Sony plans include PC Launcher, Cross-Buy, Cross-Save/Progression with PC, PS Plus on Fire Stick, Roku and Smart TVs

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Spiderman's 2022 PC version internal files showed they're planning not only Trophies for PC (which we've seen recently added to Ghost Of Tsushima Director's Cut PC via PlayStation Overlay), but it also showed they have a PC Store/Launcher in development with Cross-Buy, Cross-Save/Progression, the Launcher will be probably required to allow you to play the games on Steam, like EA App is required for EA games which justifies even singleplayer games like God Of War Ragnarok and Until Dawn now requiring a PSN account to play, you'll probably need to access the PlayStation Launcher to play these games via Steam just like you need a SocialClub launcher to play GTA V for example.
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leaked Insomniac Games files show they plan to put PS Plus back on Smart TVs and now even Fire Stick and Roku devices with the codename "Services 3.0, The Future of PS Plus" (Service 2.0 was Extra and Premium tiers added to PS Plus to replace PS Now in 2022)
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it's good to remember, PS Plus Premium Cloud capabilities already offer games from your library to play if you're a subscriber, you won't need a PlayStation to play games from your library, you'll be able to play it directly from your TV, Phone and Smart TV, but it depends on the publisher/game, games like God Of War Ragnarok and Cyberpunk 2077 who are not included in PS Plus Premium are already avaliable to play via Cloud if you own it.
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if i had to bet, i think we'll see the PC Launcher being released in 2025 and the PS Plus expansion to begin in early 2026 (they also need to bring datacenters to regions like South America, Oceania and even Asian regions, in countries from these continents, a variable named PS Plus Deluxe is avaliable not including the Cloud portion of the Premium tier, no PS3 catalog, no Cloud for PS4/5)
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Good thread.

Why push Plus, though? It's not GP, that's not their whole strategy? One of the questions ask:" Would expanding streaming to mobile, smart TVs, and browsers help us acquire and retain more subscribers?". What would that accomplish, other than pulling people away from your hardware? I've always maintained that lack of good games crippled xbox and GP killed it. Why try and expand plus in suck a way?
 
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Good thread.

Why push Plus, though? It's not GP, that's not their whole strategy? One of the questions ask:" Would expanding streaming to mobile, smart TVs, and browsers help us acquire and retain more subscribers?". What would that accomplish, other than pulling people away from your hardware? I've always maintained that lack of good games crippled xbox and GP killed it. Why try and expand plus in suck a way?
they seem to not care anymore about hardware exclusives, and they'll have a 1 - 2 year exclusivity window for games on the hardware, then they come to PC and Cloud at the same time, probably when the game is added to PS Plus, which we've seen with games they're putting on PC, it'll be a bigger expansion, and even Kenichiro Yoshida already stated PlayStation will be wherever there is computing. so, again, Smart TVs, Tablets, Phones, PCs, Smart Devices like FireStick/Roku and Consoles, Console will be just one option, you won't need it, only if you want to pay $70/$80 on each game and play it on release, people who wait will have it on every device by subscribing to Plus or buying/pirating the game on PC after the exclusivity window expires.
 
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i would expect God Of War Ragnarok to join the PS Plus Catalog of games in the Extra/Premium tiers within the next 3 months.
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they seem to not care anymore about hardware exclusives, and they'll have a 1 - 2 year exclusivity window for games on the hardware, then they come to PC and Cloud at the same time, probably when the game is added to PS Plus, which we've seen with games they're putting on PC, it'll be a bigger expansion, and even Kenichiro Yoshida already stated PlayStation will be wherever there is computing. so, again, Smart TVs, Tablets, Phones, PCs, Smart Devices like FireStick/Roku and Consoles, Console will be just one option, you won't need it, only if you want to pay $70/$80 on each game and play it on release, people who wait will have it on every device by subscribing to Plus or buying/pirating the game on PC after the exclusivity window expires.

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None of it makes sense. I know the info is right there but it's like reading something about someone who's randomly throwing stuff at a wall, hoping something sticks.

Sony can't be MS. They don't have as many IPs and they certainly don't have a foothold on PC with Windows. They depend on hardware. This just makes no sense. You do you, I guess. Can't bitch about it when it fails, though.
 
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Why push Plus, though?
To make more users and to have them more engaged and as a result to make more money and grow more.

It's what companies want.

It's not GP, that's not their whole strategy?
True, it isn't GP. It's just a small secondary part of Sony's total gaming strategy.

In particular, this PS+ expansion is part of Sony expanding to make PlayStation/PSN multiplatform and put your games playable everywhere and not only in the home console: PC, smartphones, tablets, tvs and so on. Where pretty likely in the future you'll also have playable the PS games you bought, at least via cloud gaming.

They aim to reach more players and to keep both the new ones and the current ones more engaged. And as a result, to make more money.
 
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idiots, Xbox has been doing this crap since 2016 and it's done nothing for them. The more you try to "expand" away from the console, the worse your brand becomes and the less relevant you get. And it just leads to inferior products for the customer and no real revenue gain for the company
 
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To make more users and to have them more engaged and as a result to make more money and grow more.

