it would only make sense for some of the ones accepted by MS and if MS pays them properly, as they do now but that could and very likely would change if MS gets on a market dominant position.

Game Pass is already profitable and I have said this for years because when you take the amount of paid subscribers, it's going to be more than Microsoft is spending especially when the vast majority of their games are Indies/AA titles. Just because they have Game Pass doesn't mean that you can't still buy their games. I bought Outriders and The Ascent despite playing them first on Game Pass but here's the benefit - I was able to play them first and make sure that I liked enough of what I played before purchasing them.

The old school model didn't work for Microsoft. We all know this. So why would they stay the same? That makes no sense. The competition is old school like most people here. It works for them. But just because it works for them doesn't mean that it was going to work for Microsoft. Going with a subscription model is what separates and differentiates Microsoft and Sony. This is what competition is all about. If something doesn't work for you, you don't keep forcing it. You try something else. You try something different. No whether Game Pass takes off remains to be seen but Microsoft simply isn't reliant or dependent on selling their games.

Microsoft putting their games into Game Pass day one decreases their sales but again, that was a success for 90% of their games to begin with going back generations so why keep doing the same thing when it clearly doesn't work for them? There's no valid reason for them to stay the same when it wasn't working.

How does having games in Game Pass prevent development studios and AA/AAA publishers from releasing their games on Xbox and having sales success? This is a massive stretch. Indies do well on Xbox and a lot of games do sell. Do they sell better on Xbox than PlayStation? Of course not but that's because PlayStation is the far bigger worldwide more powerful and more popular brand so they should sell more. Just because Game Pass exists, doesn't mean that everyone will stop buying games of all kinds. Sure, there's probably like 5% that does this but these people weren't buying games day one anyway.

PS4/PS5 has a combined user install base of 140m+. God of War Ragnarok sold 5m thus far. That's literally, 3.5% install base for the game. What happened to the other 96.5%? Some of you guys really stretch a lot of this stuff just because you prefer the old school model and don't want it to change.

Microsoft isn't gatekeeping. They can't just pick and choose what games to put on Game Pass. Obviously, not every publisher or development studio wants to have their game on Game Pass. In a lot of cases, they don't need Game Pass. But there's also plenty of cases where a game definitely needs Game Pass.

Believing that Game Pass is going to kill off billion dollar publishers is delusional. Come on. How many third party AAA games go on Game Pass in a year day one? Maybe two if you're lucky. Vast majority are AA/Indies and quite honestly, those are the publishers and studios that greatly benefit from Game Pass because why wouldn't you decrease the risk of monetary losses on your product? Too many of you are simply seeing what you want to see instead of what it actually is.

Your theory is just that, a theory. None of it is a reality and as of now, is not even anywhere close to becoming that. Even if Game Pass explodes, Sony will still make a shit ton of money and have plenty of games if not almost all of them. Every reason I see people here post is all "what if's" with no validation to any of it. If anything, it's all worries and concerns over something that hasn't happened, would take decades to happen and that's if it even does happen which I don't see.

Gaming is simply too massive for what you believe may happen to actually happen. There was a far greater chance of what you believe happening 30+ years ago when the industry was small and minuscule compared to 2022.

I think that in the current context of the biggest key players in the market having not even 20% of gaming market share they should be allowed to acquire companies, even big publishers. Or to pay for (often timed, often console) exclusives of single games.

But I also think that to get an (often timed, often console) exclusive of a single game, or even multiple ones can't be compared at all to buy the biggest 3rd party publisher in the market and many big IPs including the (probably) most successful one in gaming. First because to buy exclusive it's something that all 3rd parties do and not only Sony. And second because the impact they have is tiny with buying the biggest 3rd party publisher.

As far as I know we have nothing leading to think Bethesda, ABK or anyone else bought by MS was going to go bankrupt or that were going to shut down some of their studios.

