Sony plans include PC Launcher, Cross-Buy, Cross-Save/Progression with PC, PS Plus on Fire Stick, Roku and Smart TVs
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A lot of those strengths are just due to the nature of PC as a platform.
Full discord usability? it's cause every PC has a keyboard and mouse built in. What would you do to remedy this, bundle a keyboard and mouse with every PS5?
Mod support? because the game files are open and accessible. You can't do this on console because the files are closed, and most companies aren't like bethesda where they will ask their players to make content for the game.
Retro emulation? That'd cause tensions between companies pretty quick if one of them (especially Nintendo) found out that people were using another system's competitor console to emulate their games. Look at what Nintendo does to rom sites on the daily.
Cheaper game prices? That already exists on console it's called the used physical market LOL
Extra controller options? that's thanks to all the drivers. Do you really expect Sony to code drivers to get an Xbox controller working on their console?
PC-exclusive games? The difference between exclusives on PC and exclusives on console is that PC exclusives just happen because of PC as a platform. Indies are PC exclusive because you don't need to pay to publish games (or it costs less) on PC. Others are PC exclusive simply because they take advantage of the platform too much, all those RT remasters of old games like Quake and Half Life 2. Or how Baldur's Gate 3 needed a month to get their game working on PS5 because of how KB&M focused the game is.
Better peak performance potential? Probably because you can upgrade a PC. Sony would probably have to manufacture a whole bunch of upgradeable parts and stuff just to get things working properly, or pay AMD to do it. That's a whole lot more cash for this operation that fundamentally undermines the point of a console....
Convenience of multitasking? That's thanks to software. Sony would have to create a fucking translation layer for the PS OS to get all that 30+ YEARS of Windows software running on their PS5, or convince major software developers to port over most of the relevant ones. Editing videos, 3d models, filling spreadsheets and music production on a fucking PlayStation? really man?
You basically want consoles to become PC- you are fundamentally undermining the pros of a console. A lot of the "convenience" and "ease of use" people admire in a console goes out the window pretty quick when you throw in different components and an open OS into the mix with pretty much all of these suggestions you made.
At this rate, you're better off convincing Sony to make their own Linux distro a la SteamOS, a PC launcher and just advice that people play their games on those instead of PS consoles from now on.
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On a PS5 you can buy used or make some of your money back by selling your games.
you mean like how 50% of the PS userbase is still on PS4?
Also, please stop with the "ps4 quality PC" rhetoric. The most popular card on the Steam Survey is the RTX 3060, which is around equivalent to a PS5's GPU with Nvidia's featureset.
Most of the cards following up are plenty capable too
What percent of PS4 users should be on PS5 by now?
What does the most popular have to do with a lot of users being on PS4 quality cards?
People really struggle with logic.
6 out of 12 doctors are 6 feet tall. A lot of doctors are under 6 ft tall (5).
What does 6 out of the 12 being 6 ft tall have to do with the 5 who are under 6 ft tall?
Yes, a company who hasn't put out a system seller in over a decade is evidence. This is laughable.
See above. I'm going to stop humoring you. Your arguments are getting worse and worse. It's embarrassing at this point. For me, because I took you seriously at one point.
You made up the 2-3 million number in the first place...
See above.
Asked and answered. I'm not even going to bother responding to the rest.
They could have come up with a PC strategy that would not play into their competitors, but they made everything harder for themselves. Releasing ports as Linux/SteamOS native only would have had a positive effect in the gaming industry, but instead, they are just helping MS keeping a grip on it. Idiots.
I'd say the reason of not releasing Linux/SteamOS ports is that amost all the PC gamers are on Windows instead, and Linux/SteamOS can already run properly their Windows games. So there's no point to waste resources on it.
Most PC game sales on Steam and most players only buy on Steam, so publishing on Steam is the way to reach most PC players. Makes more sense to start on Steam, build their PC library and fanbase and then later release their own store/launcher and slowly migrate their fanbase and library there as it keeps growing.
To build their own store, launcher etc. is so expensive and needs years to make it profitable specially if it doesn't start with a big library that can appeal customers.
To don't release their first PC games on Steam would have mean to have way less sales and way more costs, specially if also made Linux/Steam OS ports. So wouldn't have been as profitable as their current approach is.
You guys spent months kicking Microsoft’s back in for taking this route with Xbox.
