Sony is held to unreachable standards

[mibu no ookami]

The premise of my thoughts here are that Sony is reaching heights we haven't seen in gaming since Nintendo in the 80s, where the master system and the Atari 5200 weren't really competition for the NES. That scrutiny plus the internet is why you see so much backlash towards Sony for EVERYTHING they do. Release an unsuccessful game, people will talk about it for months if not years, rather than just moving on to the next game. Launch a premium console and people will make fools of themselves to downplay it with PC builds that have no ram, no operating system, a small storage drive, and no keyboard/mouse, or gamepad.

There was a popular refrain that Sony has no games.

This year alone Sony has released two games that will go down as two of the greatest achievements in the generation. Helldivers 2 (a possible GOTY contender) which may end up being their best-selling game of all time and Astro Bot (a near lock for GOTY) which may be one of their best designed games of all time. On top of that they published Stellar Blade, Rise of the Ronin, and will release Until Dawn and Lego Horizon Adventure.

And as a console platform holder delivered massive games that were exclusive for one reason or another in Black Myth Wukong (potentially a GOTY contender) and FF7 Rebirth (another GOTY contender)

What other company across gaming released two GOTY contenders this year?

Last year they released Spider-Man 2, which is going to be one of the best-selling games of the generation and was also a GOTY contender.

Since 2020, what company has more GOTY contenders than Sony?

2020 - TLOU2 wins GOTY, Ghost of Tsushima is nominated.
Nintendo, Square Enix and Bethesda both get 1 nomination

2021 - Sony gets another nomination with Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart (3)
EA wins, Bethesda gets another nomination Nintendo gets another nomination (2), Capcom gets nominated

2022 - Sony gets two more nominations with Horizon Forbidden West and God of War Ragnarok(5)
FromSoftware wins GOTY with Elden Ring, Nintendo gets another nomination (3)

2023 - Sony gets another nomination with Spider-Man (6)
Larian wins with Baldur's Gate, Nintendo gets two more nominations (5) and Capcom gets one more (4)


These don't even include other award winning games like Returnal (Best Action game 2021) and Gran Turismo 7 (Best Sport/Racing Game 2022) or Demon's Souls.

What gaming company is putting out more and better games than Sony? What company is as consistent?

Sony puts out a game like Astro Bot and it doesn't count because it doesn't have hyper realistic graphics? So why do all these Nintendo games count every year?

I would love to see what other company is killing it year in and year out. Companies like CDPR, FromSoftware, Larian, get away with putting out major games every 5+ years (excluding DLC, which wouldn't count for Sony). What did Larian do before BG3? Divinity 2, a game that if Sony had released people wouldn't care about.

CDPR hasn't released a new game (DLC again doesn't count) since December 2020... why no hate threads for them, but Naughty Dog who only released a game a few months before gets constant hate, but have at least put out some remasters and remakes, as well as free content for TLOU.

The PS5 is selling nearly as fast as the PS4 under unbelievable circumstances, yet it's apparently not enough?

People desperately need to chill out.

 

[ToTTenTranz]

The problem in this internet really is too many xbox shills out there.

 

[Entropi]

This is the price to pay for anyone at the top of their game. I’m not talking about business decisions here, so don’t twist my words.

 

[mibu no ookami]

The problem in this internet really is too many xbox shills out there.

Sega fans were furious when the Dreamcast was being discontinued but social media wasn't really built up the way it is now and Xbox has more consumers than Sega at the time, but PCMR wasn't really built up either. You have a lot of people who don't want to see Sony successful out there.

 

[ToTTenTranz]

Sega fans were furious when the Dreamcast was being discontinued but social media wasn't really built up the way it is now and Xbox has more consumers than Sega at the time, but PCMR wasn't really built up either. You have a lot of people who don't want to see Sony successful out there.

I was being sarcastic.

 

[Gediminas]

I was being sarcastic.

How was it sarcasm? Do you wanted to say, there is too little of xbox shills?

 

[Gods&Monsters]

Sony is the most prolific publisher in the industry but somehow the games they publish don't count for a reason or another. Late PC ports doesn't count, GAAS doesn't count, Remakes doesn't count, MLB doesn't count, Destiny doesn't count, 3rd-party studio doesn't count.

2K and EA have yearly sports games but besides that they don't release anything noteworthy. Activision is COD only. Nobody is complaining and calling them lazy.

2024 will go down as one of the best years for Sony as a publisher. So much diversity with GAAS, Korean, Japanese, horror and family games.

I was being sarcastic.