Bethesda potentially going bankrupt or shutting down studios was reported by Schreier (sp?) and while I don't like the guy, he's arguably the best at what he does. Bethesda sold because they were losing a lot of money and needed to sell. They simply weren't going to survive without a massive restructuring and downsizing. Whether or not you want to believe that is up to you. Let's say you're right, there's just one problem that goes against your argument which is the simple fact that since 2018, Bethesda was looking to sell. Companies only sell as a last resort or if they simply get a deal that is too good to pass up. It took Microsoft just under two years to reach a deal for Bethesda. Google was confirmed to be a bidder for Bethesda and came up way short. Would Google acquiring Bethesda have been better for the gaming industry and gamers/consumers? You could easily argue that it would have been far worse because as we've seen, Google shutdown their entire platform because it didn't take off and like the other hundreds of items or gadgets or whatever Google have released and then shutdown because they didn't take off immediately, chances are, Bethesda would be dead and NO ONE would have access to their games in any way, shape or form.

As for ABK, shareholders wanted Kotick gone. Way too much sexual shit going on in that company for it to be ignored. They were also potentially going to be sued by California and yes, as much as people may not want to believe it, they could have been in a situation where they would have legally forced to be shutdown or file for bankruptcy in order to avoid it. Kotick simply wants his massive payday and if you're him, how do you get that? By going to companies that are worth much more than you are and seeing if they're interested in acquiring your company. Microsoft is literally one of the few that could have accomplished this for Kotick. And it was already confirmed that he went to Facebook first and they said no thanks.

As for the entire exclusivity argument. I will always disagree. Here's why - let's use Forspoken as an example since it hasn't been determined yet. If it was day one on Xbox Series X, sales would be minimal but in 2025, they'll be literally non-existent because no one is buying this fucking game at $70 two years later. Not going to happen. Even this January, I don't see more than maybe 2m in sales the first 6 months if they're lucky for the game. The game will be dead on arrival and the IP itself right behind it.

There's literally no risk for Sony here with these deals. They pay some money upfront and they'll make it back easily from the 30% cut on sales and overall in general based on the individual that buys other stuff besides Forspoken. For Square Enix, they get a small upfront payday at the risk of stagnating any growth the game and IP could have by limiting it to only PlayStation 5. Plus, it's not cross-gen so that lessens that market even more.

The main difference and this is why I will always disagree is that unlike Sony with a timed exclusivity deal in which they pay upfront once and that's it, Microsoft acquires a publisher and have to fund the entire freaking company. From all the employees to all the staff members to marketing to advertising to development to contract workers to the tech used to everything in between, Microsoft literally will have to fund it all. And when you're funding it all, yeah, you have the right to do whatever you want with what you own.

Also, timed exclusivity, full exclusivity or acquisitions, the end result as I have said is still the same - you're still gatekeeping. Doesn't matter if it's a month, a year or a decade. It doesn't matter. Games always sell their most and their best at launch or shortly thereafter. There's never ever been a game that was timed exclusive that sold better when it released on the second platform because at that point, no one cares and they've moved on.

I understand that people here obviously want to play everything on their PlayStation. I get it. I really do. Because I want to play everything on my Xbox. But that's not how the industry works. It's never worked this way. It never will. If anything, people here call me an XBOT all the time. Okay, fine. But I own a PlayStation 5. I bought GOWR. How many PlayStation 5 owners here actually own an Xbox Series X or S? Probably very few so who's the real fanboy/extremist? It's not me because I don't limit or restrict myself and im not going to cry about a company buying publishers. Let them all go nuts. I don't care because it doesn't affect me. And im sure most people here can afford a Series S at the minimum so if these people still choose not to buy it to play the games that they want to play, im not going to apologize. I have no sympathy for these people because the games are important and you want to play them or you don't. That's how I look at it all.

In the acquisition deal and in multiple statements from both MS and ABK it was stated the opposite, that he continues in charge of ABK.

Kotick will hang around for a few months after the acquisition closes and will then walk off into the sunset with a motherfucking massive payday. Kotick is simply too toxic to keep around and if he wasn't, well, he wouldn't have looked to sell in the first place. Microsoft doesn't own ABK as of now so of course, they'll play it up but my guess is that his walking away has already been set in stone and they are all just waiting for that time to get here.

