Sony Upscaling Patent - DF Indirect |UP| Insider gaming states Super Resolution will be aiming for 4K120FPS

[Gamernyc78]

DF InDirect is a new supporter-only show - and here's a sampler

Here's a sneak peek of Digital Foundry's new supporter-only questions and answers show, DF InDirect. Rich Leadbetter explains why it's starting now.

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You can see our response below, but ultimately, the recent announcement from AMD itself that it's looking for machine learning-based upscaling solutions for 'game devices' isn't a particularly good fit for the mechanics of the patent. On top of that, many patents are filed but very few constitute detailed 'tell all' descriptions of actual shipping products. Based on our own thoughts and those of developers we've spoken to familiar with upscaling technology, this looks like an interesting thought experiment - but we'd be surprised to see this actually manifest in PlayStation 5 Pro.
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New Sony Patent Seems to Support the Recent PS5 Pro Rumors

A new patent filed by Sony seems to support the recent leaks about the PlayStation 5 Pro and one of its biggest rumored features.

gamerant.com

• Sony patents suggest the PlayStation 5 Pro may feature a proprietary hardware-driven upscaling technology similar to Nvidia's DLSS.
• The patent describes a method of using Asset Aware Data and Level Of Detail data to improve visuals and performance in gaming.

PlayStation 5 Pro AI Upscaling Hinted At By AMD Chief Technology Officer

AMD CTO revealed that 2024 will be the year of deployment for AI upscaling in their gaming devices, strongly hinting at the PlayStation 5 Pro AI upscaling features

wccftech.com

Update 3/18/24 Insider gaming

PLAYSTATION’S SPECTRAL SUPER RESOLUTION (PSSR) IS AIMING FOR 4K 120FPS & 8K 60FPS​

PlayStation's Spectral Super Resolution (PSSR) is Aiming for 4K 120FPS & 8K 60FPS

PlayStation's new Spectral Super Resolution (PSSR), which will be added into the PlayStation 5 Pro is aiming for 4K 120 FPS and 8K 60FPS.

insider-gaming.com

 

[Gamernyc78]

Besides them promoting their new section I am really interested to see how this tech pans out for PS6 or maybe even the pro.

 

[Evilnemesis8]

This new show seems like a pretty interesting one in terms of their "Direct" family.
I always found that due to time constraint, Their Q&A sections on Directs could be a bit hit and miss depending on knowledgeable the panel could be and/or had time to research a little bit on any particular subject before they had to record.

Granted, this new Sony Patent is probably not the best example of it, but I think it's more because patents usually don't really reveal that much.
Like Richard said, That bit about the filing being from London is a quite sad considering the circumstances ;_;

Edit: It does seem to be in-line with their previous upscaling solutions though.

 

[Muddasar]

Besides them promoting their new section I am really interested to see how this tech pans out for PS6 or maybe even the pro.

PS5 pro most likely will be the testbed for this new tech just like the PS4 pro was for checkerboard.

 

[xollowsob]

I wish the software side of playstation had the same work ethic as the hardware side. The PS5 console (including dual shock) and PSVR2 are so far beyond the competition that it's almost unbelievable.

Cerny is a magician.

 

[Gamernyc78]

PS5 pro most likely will be the testbed for this new tech just like the PS4 pro was for checkerboard.

I welcome it.

 

[Gamernyc78]

PlayStation 5 Pro AI Upscaling Hinted At By AMD Chief Technology Officer

AMD CTO revealed that 2024 will be the year of deployment for AI upscaling in their gaming devices, strongly hinting at the PlayStation 5 Pro AI upscaling features

wccftech.com

AI upscaling is set to be deployed starting this year in AMD's gaming devices, which include the yet-to-be-revealed PlayStation 5 Pro and PlayStation 6.