It's what companies want.


True, it isn't GP. It's just a small secondary part of Sony's total gaming strategy. In particular, this expansion is part of Sony expanding to make PlayStation/PSN multiplatform and put your games playable everywhere and not only in the home console: PC, smartphones, tablets, tvs and so on.
yeah, companies are never satisfied with what they have, they always want more, that's why you see so many broken business nowadays, hardware could be one for sony in the long term future, but short term profits seem more important to them so let them be.
 
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idiots, Xbox has been doing this crap since 2016 and it's done nothing for them. The more you try to "expand" away from the console, the worse your brand becomes and the less relevant you get. And it just leads to inferior products for the customer and no real revenue gain for the company
they'll surely grow Valve and Steam even more, that without a doubt
 
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None of it makes sense. I know the info is right there but it's like reading something about someone who's randomly throwing stuff at a wall, hoping something sticks.

Sony can't be MS. They don't have as many IPs and they certainly don't have a foothold on PC with Windows. They depend on hardware. This just makes no sense. You do you, I guess. Can't bitch about it when it fails, though.
that's what i've been saying here, if their hardware no longer sells, they'll rely on who? Valve? Nintendo? or will it be on the Cloud gamers who will never pay $70 for the right to stream a game? it's a very strange move coming from them (hardware company), but let them do it.
 
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I'm ok with this, better to give it an honest shot than to half-ass it, they were going to port everything anyway.
the problem is: we know this through leaks, they won't show us the truth vision for the next years, they're worse than Microsoft cause they make us buy their stuff to then drop the superior version on superior hardware and now subscritpion service, they should just be upfront and say: Games are going to PC and PS Plus after 18 - 24 months, you'll pay $10 more on each title than PC players, you'll pay an $80 year fee to play online on the same servers as the PC players who pay nothing but the game, but they are not, that's what pisses me off, they take advantage of console players, milk them with $10 upgrades, paid Multiplayer and $70 games, we're financing game experiences for PC players to play either for free (pirating) or paying less $50/$60
 

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yeah, companies are never satisfied with what they have, they always want more, that's why you see so many broken business nowadays, hardware could be one for sony in the long term future, but short term profits seem more important to them so let them be.
To be limited only to their console, and particularly regarding their 1st party games lineup to AAA SP games wouldn't be sustainable for the long term.

Without their tentpole AAA SP games they'd lose their brand, so their console would also die.

The only alternative to stop making SP games and killing their console is to expand their PS/PSN platform and games to PC, mobile, GaaS, etc.

we know this through leaks, they won't show us the truth vision for the next years,
They publicly said that had long term plans to expand their cloud gaming to PC, mobile and smart tvs back in 2013 and 2014 when they announced PS Now.

Later, in 2019 they shown a presentation in their IR repots of their next gen plans and it included to bring PS cloud gaming to PC, mobile, smart tvs, etc.

In recent years, every year they mentioned their plans and strategy to grow in console and also expand to PC, mobile and movies+tv shows.
 

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the problem is: we know this through leaks, they won't show us the truth vision for the next years, they're worse than Microsoft cause they make us buy their stuff to then drop the superior version on superior hardware and now subscritpion service, they should just be upfront and say: Games are going to PC and PS Plus after 18 - 24 months, you'll pay $10 more on each title than PC players, you'll pay an $80 year fee to play online on the same servers as the PC players who pay nothing but the game, but they are not, that's what pisses me off, they take advantage of console players, milk them with $10 upgrades, paid Multiplayer and $70 games, we're financing game experiences for PC players to play either for free (pirating) or paying less $50/$60
I hate the way they handle and communicate everything. It makes no sense to me and seems like they would be doing a lot better if they were just upfront and transparent.

They need to threat PS player with a lot more respect and players need to demand it or jump ship.
 
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To be limited only to their console, and particularly regarding their 1st party games lineup to AAA SP games wouldn't be sustainable for the long term.

Without their tentpole AAA SP games they'd lose their brand, so their console would also die.

The only alternative to stop making SP games and killing their console is to expand their PS/PSN platform and games to PC, mobile, GaaS, etc.


They publicly said that had long term plans to expand their cloud gaming to PC, mobile and smart tvs back in 2013 and 2014 when they announced PS Now.

Later, in 2019 they shown a presentation in their IR repots of their next gen plans and it included to bring PS cloud gaming to PC, mobile, smart tvs, etc.

In recent years, every year they mentioned their plans and strategy to grow in console and also expand to PC, mobile and movies+tv shows.
interesting, the model of buy to own that consoles offer wouldn't be sustainable for the long term? so let's bet on Cloud and Subscriptions, it surely will pay $200/300M budget first party games, expanding beyond the console is doing so well for Xbox GamePass, right? you see reports of millions and millions in growth every year, right? it's not like it is stagnated in numbers since 2022 despite 100B worth of investments in publishers and day one releases 🤔 this is so sustainable long term that MS is now relying on PlayStation and Nintendo TO SELL games.