We don't know which conditions asked MS to Sony to keep releasing CoD for 10 years. They can be something abusive for Sony, like demanding them to publish PS Studios games on Xbox, reducing their revenue cut from 30% to 0%, to pay them a gazillion dollars, etc. The offer they got caused Jimbo to rant for the first time on public, so the offer must have something else that still hasn't been mentioned publicly due to NDAs.

Let's just say it's a straight forward 10 year deal. All Microsoft gets is the 30% cut from sales and micro-transactions. Why wouldn't Sony accept that if COD is in their own words, ESSENTIAL? If they decline their offers, then all that does is prove that they're full of shit and that it's not essential.

Yes, King is the top money maker in ABK and mobile gaming is the area where MS will grow more thanks to the acquisition. But MS already has a big presence in mobile with Minecraft.

Minecraft is big but Microsoft is near non-existent when it comes to mobile gaming. King changes this barring them not fucking it up which granted, is always a possibility.

Sony is selling now more than ever and they release more new IPs than ever and than any other platform holder or big publisher, and also support/moneyhat more indies (most of them new IPs) than any other platform holders or that Sony did before.

They release new IP's, no argument there but the vast majority of them all have the same template/formula. What I want to see is some of the old stuff be remade and come back. Doubt this will happen but I can hope that it does.

Sony didn't try to buy the biggest 3rd party publisher and a lot of big IPs or to switch to a business model that if become highly dominant would kill all the other platform holders and most publishers and devs.

Sony only made way smaller acquisitions and signed isolated exclusives for some games, just like any platform holder like Nintendo, MS, Steam, Epic, Apple or Google (or past ones like Sega) did. Sony's strategy and what they did is very different than the MS one.

Sony didn't try to buy ABK not because they wouldn't but because they don't have the money. Make no mistake, if Sony had the money, they would have been right there sitting across from Microsoft at the bidding table. Don't ever act like Sony wouldn't do the same because we both know they would and to be perfectly honest, they should. If you're Nadella and pass on ABK, that's most likely going to lead investors and shareholders potentially wanting to remove/fire him because passing up on ABK regardless of the risk/cost would just be a horrible decision for a CEO.

As for switching business models, I don't understand your argument here. If what Microsoft was doing wasn't working, why should they stay that way? What should they have done? I mean come on. Some of the arguments people here have make no sense. Like, one business model fails but fuck it, let's just keep doing the same thing over and over. Also, just like in regards to the ABK deal and the CMA and others, it all hinges on WHAT IF. I love that. This is hilarious to me. Don't allow Microsoft to do anything because WHAT IF this or that happens. LMAO.

Yes, Sony's strategy is different and works for THEM. The same strategy wasn't working for Microsoft so again, WHY should they stay that way?

In my mind, I believe that most people here never ever want to see Microsoft or Xbox compete or do better. Instead, I believe that most people here just want to see them stay shitty. And when I see that people argue about them going in a subscription model is a negative when that's exactly what competition is literally all about. If your business model isn't working, you CHANGE it. That's the definition of competition because when every platform offers an actual DIFFERENCE, that's what will separate them from being the same as their competitor.
 
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Sure, the revenues from other games would decrease due to Game Pass but King will more than make up for it and then some. Besides, it's not about the short term. It's about the long term. Microsoft with Xbox isn't meant to be massively profitable even though it's already profitable, it's about building growth and expanding for the future which is when they will be massively profitable.



Introducing isn't innovating. Innovation comes from the execution and in this regard, their cloud gaming is nearly non-existent with no massive plans for the future and they offer no games on that service since they don't really have one, VR gaming is extremely niche and I don't see PSVR 2 selling 10m let alone become mainstream and subscription wise, theirs at least for me leaves a lot to be desired as I only care about day one games. I don't care about all the old games because I either played/completed them already or they're of no interest to me. Sony has innovated but they've also copied mostly from Nintendo just as much. For me, I care about the execution because you can innovate all you want but if you fail, it means nothing.