Sony and Microsoft PC route are vastly different… I’m not even use why you use one as example of the other.
It's pretty obvious at this point we couldn't expect that level of foresight from Sony leadership, they simply don't think that deeply and are always focused on short term results.
Meanwhile, Valve, a company that could very well be coasting on their success under Windows is the one that actually cares about Linux gaming and releasing Linux gaming hardware (pretty much all other manufactures and most publisher prefer to stick to MS and empower them).
The PS results are very different to the Xbox, like night and day, because the SIE strategy is very different than the MS Gaming divison one.
It'd literally cost like $10 at most for Sony to do that. Cheap, decent USB KB&M are very affordable. Better yet, just add a keyboard-based backbone accessory for the DualSense.
Then get out there and start pushing quality curated mods for your games. Collaborate with modders in the PC space to get them on console versions,
They didn't seem to have lawsuits to push against Microsoft for letting Xbox consoles run emulators in Dev Mode :/
That's one thing we can agree on, but I'm talking about digital games. Especially as digital gradually takes over physical with time.
No. But I mainly meant stuff like KB&M. Even the Dreamcast had an official KB&M peripheral from SEGA back in the day. Given how hungry they are for peripherals, you'd think SIE would have a 1P KB&M option for console players of FPS games.
Speaking of BG3, they wouldn't have needed that month if SIE, y'know, had an official KB&M option for PS5 owners.
But we'd be talking about an SIE that cares about innovating beyond just power & graphics, and I don't think that SIE exists anymore.
It doesn't really undermine the point of a console this day and age though, considering Pro models are normal now and arguably already "undermine" the point of a console. It's probably why Microsoft will take a step in controlled upgrade modularity for the next Xbox hardware generation.
Convenience of multitasking? That's thanks to software. Sony would have to create a fucking translation layer for the PS OS to get all that 30+ YEARS of Windows software running on their PS5, or convince major software developers to port over most of the relevant ones. Editing videos, 3d models, filling spreadsheets and music production on a fucking PlayStation? really man?
SIE don't need Windows software. They could at least just port some of their productivity software over to the PS OS. That would be a start. Or take a page from the books of companies like Amiga back in the day, and make their own variants of other popular programs but specifically for PS OS.
People keep saying options are good, right? Why can't SIE innovate and add more value to PlayStation with these types of options? Expand it into a bit more of a microcomputer territory? But like I said, I don't think the SIE that cares about innovation beyond expected power & visuals exists anymore.
Again consoles ALREADY have seen feature creep over generations that arguably undermine your idea of what a "console" traditionally is. What are a few more features going to do, to upset that?
Especially if the company maintains ease-of-use, simplicity, security and stability while doing so? You know, the real conveniences of a console over a PC?
It depends on the approach. The idea itself is neutral; the implementation would decide if it's executed well or not. Just like almost any other idea in this space.
Hell at the rate SIE are going they won't need any convincing to do that; they'll jump at the opportunity themselves.
While letting Valve handle the hardware side.
If you think that's the only reason for Xbox's current state in the market, you're sorely mistaken.
Also, "system seller" != "quality game", inherently. Often they might, but there are a LOT of high-quality games that sell way less than a COD, GOW, Zelda etc. And arguably, MS did put out a few gems over the past 10 years. The Ori games, Cuphead, Forza Horizon 4 and Flight Simulator are good examples of this.
However, complications with brand association, and in the case of Forza & Flight Sim, lack of narrative or "hot" genre focus (in being too niche genre-wise), were bigger reasons why those games were either not big sellers or "system sellers" WRT Xbox consoles.
You took me seriously when I withheld my complaints about SIE's corporate direction in gaming. Now that I've become more vocal about them, you disregard what I have to say. Time will tell who's right.
It was a realistic estimate based on what's known about the market. And FWIW, when that Goldman Sachs investor asked Herman & Hideaki about the PC strategy affecting consoles, it didn't seem like either of them had more data to go with than we do here in spaces like these forums online :/
It's different in the how & when, but same in the what.
Which basically means, the only real difference between MS and Sony at this point when it comes to PC, is the timing cadence of their games to the platform. Otherwise, they've both seemingly committed to all their games there (or the vast majority of them). They've both committed to all their ports being on Steam Day 1 when it comes to PC launchers.
That is the what, and it's the same for the both of them.
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Yes, they have the data and mentioned it in their reply: their PC strategy isn't canibalizing users, it's providing new ones instead and they hope to use it to grow.
