Sony will start disclosing software sales outside of PS5, including sales on PC & Sony stopped disclosing PS Plus numbers

[Yurinka]

I think people are buying games and not gravitating to subscription services. As a whole, this is a win for the industry.

Facts say the opposite, people is spending more than ever on Sony's game subscription.

Sony reported for this quarter an increase in the revenues from game subscriptions compared to the previous year.

It's better to hide the numbers and just show the dollar amount instead (it's always going up).

Microsoft will use these numbers when they move every silver and gold member on PC/Xbox to "Core" and brag they beat Sony. Fake numbers as usual.

It has to be the same reason every other company stops reporting numbers.

Growth stops.

They all do it.

As I posted above Sony continues reporting it, and numbers keep growing very well. In addition to this, some other times they had decreases and posted them so I don't think this is the issue. They don't seem to have hiding to hide.

Maybe Sony thinks that what it's important is the revenue, and not if they have more or less subs who may only payed almost nothing for a cheap promotion etc.

Also, now they have the multi-tiered system instead of a single one and seems that in the beta they have the other cloud gaming initiative, which may also contribute to that network services revenue.

There's also the Project Q to be released, and cloud gaming for mobile may also be released somewhere soon.

There's a big increase in the related network services revenue, which means that numbers go up and not down. So they don't have anything to hide, pretty likely they prefered to change how to report this because of recent or upcoming changes regarding PS Plus/cloud gaming/network services.

Edit: In the Q&A they have been asking about them about the change in PS+ reporting, and the reply -or the translation- wasn't very clear but linked it to Extra and Premium and their multiplatform approach of PC sales that they'll start reporting now. Maybe they meant that will report it separatedly for PC (and maybe soon mobile?) as they will do with games, since remember you can get PS+ to play cloud gaming on PC.

They did announce that TLoU 2 sold over 10+ million last June.

Yes, back in June 2022, more than a year ago, they mentioned that as of Spring 2022 it had sold over 10M copies.

https://blog.playstation.com/2022/06/09/the-growing-future-of-the-last-of-us/

Their first party sales has been on decline since PS5 launched barring Ragnarok. They'll never be transparent about them again unless a record is broken.

No, these are the first party sales for this quarter and the previous fiscal year. They are flat YoY in sales but this year they didn't have any release this quarter and only Horizon VR in the previous one. While a year ago they had HFW, GT7 and the Uncharted Collection in the previous quarter:

So in this content flat YoY sales unit is positive.

And as far as I remember God of War Ragnarok, Horizon Forbidden West, Returnal and Gran Turismo 7 were the fastest selling games ever in the history of these studios and franchises. Can't remember now, but maybe Rift Apart is also the fastest selling Ratchet game ever.

God of War Ragnarok was even the fastest selling PS exclusive ever.

when will they start disclosing this? Soon? Or do they mean in future earnings reports?

They provide extra detail in the fiscal reports of the end of each fiscal year. They are more detailed than the ones from the other quarters. So maybe are reported there.

 

[Sircaw]

Yuh huh huh
By the way I heard that pirating in North America/Europe only caused the ISP to cut your Internet right.

Because in my country, pirating would get you arrested.

Where are you from m8?

 

[VillaiN]

Their first party sales has been on decline since PS5 launched barring Ragnarok. They'll never be transparent about them again unless a record is broken.

What in hell re u talking about??

 

[historia]

Where are you from m8?

Japan. Apparently a few years ago they pass nationwide bill to crack down on piracy and after then it is wild. Pirated discs shop closing fast, sites hosting pirated films, comics and animations started closing or got siezed by the government and owners go to jail. Sports streaming also got slashed which is damn shame because shitty right because rightholders don't have streaming capabilities, I have to watch football on some Taiwan/Chinese streams which are better than whatever they comes up with

Kinda funny because in 2000s everyone and their mothers use burnt discs.

 

[gokuss4]

Either remove my warning for "promoting piracy", makes no sense since I'm one the most anti-piracy users here or delete my account.

Pretty obvious how moderation in here turns against you if you have any criticism towards PlayStation. Bye.

Calm down and come back
We all need to be united against M$ corruption

 

[Systemshock2023]

Japan is mad serious about piracy. Imagine going to jail for downloading a Mario 64 hacked ROM with stone cold Steve Austin as Mario.

Nintendo makes Shinra look like a mom and pop store.

 

[FatKaz]

Yuh huh huh
By the way I heard that pirating in North America/Europe only caused the ISP to cut your Internet right.

I've never heard of that in the UK.

Most of what i heard was the ISPs send a letter just warning you. It would be a waste of time cutting someones internet, as they could just hop onto another isp.

Normally what ever company that gets hired to enforce the copyright are ones who chase you by getting your details via your isp and then taking you too court.

 

[Dr Bass]

To be honest it looked like he was just joking.

Which is why I said it was "pretty easy to be interpreted."

As in, it could be taken a couple different ways.

If you're gonna make jokes on a forum you gotta be good with your word smithing. @Sircaw can always offer some pointers.

 

[Yurinka]

You you just read one doc lol
Read more.

If you can't understand that Network Services includes way more things thanyou believe then nobody can helps you... neither Sony.

I assume this definition may be old, from when they had PlayStation Music and sold movies on PS. But at some point they replaced PlayStation Music with Spotify and got rid of their movie store.