Microsoft is innovating by allowing you to play their games on console, PC, cloud and mobile all day one while also providing them in their subscription service. Thus far, their execution has been solid but they have a long ways to go. The ideal situation is you can play games on the console/PC but you can also play them on your phone while you travel while also being able to access them on a smart TV at a hotel meaning you'll always have access to your games at any time.



Game Pass is already profitable and I have said this for years because when you take the amount of paid subscribers, it's going to be more than Microsoft is spending especially when the vast majority of their games are Indies/AA titles. Just because they have Game Pass doesn't mean that you can't still buy their games. I bought Outriders and The Ascent despite playing them first on Game Pass but here's the benefit - I was able to play them first and make sure that I liked enough of what I played before purchasing them.

The old school model didn't work for Microsoft. We all know this. So why would they stay the same? That makes no sense. The competition is old school like most people here. It works for them. But just because it works for them doesn't mean that it was going to work for Microsoft. Going with a subscription model is what separates and differentiates Microsoft and Sony. This is what competition is all about. If something doesn't work for you, you don't keep forcing it. You try something else. You try something different. No whether Game Pass takes off remains to be seen but Microsoft simply isn't reliant or dependent on selling their games.

Microsoft putting their games into Game Pass day one decreases their sales but again, that was a success for 90% of their games to begin with going back generations so why keep doing the same thing when it clearly doesn't work for them? There's no valid reason for them to stay the same when it wasn't working.

How does having games in Game Pass prevent development studios and AA/AAA publishers from releasing their games on Xbox and having sales success? This is a massive stretch. Indies do well on Xbox and a lot of games do sell. Do they sell better on Xbox than PlayStation? Of course not but that's because PlayStation is the far bigger worldwide more powerful and more popular brand so they should sell more. Just because Game Pass exists, doesn't mean that everyone will stop buying games of all kinds. Sure, there's probably like 5% that does this but these people weren't buying games day one anyway.

PS4/PS5 has a combined user install base of 140m+. God of War Ragnarok sold 5m thus far. That's literally, 3.5% install base for the game. What happened to the other 96.5%? Some of you guys really stretch a lot of this stuff just because you prefer the old school model and don't want it to change.

Microsoft isn't gatekeeping. They can't just pick and choose what games to put on Game Pass. Obviously, not every publisher or development studio wants to have their game on Game Pass. In a lot of cases, they don't need Game Pass. But there's also plenty of cases where a game definitely needs Game Pass.

Believing that Game Pass is going to kill off billion dollar publishers is delusional. Come on. How many third party AAA games go on Game Pass in a year day one? Maybe two if you're lucky. Vast majority are AA/Indies and quite honestly, those are the publishers and studios that greatly benefit from Game Pass because why wouldn't you decrease the risk of monetary losses on your product? Too many of you are simply seeing what you want to see instead of what it actually is.

Your theory is just that, a theory. None of it is a reality and as of now, is not even anywhere close to becoming that. Even if Game Pass explodes, Sony will still make a shit ton of money and have plenty of games if not almost all of them. Every reason I see people here post is all "what if's" with no validation to any of it. If anything, it's all worries and concerns over something that hasn't happened, would take decades to happen and that's if it even does happen which I don't see.

Gaming is simply too massive for what you believe may happen to actually happen. There was a far greater chance of what you believe happening 30+ years ago when the industry was small and minuscule compared to 2022.



Bethesda potentially going bankrupt or shutting down studios was reported by Schreier (sp?) and while I don't like the guy, he's arguably the best at what he does. Bethesda sold because they were losing a lot of money and needed to sell. They simply weren't going to survive without a massive restructuring and downsizing. Whether or not you want to believe that is up to you. Let's say you're right, there's just one problem that goes against your argument which is the simple fact that since 2018, Bethesda was looking to sell. Companies only sell as a last resort or if they simply get a deal that is too good to pass up. It took Microsoft just under two years to reach a deal for Bethesda. Google was confirmed to be a bidder for Bethesda and came up way short. Would Google acquiring Bethesda have been better for the gaming industry and gamers/consumers? You could easily argue that it would have been far worse because as we've seen, Google shutdown their entire platform because it didn't take off and like the other hundreds of items or gadgets or whatever Google have released and then shutdown because they didn't take off immediately, chances are, Bethesda would be dead and NO ONE would have access to their games in any way, shape or form.