Nah, the strategy is very different:
- MS releases all their games on PC and a game sub day one, Sony doesn't: some of them never are ported/included in the sub, and when they do it for most of them isn't day one
- Every year the number of Sony PC ports of old games is smaller than the new (1st+3rd) PS exclusives games they release that year. That year there are also multiplatform console only games never released on PC, or released there after a timed exclusive. Meaning, every year the number of games that can be played on PS but not in PC increases
- Sony has a bigger and better catalog of old classics from previous generations on their console not available in PC
- Other than the PS games not available on PC, Sony also has every year the biggest and better selection of console exclusives(so keeps growing every year): games that may be on PC but aren't in other consoles temporally or permanently. That even includes VR games
PS doesn't have any problem: both their console and PC business/revenue/userbase grow. MS only grows via acquisition, adding the revenue from acquired companies on top.
Sony has the biggest console active userbase they ever had, MS instead has the worst market share they ever had. In the only region where PS5 isn't performing better than PS4 in hardware sales they are outperforming Xbox by a huge marging that keeps increasing as PS continues eating Xbox market share.
well for one thing that's extra packaging costs, and that extra "$10" for Sony is probably gonna be upcharged to 30 or 50 on the user end.
But also, what type of console gamer wants to see a mouse and keyboard on their console packaging? that'd drive away or upset people as they go here to avoid the PC experience. I doubt many people would end up using the packaged KB&M either, probably a 20% or 30% out of the user base. That's a whole lot of e-waste to account for.
I just said most companies don't want that.
On PC removing mods is a lot harder because it's an open platform and more community focused, so trying to strike down mods is trying to strike down a hydra. But on Console where corporations have more say, I don't think Sony's going to be able to just convince these guys to not only enable but promote and curate mods
The whole Dev Mode thing on MS's part was wishy washy at best, for a while people could use it, then all of a sudden it got disabled, than renabled again. I'm willing to bet that a lot of the reason on why they even disabled that was due to legal tensions from Nintendo on letting emulators freely be usable.
Pro models are an all in one optimized second sku for the console where the only customization needed is like the fuckin ssd
Modular upgrades are a lot more than just that. They are curated accessories that are to be inserted into the console and used accordingly. They modify the specs of each system. More work for Sony to do on optimizing the games to get the most out of each component (not to the same extent as PC) but more importantly more money on their part, AMD's part, pretty much everybody manufacturing this shit. Cerny would not only have to accomodate the IO but also design a modular system that's easy to upgrade and change and- THIS IS JUST A FUCKIN PC ALL OVER AGAIN. JUST DO THE LINUX BASED SONY PC OS MAN IT SAVES YOU HASSLE
It's a brand named PlayStation. That's not a name that sparks "Personal Computing device that Games but also files your taxes, 3d models, does spreadsheets and all that other junk"- it's a 90s gaming console name meant for a gaming console that games. And in Xbox's case the name is even worse. ECKSBAWKS. Try to convince businesses or even home families to buy that shit.
Not to mention the whole Amiga/Atari ST 80s concept of being different computers and different OSses... it's a dead approach for a reason. Only Apple has been able to do it well and even then they still lack the software compatibility and market share of Windows/PC. More OSes for devs to optimize their software for, different interfaces that need to be documented, etc. How would Playstation succeed with their hat in the ring- what would they offer to make their product worth buying not just in the console space but comptuers as a whole??? This isn't a rhetorical question or anything, I genuinely want to hear your explanation as it seems like a fun alternate reality to discuss how they'd (somehow) break into the PC market
Open OS means a lot more moving parts need to be accounted for. People can break the system, install viruses, cheats, easily pirate games, and all that other stuff. And keep in mind that while PC has had safety measures to combat those sorts of stuff, (DRM, Anticheat, Antivirus) Playstation hasn't because it never needed them- it's a closed platform and that detracts that other stuff by nature.
It would get you everything you wanted out of modern Playstation with a fraction of the work and expense on Sony's part.
@thicc_girls_are_teh_best best to just ignore people like @64bitmodels . He’s one of those hardcore OhNoItsAlex and Fritanga fans, the absolute worst subset of “PC gamers”
Stop talking like you know who the fuck I am. I'm pretty chummy with @thicc_girls_are_teh_best and none of this was intended to be combative until you butted your head in