Still salty because you think there's not enough negativity about the PS5 Pro? The hate is actually overwhelming

 

[mibu no ookami]

Sony is the most prolific publisher in the industry but somehow the games they publish don't count for a reason or another. Late PC ports doesn't count, GAAS doesn't count, Remakes doesn't count, MLB doesn't count, Destiny doesn't count, 3rd-party studio doesn't count.

2K and EA have yearly sports games but besides that they don't release anything noteworthy. Activision is COD only. Nobody is complaining and calling them lazy.

2024 will go down as one of the best years for Sony as a publisher. So much diversity with GAAS, Korean, Japanese, horror and family games.

Consider this; this is Sony's year as a Publisher:

Astro Bot - 94
TLOU2 Remastered - 90
Helldivers 2 - 82
Stellar Blade - 81
MLB The Show 24 - 80
Rise of the Ronin - 76
Concord - 62

PC
Horizon Forbidden West PC - 89
Ghost of Tsushima PC - 89

They still have
Lego Horizon Adventure
God of War Ragnarok PC
Until Dawn

So far that's 4 titles that are 89 or higher and 7 titles that are 80 or higher. Find me another publisher this consistent. They have 1 game out of 9 so far this year under a 75.

This was supposed to be a dry or bad year for them remember? Calling them the most prolific publisher is an understatement. I'd love to hear anyone in the business with HALF of this.

You would think PC gamers would love them because their PC games aside from a bad port from Iron Galaxy get a lot of love and attention from Nixxes and Jetpack Interactive. Most companies don't give a shit about the quality of their PC ports... Sony's are pretty consistently high quality.

Edit: Totally forgot to add Final Shape which is an 89.

 

[Danja]

No they just have REALLY SHITTY PR and they do not communicate with their base anymore, there's zero online presence to set the record straight.

They allow negativity to thrive around their brand and then they turn around and reward the people who hate them most and smear them most, while they ignore the positive voices.

They could easily drop a well made trailer highlighting all the games they have published and secured this year, instead they are too busy showcasing old PS4 games to launch the most powerful and expensive console ever.

When they understand why the PS4 was able to turn the tides on Xbox One because we had people like Adam Boyes and Shu out there to engage and counter the BS.

Games can't do the talking anymore, that why Xbox has such vocals execs.

 

[anonpuffs]

No they just have REALLY SHITTY PR and they do not communicate with their base anymore, there's zero online presence to set the record straight.

They allow negativity to thrive around their brand and then they turn around and reward the people who hate them most and smear them most, while they ignore the positive voices.

They could easily drop a well made trailer highlighting all the games they have published and secured this year, instead they are too busy showcasing old PS4 games to launch the most powerful and expensive console ever.

When they understand why the PS4 was able to turn the tides on Xbox One because we had people like Adam Boyes and Shu out there to engage and counter the BS.

Games can't do the talking anymore, that why Xbox has such vocals execs.

There's that too but in the absence of Microsoft's influence the conversation would naturally much more neutral and objective.

 

[mibu no ookami]

No they just have REALLY SHITTY PR and they do not communicate with their base anymore, there's zero online presence to set the record straight.

They allow negativity to thrive around their brand and then they turn around and reward the people who hate them most and smear them most, while they ignore the positive voices.

They could easily drop a well made trailer highlighting all the games they have published and secured this year, instead they are too busy showcasing old PS4 games to launch the most powerful and expensive console ever.

When they understand why the PS4 was able to turn the tides on Xbox One because we had people like Adam Boyes and Shu out there to engage and counter the BS.

Games can't do the talking anymore, that why Xbox has such vocals execs.

There is the internet and there is the real world.

Sony doesn't need to pay or perk shills and influencers. That's Microsoft's tactic. Does that work on twitter, yt, and forums? Sure. But what do their real world sales look like?

You'll often see posts like this from people who are obsessed with consoles wars and the idea of Sony winning online arguments. The reality is Sony cares about sales and producing quality titles that sell, which is exactly what they've done this year and for the last decade or so.

 

[Danja]

There's that too but in the absence of Microsoft's influence the conversation would naturally much more neutral and objective.

Well yes! However we will never be rid of Microsoft in the gaming space, so are they gonna continue to sit and twiddled their thumbs as they lose the PR war?

 

[Danja]

There is the internet and there is the real world.

Sony doesn't need to pay or perk shills and influencers. That's Microsoft's tactic. Does that work on twitter, yt, and forums? Sure. But what do their real world sales look like?