As for ABK, shareholders wanted Kotick gone. Way too much sexual shit going on in that company for it to be ignored. They were also potentially going to be sued by California and yes, as much as people may not want to believe it, they could have been in a situation where they would have legally forced to be shutdown or file for bankruptcy in order to avoid it. Kotick simply wants his massive payday and if you're him, how do you get that? By going to companies that are worth much more than you are and seeing if they're interested in acquiring your company. Microsoft is literally one of the few that could have accomplished this for Kotick. And it was already confirmed that he went to Facebook first and they said no thanks.

As for the entire exclusivity argument. I will always disagree. Here's why - let's use Forspoken as an example since it hasn't been determined yet. If it was day one on Xbox Series X, sales would be minimal but in 2025, they'll be literally non-existent because no one is buying this fucking game at $70 two years later. Not going to happen. Even this January, I don't see more than maybe 2m in sales the first 6 months if they're lucky for the game. The game will be dead on arrival and the IP itself right behind it.

There's literally no risk for Sony here with these deals. They pay some money upfront and they'll make it back easily from the 30% cut on sales and overall in general based on the individual that buys other stuff besides Forspoken. For Square Enix, they get a small upfront payday at the risk of stagnating any growth the game and IP could have by limiting it to only PlayStation 5. Plus, it's not cross-gen so that lessens that market even more.

The main difference and this is why I will always disagree is that unlike Sony with a timed exclusivity deal in which they pay upfront once and that's it, Microsoft acquires a publisher and have to fund the entire freaking company. From all the employees to all the staff members to marketing to advertising to development to contract workers to the tech used to everything in between, Microsoft literally will have to fund it all. And when you're funding it all, yeah, you have the right to do whatever you want with what you own.

Also, timed exclusivity, full exclusivity or acquisitions, the end result as I have said is still the same - you're still gatekeeping. Doesn't matter if it's a month, a year or a decade. It doesn't matter. Games always sell their most and their best at launch or shortly thereafter. There's never ever been a game that was timed exclusive that sold better when it released on the second platform because at that point, no one cares and they've moved on.

I understand that people here obviously want to play everything on their PlayStation. I get it. I really do. Because I want to play everything on my Xbox. But that's not how the industry works. It's never worked this way. It never will. If anything, people here call me an XBOT all the time. Okay, fine. But I own a PlayStation 5. I bought GOWR. How many PlayStation 5 owners here actually own an Xbox Series X or S? Probably very few so who's the real fanboy/extremist? It's not me because I don't limit or restrict myself and im not going to cry about a company buying publishers. Let them all go nuts. I don't care because it doesn't affect me. And im sure most people here can afford a Series S at the minimum so if these people still choose not to buy it to play the games that they want to play, im not going to apologize. I have no sympathy for these people because the games are important and you want to play them or you don't. That's how I look at it all.



Kotick will hang around for a few months after the acquisition closes and will then walk off into the sunset with a motherfucking massive payday. Kotick is simply too toxic to keep around and if he wasn't, well, he wouldn't have looked to sell in the first place. Microsoft doesn't own ABK as of now so of course, they'll play it up but my guess is that his walking away has already been set in stone and they are all just waiting for that time to get here.



Let's just say it's a straight forward 10 year deal. All Microsoft gets is the 30% cut from sales and micro-transactions. Why wouldn't Sony accept that if COD is in their own words, ESSENTIAL? If they decline their offers, then all that does is prove that they're full of shit and that it's not essential.



Minecraft is big but Microsoft is near non-existent when it comes to mobile gaming. King changes this barring them not fucking it up which granted, is always a possibility.



They release new IP's, no argument there but the vast majority of them all have the same template/formula. What I want to see is some of the old stuff be remade and come back. Doubt this will happen but I can hope that it does.



