Sony Pictures reportedly in talks to buy Paramount. |UP|Sony Makes $26 Billion All-Cash Offer for Paramount.
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We are getting Star Trek, TmNT and Sponge Bob
Spongebob must remain in american hands at all cost. Its a national treasure. hopefully its blocked.
They are getting WB next.
If FTC has an issue they will just point to MS with Activision-Blizzard-King-Bethesda or Disney Fox Marvel.
Let them compete
They will never get WB lol. Sony hasn't bought anything yet and needs apollo help to try to buy Paramount.They are getting WB next.
If FTC has an issue they will just point to MS with Activision-Blizzard-King-Bethesda or Disney Fox Marvel.
Let them compete
When are you going to get a goddamn Avatar ffs? You have been on the site for long enough now.
Sony Group Corp.'s shares slid the most in almost three months after its proposal to buy Paramount Global raised financing concerns.
Say goodbye to investments in Playstation. I thought they were gonna give SIE more of the spotlight.
Say goodbye to investments in Playstation. I thought they were gonna give SIE more of the spotlight.
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It's a poor analysis.
It's clear to any onlooker that Apollo not Sony would own CBS. Sony can own up to 25% of it and will probably retain that 25% ownership.
They have no idea how much Sony is paying of the 26 billion or how much they're going to pay in cash vs financed.
The deal will probably face scrutiny, but look at the debt Paramount has. They likely can't afford to go it on their own. When you look at big tech buying up the media landscape or edging out the studios, it becomes pretty ridiculous to just focus on 4 or 5 film studios while ignoring Amazon (who now owns MGM), Apple, and Netflix.
As for why this makes sense for Sony, it allows them to be the biggest player in TV/Movies and leveraging their size to stay competitive across media markets.
I've brought this up many times, but buying Paramount Global would allow them to create a superservice like Amazon Prime and Apple One. Something that no media company can do today, which will allow greater competition with tech giants.
Paramount Plus combined with PlayStation Plus combined with Crunchyroll is already the beginning of a superservice. People lack imagination and Sony isn't going to reveal all their plans before this bid even goes through, but I think it would also position them to buy Tidal or another music streaming service and combine it to create a TV/Movie/Anime/Gaming/Music superservice.
Apple One costs 20 dollars per month or 26 for a family plan. It includes Apple TV+, Apple Arcade, Apple Music, iCloud+, Apple Fitness+ and Apple News+.
Amazon Prime includes free 2 day shipping, amazon prime video, amazon prime music, amazon prime gaming, free cloud storage for photos, GrubHub+, amazon's selection of free reading material. It costs 14.99 a month
Netflix costs between 6.99 and 22.99 a month
Disney plus costs between 9.99 and 24.99 a month
Sony could probably sell a Sony+ subscription with PS+, Paramount+, Crunchyroll, and Tidal for 30 dollars per month. Individually they are
Paramount+ ad tier - 5.99
Paramount+ no ad tier- 11.99
PS+ Essential - 9.99
PS+ Extra. - 14.99
PS+ Premium - 17.99
Crunchyroll Premium - 7.99
Tidal - 10.99
Should note Extra and above comes with Ubisoft+ which they can easily get rid of. Separately that costs 7.99 for the version that comes with PS+ I believe.
The range of these combined runs from 35 dollars to 48.99
As a common bundle and removing Ubisoft+ I think you could easily swapout Crunchyroll fo ubisoft in PS+ Extra for the same price: 14.99. You take Tidal, PS+ Extra, and Paramount no ad tier and give a 30% bundle discount and you get $26.58.
I think that is a pretty compelling bundle.
And obviously you can play around with it in terms of paramount with or without ads and PS Extra vs Premium.
Do you think Sony should use some cash on hand to pay off some debt?
Since the Japan interest rate went positive from negetive 0.1% to positive 0 - 0.1%.
This is really minor but the BoJ will likely raise it further in the future.
Their debt is manageable. They still need to grow as quickly as they can.
They're getting hammered on the Paramount bid.
It looks like their plan though is to sell off most of the non film studio and IP assets immediately including Paramount+ so that is probably how they plan on paying for it. Disappointing decision, but maybe necessary in the short term.
More about prestige than potential in my opinion.
Since going to streaming, the movie business has been disappointing in terms of profits etc.
I think buying strong IP's in gaming etc is better.
Can you provide a breakdown of the strong IPs in gaming worth buying, how much it would cost to acquire them, and which of them have significant transmedia potential?
Thanks
The problem with that is its not the movie /tv business as a whole as there have been a few really good movies / tv shows, the problem with film is they keep shoving movies and tv shows out that no one wants to watch or is interested in.
I had to cancel my Disney+ for this very fact the Sub i had was all included for a fixed price till this month, i get a email saying they are increasing the price for what i pay for and it has been renamed to Disney+ Premium Plan.