Speaking with the No Priors: AI, Machine Learning, Tech, & Startups YouTube channel in a new interview, AMD Chief Technology Officer Mark Papermaster talked about what's next for the company regarding AI, saying that 2024 is a huge year for AMD, as they just completed AI enabling in their entire portfolio. 2024 is also a huge deployment year for them, as they are enabling their gaming devices to upscale using AI, hinting at the fact that devices available or launching this year will be able to do so. As the next generation consoles are launching in a few years, this statement seems to strongly hint that the yet-to-be-revealed PlayStation 5 Pro, rumored to launch later this year, will indeed feature AI upscaling.

While PlayStation 5 Pro is almost certainly going to support AI upscaling, it is going to run on the GPU, as the Viola APU that will power the system has no NPUs, according to known AMD leaker Kepler. While the leaker was dubious about AI upscaling even being a thing for the console without Sony sharing its R&D efforts with AMD, today's statement seems to confirm how the companies actually worked together on it.

 

[Gamernyc78]

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[Gamernyc78]

PLAYSTATION’S SPECTRAL SUPER RESOLUTION (PSSR) IS AIMING FOR 4K 120FPS & 8K 60FPS​

PlayStation's Spectral Super Resolution (PSSR) is Aiming for 4K 120FPS & 8K 60FPS

PlayStation's new Spectral Super Resolution (PSSR), which will be added into the PlayStation 5 Pro is aiming for 4K 120 FPS and 8K 60FPS.

insider-gaming.com

 

[Nhomnhom]

Some sort of frame generation from 30 to 60 and from 60 to 120 would be very interesting and would explain why they didn't bother too much with the CPU.

I never used it on my PC to know if it's actually any good but people praise NVidia for it.

 

[iAMJeffy]

HUGE if true for that target with PSSR

 

[Gamernyc78]

I think this is going to be the real deal and surprise alot

 

[AllBizness]

I'm thinking 4k120 fps will be for PS6 with PSSR, PS5 Pro will be 4k60 fps with PSSR.

 

[Nhomnhom]

I'm thinking 4k120 fps will be for PS6 with PSSR, PS5 Pro will be 4k60 fps with PSSR.

PS6 will rely even more on PSSR and reconstruction, it's clearly the way things are going on PC too.

DLSS has been a huge advantage for Nvidia in the past years and major hurdle for AMD.

Frame generation is probably the next step, 60 to 120 should be relatively easy to do. Console players are already used to bad input lag anyway and there is a lot of optimization that could be done to improve that on PlayStation to compensate for the additional input lag of frame generation.

 

[Entropi]

I'm thinking 4k120 fps will be for PS6 with PSSR, PS5 Pro will be 4k60 fps with PSSR.

That is stated in the insider gaming article. It looks like 4K-120 is for the PS6.

I feel like the majority of the games I own on PS5 have a 60fps option, which is already great.

 

[ethomaz]

Hardware stagnated.
Platforms choosing performance over quality.

Sadly times for us gamers.

 

[Gamernyc78]

That is stated in the insider gaming article. It looks like 4K-120 is for the PS6.

I feel like the majority of the games I own on PS5 have a 60fps option, which is already great.

Yup and I love it. I remember when they said this gen was going to still mostly be 30fps bullshit, at least not the games I'm playing.

 

[Nhomnhom]

Yup and I love it. I remember when they said this gen was going to still mostly be 30fps bullshit, at least not the games I'm playing.

120 would be a really bad use of resources unless it's achieved with some sort of frame generation technology.

The future now is to use AI instead of fully rendering every frame and every pixel.

 

[Entropi]

Yup and I love it. I remember when they said this gen was going to still mostly be 30fps bullshit, at least not the games I'm playing.

Four years in, and there is like maybe a dozen 30fps-only games out there on PS5. This gen has been amazing.

 

[Muddasar]

Hardware stagnated.
Platforms choosing performance over quality.

Sadly times for us gamers.

Better Performance from AI/Machine Learning/PSSR brings better quality.