Sony didn't try to buy ABK not because they wouldn't but because they don't have the money. Make no mistake, if Sony had the money, they would have been right there sitting across from Microsoft at the bidding table. Don't ever act like Sony wouldn't do the same because we both know they would and to be perfectly honest, they should. If you're Nadella and pass on ABK, that's most likely going to lead investors and shareholders potentially wanting to remove/fire him because passing up on ABK regardless of the risk/cost would just be a horrible decision for a CEO.

As for switching business models, I don't understand your argument here. If what Microsoft was doing wasn't working, why should they stay that way? What should they have done? I mean come on. Some of the arguments people here have make no sense. Like, one business model fails but fuck it, let's just keep doing the same thing over and over. Also, just like in regards to the ABK deal and the CMA and others, it all hinges on WHAT IF. I love that. This is hilarious to me. Don't allow Microsoft to do anything because WHAT IF this or that happens. LMAO.

Yes, Sony's strategy is different and works for THEM. The same strategy wasn't working for Microsoft so again, WHY should they stay that way?

In my mind, I believe that most people here never ever want to see Microsoft or Xbox compete or do better. Instead, I believe that most people here just want to see them stay shitty. And when I see that people argue about them going in a subscription model is a negative when that's exactly what competition is literally all about. If your business model isn't working, you CHANGE it. That's the definition of competition because when every platform offers an actual DIFFERENCE, that's what will separate them from being the same as their competitor.
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Sure, the revenues from other games would decrease due to Game Pass but King will more than make up for it and then some. Besides, it's not about the short term. It's about the long term. Microsoft with Xbox isn't meant to be massively profitable even though it's already profitable, it's about building growth and expanding for the future which is when they will be massively profitable.



Introducing isn't innovating. Innovation comes from the execution and in this regard, their cloud gaming is nearly non-existent with no massive plans for the future and they offer no games on that service since they don't really have one, VR gaming is extremely niche and I don't see PSVR 2 selling 10m let alone become mainstream and subscription wise, theirs at least for me leaves a lot to be desired as I only care about day one games. I don't care about all the old games because I either played/completed them already or they're of no interest to me. Sony has innovated but they've also copied mostly from Nintendo just as much. For me, I care about the execution because you can innovate all you want but if you fail, it means nothing.

Microsoft is innovating by allowing you to play their games on console, PC, cloud and mobile all day one while also providing them in their subscription service. Thus far, their execution has been solid but they have a long ways to go. The ideal situation is you can play games on the console/PC but you can also play them on your phone while you travel while also being able to access them on a smart TV at a hotel meaning you'll always have access to your games at any time.



Game Pass is already profitable and I have said this for years because when you take the amount of paid subscribers, it's going to be more than Microsoft is spending especially when the vast majority of their games are Indies/AA titles. Just because they have Game Pass doesn't mean that you can't still buy their games. I bought Outriders and The Ascent despite playing them first on Game Pass but here's the benefit - I was able to play them first and make sure that I liked enough of what I played before purchasing them.

The old school model didn't work for Microsoft. We all know this. So why would they stay the same? That makes no sense. The competition is old school like most people here. It works for them. But just because it works for them doesn't mean that it was going to work for Microsoft. Going with a subscription model is what separates and differentiates Microsoft and Sony. This is what competition is all about. If something doesn't work for you, you don't keep forcing it. You try something else. You try something different. No whether Game Pass takes off remains to be seen but Microsoft simply isn't reliant or dependent on selling their games.

Microsoft putting their games into Game Pass day one decreases their sales but again, that was a success for 90% of their games to begin with going back generations so why keep doing the same thing when it clearly doesn't work for them? There's no valid reason for them to stay the same when it wasn't working.

How does having games in Game Pass prevent development studios and AA/AAA publishers from releasing their games on Xbox and having sales success? This is a massive stretch. Indies do well on Xbox and a lot of games do sell. Do they sell better on Xbox than PlayStation? Of course not but that's because PlayStation is the far bigger worldwide more powerful and more popular brand so they should sell more. Just because Game Pass exists, doesn't mean that everyone will stop buying games of all kinds. Sure, there's probably like 5% that does this but these people weren't buying games day one anyway.