Disney+ Premium Plan = the same shit for the low low price of.. fuck off
Its all about making and owning content people want to play/watch and as Sony has almost always been entertainment first, this does make sense for Sony as a whole but does nothing for Gaming.. Unless they can use some of the IP they gain and make games with said IPs.
From Soft IP's... Elden Ring, Bloodborne and even Sekiro. All of which have amazing atmosphere and strong creativity but that needs to translate through the director of other projects. Cost would be high now due to Elden Ring blowing up.
Genshin Impact, Destiny. (I think Genshin would be unobtainable)
GOW, Ghost of Tsushima, Helldivers (even if it retreads some of Starship troopers, it has enough clout now)
I would have said many of Capcoms IP's but they have been attempted and didnt do too well. They highlight the risk with trans-media and that if you don't have a strong creative vision, it's not worth tarnishing the brand IMO.
Some games are significantly smaller but have a strong atmosphere. If I was to pick an indie style game...it would be something like Sifu.
I've limited myself here by excluding all IP's owned by Microsoft and Nintendo or anything that would be very difficult for Sony to get.
Hasbro is a target I think of quite often... they have some incredible IP's for gaming. 8.5 Billion mkt cap, so above 12 billion to buy in likelihood.
Hasbro (HAS) - Market capitalization
As of September 2024 Hasbro has a market cap of $10.05 Billion. This makes Hasbro the world's 1720th most valuable company according to our data.
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From Soft IP's... Elden Ring, Bloodborne and even Sekiro. All of which have amazing atmosphere and strong creativity but that needs to translate through the director of other projects. Cost would be high now due to Elden Ring blowing up.
Genshin Impact, Destiny. (I think Genshin would be unobtainable)
GOW, Ghost of Tsushima, Helldivers (even if it retreads some of Starship troopers, it has enough clout now)
I would have said many of Capcoms IP's but they have been attempted and didnt do too well. They highlight the risk with trans-media and that if you don't have a strong creative vision, it's not worth tarnishing the brand IMO.
Some games are significantly smaller but have a strong atmosphere. If I was to pick an indie style game...it would be something like Sifu.
I've limited myself here by excluding all IP's owned by Microsoft and Nintendo or anything that would be very difficult for Sony to get.
Hasbro is a target I think of quite often... they have some incredible IP's for gaming. 8.5 Billion mkt cap, so above 12 billion to buy in likelihood.
Hasbro (HAS) - Market capitalization
As of September 2024 Hasbro has a market cap of $10.05 Billion. This makes Hasbro the world's 1720th most valuable company according to our data.
Half the IP you listed Sony already owns...
Buying FromSoftware wouldn't get you Sekiro. And there is no guarantee Elden Ring 2 sells half as much as the first game after casuals realized what kind of game it was.
The cost to buy FromSoftware would be in the billions. Is elden ring by itself worth that? Do you have GRR Martin's continued involvement which helped sell the game?
Nothing you mention shifts the needle at all for Sony...
Capcom's Ips i think translate easy into films. I wouldnt consider the RE or monster hunter movies high art or anything, but i think a competent director with a good budget could do more with those than what has been done.From Soft IP's... Elden Ring, Bloodborne and even Sekiro. All of which have amazing atmosphere and strong creativity but that needs to translate through the director of other projects. Cost would be high now due to Elden Ring blowing up.
Genshin Impact, Destiny. (I think Genshin would be unobtainable)
GOW, Ghost of Tsushima, Helldivers (even if it retreads some of Starship troopers, it has enough clout now)
I would have said many of Capcoms IP's but they have been attempted and didnt do too well. They highlight the risk with trans-media and that if you don't have a strong creative vision, it's not worth tarnishing the brand IMO.
Some games are significantly smaller but have a strong atmosphere. If I was to pick an indie style game...it would be something like Sifu.
I've limited myself here by excluding all IP's owned by Microsoft and Nintendo or anything that would be very difficult for Sony to get.
Hasbro is a target I think of quite often... they have some incredible IP's for gaming. 8.5 Billion mkt cap, so above 12 billion to buy in likelihood.
Hasbro (HAS) - Market capitalization
As of September 2024 Hasbro has a market cap of $10.05 Billion. This makes Hasbro the world's 1720th most valuable company according to our data.
Well I think Hasbro is the one that might make a difference but it's a huge buy and they could get the licenses.
But creativity always trumps just buying things... Nintendo proves that.
Thats why I champion keeping PS exclusives off other platforms unless they are live services. Nintendo model is the best.
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I think fans have a greater attachment for Square Enix than Sony would or should, and specifically a vocal minority of fans.
I would buy a number of Japanese publishers before Square Enix and as my avatar suggests FF7 is my favorite game.
You don't pay big money just for nostalgia.
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Well good for us, that you're not Sony. Just shared my opinion, and that's ultimately my stance. I don't believe that Sony will ever go after Bandai, Capcom or Sega.