You'll often see posts like this from people who are obsessed with consoles wars and the idea of Sony winning online arguments. The reality is Sony cares about sales and producing quality titles that sell, which is exactly what they've done this year and for the last decade or so.

The internet is also the real world? Were you dismissing the internet and the power of the snowball narrative when Sony was beating them at their own game between 2013 - 2018?

This whole we will let the games do the talking company wide approach and then the gutting of the PR department done by Jim Ryan will haunt them for awhile.

We just saw the internet kill one of their games, we also saw the internet forced them into bending a knee to PC players over Helldivers but sure


Real world and Internet aren't intertwined at all

 

[mibu no ookami]

If you go to the Steam Best Selling games (and some are currently on sale) in the top 20 games you see

Ghost of Tsushima
TLOU P1
Helldivers 2

And within the top 40

God of War
Marvel's Spider-Man Remastered
Pre-orders for God of War Ragnarok

People think these games don't sell because they don't sell millions within the first months, but the reality is looking at most PC games, their inflated numbers come from when they've been on sale for months and years.

When TLOU P2 releases on PC, TLOU P1 sales will pop. When Season 2 comes out on HBO both games will pop and they'll probably have some sort of double pack.

 

[Danja]

If you go to the Steam Best Selling games (and some are currently on sale) in the top 20 games you see

Ghost of Tsushima
TLOU P1
Helldivers 2

And within the top 40

God of War
Marvel's Spider-Man Remastered
Pre-orders for God of War Ragnarok

People think these games don't sell because they don't sell millions within the first months, but the reality is looking at most PC games, their inflated numbers come from when they've been on sale for months and years.

When TLOU P2 releases on PC, TLOU P1 sales will pop. When Season 2 comes out on HBO both games will pop and they'll probably have some sort of double pack.

There's currently a PlayStation Publisher sale happening on Steam with some games up to 75% off

 

[mibu no ookami]

There's currently a PlayStation Publisher sale happening on Steam with some games up to 75% off

Try reading people's posts. I mentioned that there is a sale.

Are any of the games I mentioned 75% off?

 

[Danja]

Try reading people's posts. I mentioned that there is a sale.

Are any of the games I mentioned 75% off?

The point of the post was the games aren't always that high, it's because of the sale sir.

 

[Gods&Monsters]

You would think PC gamers would love them because their PC games aside from a bad port from Iron Galaxy get a lot of love and attention from Nixxes and Jetpack Interactive. Most companies don't give a shit about the quality of their PC ports... Sony's are pretty consistently high quality.

PC gamers will always hate Sony. They just want them to port their games to PC so they can say consoles are useless. They are responsible for all the biggest Sony PR disasters this year like the PSN link and Helldivers review-bombing, Concord Steam CCU and the endless PS5 Pro - PC comparisons. Like Danja said, Sony rewards them by giving them more ports like Ragnarok

They are already shitting on PSSR because it's a threat to their beloved DLSS. Soon they will say upscaling is bad.

 

[Gods&Monsters]

If you go to the Steam Best Selling games (and some are currently on sale) in the top 20 games you see

Ghost of Tsushima
TLOU P1
Helldivers 2

And within the top 40

God of War
Marvel's Spider-Man Remastered
Pre-orders for God of War Ragnarok

People think these games don't sell because they don't sell millions within the first months, but the reality is looking at most PC games, their inflated numbers come from when they've been on sale for months and years.

When TLOU P2 releases on PC, TLOU P1 sales will pop. When Season 2 comes out on HBO both games will pop and they'll probably have some sort of double pack.

Imagine all the future sales they lost on PS5 Pro and PS6 because of these ports. Many won't even get the console at all.

These games also go up in the rankings when they are on sale on PSN and Sony would keep 100% of the profit. What a missed opportunity.

 

[lucasthebeast19]

No they just have REALLY SHITTY PR and they do not communicate with their base anymore, there's zero online presence to set the record straight.

They allow negativity to thrive around their brand and then they turn around and reward the people who hate them most and smear them most, while they ignore the positive voices.

They could easily drop a well made trailer highlighting all the games they have published and secured this year, instead they are too busy showcasing old PS4 games to launch the most powerful and expensive console ever.

When they understand why the PS4 was able to turn the tides on Xbox One because we had people like Adam Boyes and Shu out there to engage and counter the BS.

Games can't do the talking anymore, that why Xbox has such vocals execs.

vocal exacs don't really help Xbox at all when their sales been in the shitter since both Xbox series X and S launched and PlayStation is still beating them with barely any Internet presence all Phil does is lie whenever he speaks