PS4/PS5 has a combined user install base of 140m+. God of War Ragnarok sold 5m thus far. That's literally, 3.5% install base for the game. What happened to the other 96.5%? Some of you guys really stretch a lot of this stuff just because you prefer the old school model and don't want it to change.

Microsoft isn't gatekeeping. They can't just pick and choose what games to put on Game Pass. Obviously, not every publisher or development studio wants to have their game on Game Pass. In a lot of cases, they don't need Game Pass. But there's also plenty of cases where a game definitely needs Game Pass.

Believing that Game Pass is going to kill off billion dollar publishers is delusional. Come on. How many third party AAA games go on Game Pass in a year day one? Maybe two if you're lucky. Vast majority are AA/Indies and quite honestly, those are the publishers and studios that greatly benefit from Game Pass because why wouldn't you decrease the risk of monetary losses on your product? Too many of you are simply seeing what you want to see instead of what it actually is.

Your theory is just that, a theory. None of it is a reality and as of now, is not even anywhere close to becoming that. Even if Game Pass explodes, Sony will still make a shit ton of money and have plenty of games if not almost all of them. Every reason I see people here post is all "what if's" with no validation to any of it. If anything, it's all worries and concerns over something that hasn't happened, would take decades to happen and that's if it even does happen which I don't see.

Gaming is simply too massive for what you believe may happen to actually happen. There was a far greater chance of what you believe happening 30+ years ago when the industry was small and minuscule compared to 2022.



Bethesda potentially going bankrupt or shutting down studios was reported by Schreier (sp?) and while I don't like the guy, he's arguably the best at what he does. Bethesda sold because they were losing a lot of money and needed to sell. They simply weren't going to survive without a massive restructuring and downsizing. Whether or not you want to believe that is up to you. Let's say you're right, there's just one problem that goes against your argument which is the simple fact that since 2018, Bethesda was looking to sell. Companies only sell as a last resort or if they simply get a deal that is too good to pass up. It took Microsoft just under two years to reach a deal for Bethesda. Google was confirmed to be a bidder for Bethesda and came up way short. Would Google acquiring Bethesda have been better for the gaming industry and gamers/consumers? You could easily argue that it would have been far worse because as we've seen, Google shutdown their entire platform because it didn't take off and like the other hundreds of items or gadgets or whatever Google have released and then shutdown because they didn't take off immediately, chances are, Bethesda would be dead and NO ONE would have access to their games in any way, shape or form.

As for ABK, shareholders wanted Kotick gone. Way too much sexual shit going on in that company for it to be ignored. They were also potentially going to be sued by California and yes, as much as people may not want to believe it, they could have been in a situation where they would have legally forced to be shutdown or file for bankruptcy in order to avoid it. Kotick simply wants his massive payday and if you're him, how do you get that? By going to companies that are worth much more than you are and seeing if they're interested in acquiring your company. Microsoft is literally one of the few that could have accomplished this for Kotick. And it was already confirmed that he went to Facebook first and they said no thanks.

As for the entire exclusivity argument. I will always disagree. Here's why - let's use Forspoken as an example since it hasn't been determined yet. If it was day one on Xbox Series X, sales would be minimal but in 2025, they'll be literally non-existent because no one is buying this fucking game at $70 two years later. Not going to happen. Even this January, I don't see more than maybe 2m in sales the first 6 months if they're lucky for the game. The game will be dead on arrival and the IP itself right behind it.

There's literally no risk for Sony here with these deals. They pay some money upfront and they'll make it back easily from the 30% cut on sales and overall in general based on the individual that buys other stuff besides Forspoken. For Square Enix, they get a small upfront payday at the risk of stagnating any growth the game and IP could have by limiting it to only PlayStation 5. Plus, it's not cross-gen so that lessens that market even more.

The main difference and this is why I will always disagree is that unlike Sony with a timed exclusivity deal in which they pay upfront once and that's it, Microsoft acquires a publisher and have to fund the entire freaking company. From all the employees to all the staff members to marketing to advertising to development to contract workers to the tech used to everything in between, Microsoft literally will have to fund it all. And when you're funding it all, yeah, you have the right to do whatever you want with what you own.

Also, timed exclusivity, full exclusivity or acquisitions, the end result as I have said is still the same - you're still gatekeeping. Doesn't matter if it's a month, a year or a decade. It doesn't matter. Games always sell their most and their best at launch or shortly thereafter. There's never ever been a game that was timed exclusive that sold better when it released on the second platform because at that point, no one cares and they've moved on.

I understand that people here obviously want to play everything on their PlayStation. I get it. I really do. Because I want to play everything on my Xbox. But that's not how the industry works. It's never worked this way. It never will. If anything, people here call me an XBOT all the time. Okay, fine. But I own a PlayStation 5. I bought GOWR. How many PlayStation 5 owners here actually own an Xbox Series X or S? Probably very few so who's the real fanboy/extremist? It's not me because I don't limit or restrict myself and im not going to cry about a company buying publishers. Let them all go nuts. I don't care because it doesn't affect me. And im sure most people here can afford a Series S at the minimum so if these people still choose not to buy it to play the games that they want to play, im not going to apologize. I have no sympathy for these people because the games are important and you want to play them or you don't. That's how I look at it all.



Kotick will hang around for a few months after the acquisition closes and will then walk off into the sunset with a motherfucking massive payday. Kotick is simply too toxic to keep around and if he wasn't, well, he wouldn't have looked to sell in the first place. Microsoft doesn't own ABK as of now so of course, they'll play it up but my guess is that his walking away has already been set in stone and they are all just waiting for that time to get here.



Let's just say it's a straight forward 10 year deal. All Microsoft gets is the 30% cut from sales and micro-transactions. Why wouldn't Sony accept that if COD is in their own words, ESSENTIAL? If they decline their offers, then all that does is prove that they're full of shit and that it's not essential.



Minecraft is big but Microsoft is near non-existent when it comes to mobile gaming. King changes this barring them not fucking it up which granted, is always a possibility.



They release new IP's, no argument there but the vast majority of them all have the same template/formula. What I want to see is some of the old stuff be remade and come back. Doubt this will happen but I can hope that it does.



Sony didn't try to buy ABK not because they wouldn't but because they don't have the money. Make no mistake, if Sony had the money, they would have been right there sitting across from Microsoft at the bidding table. Don't ever act like Sony wouldn't do the same because we both know they would and to be perfectly honest, they should. If you're Nadella and pass on ABK, that's most likely going to lead investors and shareholders potentially wanting to remove/fire him because passing up on ABK regardless of the risk/cost would just be a horrible decision for a CEO.

As for switching business models, I don't understand your argument here. If what Microsoft was doing wasn't working, why should they stay that way? What should they have done? I mean come on. Some of the arguments people here have make no sense. Like, one business model fails but fuck it, let's just keep doing the same thing over and over. Also, just like in regards to the ABK deal and the CMA and others, it all hinges on WHAT IF. I love that. This is hilarious to me. Don't allow Microsoft to do anything because WHAT IF this or that happens. LMAO.

Yes, Sony's strategy is different and works for THEM. The same strategy wasn't working for Microsoft so again, WHY should they stay that way?

In my mind, I believe that most people here never ever want to see Microsoft or Xbox compete or do better. Instead, I believe that most people here just want to see them stay shitty. And when I see that people argue about them going in a subscription model is a negative when that's exactly what competition is literally all about. If your business model isn't working, you CHANGE it. That's the definition of competition because when every platform offers an actual DIFFERENCE, that's what will separate them from being the same as their competitor.
Wow are you getting paid for posting this?

No I don't want a company that fails at making AAA games that has to buy companies and take games away from the games biggest platform to succeed.

After over 20 years and billions of dollars MS still doesn't have a fn clue.
 
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