So there's only PS Plus left after they merged it with PS Now. I don't know if it's still alive, but they did open a beta for a movie/tv show streaming service in Poland or a country like that so maybe it also generates some small residual revenue, but not something relevant.

Looking at the previous quarters and statements, their network services revenue grow is related mostly to PS Plus subbers migrating to higher tiers.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Sony Too does what Xbox does as well

 

[ethomaz]

I assume this definition may be old, from when they had PlayStation Music and sold movies on PS. But at some point they replaced PlayStation Music with Spotify and got rid of their movie store.

So there's only PS Plus left after they merged it with PS Now. I don't know if it's still alive, but they did open a beta for a movie/tv show streaming service in Poland or a country like that so maybe it also generates some small residual revenue, but not something relevant.

Looking at the previous quarters and statements, their network services revenue grow is related mostly to PS Plus subbers migrating to higher tiers.

They have more things yet.
There are advertising that is posted on Network Services.

People trying to say Network Service is just PS+ is just wrong because Sony always said they put more things related there.

For example in previous quarters they had revenue drop Network Services even so their subscription increased.

To be fair after the Extra and Premium/Deluxe launch the NS revenue is being very flat… increase 2-3% in a quarter drops 2-3% in the next one…. this will be the last quarter with a significant YoY grow to NS… next quarter in previous year was 117k that is very close to this quarter…. unless of course next quarter you have a boom like 130-140k.

 

[anonpuffs]

Japan. Apparently a few years ago they pass nationwide bill to crack down on piracy and after then it is wild. Pirated discs shop closing fast, sites hosting pirated films, comics and animations started closing or got siezed by the government and owners go to jail. Sports streaming also got slashed which is damn shame because shitty right because rightholders don't have streaming capabilities, I have to watch football on some Taiwan/Chinese streams which are better than whatever they comes up with

Kinda funny because in 2000s everyone and their mothers use burnt discs.

They even started jailing people who upload manga scans to the intenet

 

[PropellerEar]

Either remove my warning for "promoting piracy", makes no sense since I'm one the most anti-piracy users here or delete my account.

Pretty obvious how moderation in here turns against you if you have any criticism towards PlayStation. Bye.

I think I got the original message of criticism from the original post, and even pretty much agree with it.
Was reminiscent of some @Bryank75 s old posts.

Warning here or there does it really matter?

 

[Gods&Monsters]

PC is the best place to play Sony games. Payment is optional, improved settings and performance.

If there is no PS5 Pro and a change in direction, as well as many more announcements I'm out when my PS+ sub expires next year. I'm not going to support them if they threat me like a second class citizen.

Shame on the mod that gave me a warning for it. Should've been a man instead and just told me to my face you don't want me here instead of playing these petty games. I'm out, now you can all praise Sony without much criticism, congratulations on the echo chamber.

@TubzGaming please delete that banner. It would be a shame to lose a good member just because of this

 

[Nhomnhom]

I think I got the original message of criticism from the original post, and even pretty much agree with it.
Was reminiscent of some @Bryank75 s old posts.

Warning here or there does it really matter?

It's the message it sends, it's how you end up with a forum like Neogaf and Resetera. Everyone afraid to speak their mind on the most harmless subjects.

The warning itself is not important but the fact that the mod figured he had to issue it over an observation and then can't remove it shows that a regular user is seen as bellow the mods.

 

[Yurinka]

They have more things yet.
There are advertising that is posted on Network Services.

People trying to say Network Service is just PS+ is just wrong because Sony always said they put more things related there.

Well, as mentioned above sometimes Sony mentioned that this was -at least for the G&NS segment- PS Plus and PS Now.

For example in previous quarters they had revenue drop Network Services even so their subscription increased.

I think you had a mistake: some recent quarters quarters they had a slight decrease in subs but a high increase in revenue due to -according to them- people migrating to higher PS+ tiers.

If there's some other quarter where they had a small increase in subs but a small decrease in revenue could be explained by changes in currency exchange.

To be fair after the Extra and Premium/Deluxe launch the NS revenue is being very flat… increase 2-3% in a quarter drops 2-3% in the next one…. this will be the last quarter with a significant YoY grow to NS… next quarter in previous year was 117k that is very close to this quarter…. unless of course next quarter you have a boom like 130-140k.

Not true. This quarter they had 16.88% up YoY in NS revenue.

The only decrease has been only -if you only look at QoQ instead YoY- after the Q3, because obviously it's the Holidays quarter so there's a peak there every year and this is why companies look at YoY instead of QoQ:

All of them have been the all time record Q1, Q2, Q3 or Q4 ever for any console maker.

The Premium tier almost triplied the PS Now numbers in less than a year, which combined with the Extra groth explains that increase in revenue.

 

[Sircaw]

I think I got the original message of criticism from the original post, and even pretty much agree with it.
Was reminiscent of some @Bryank75 s old posts.

Warning here or there does it really matter?

I personally think we should just ban @Bryank75 and be done with all the aggravation.

 

[PropellerEar]

I personally think we should just ban @Bryank75 and be done with all the aggravation.

I agree, but who can say no to these puppy dog eyes.

 

[Cool hand luke]

Well, as mentioned above sometimes Sony mentioned that this was -at least for the G&NS segment- PS Plus and PS Now.


I think you had a mistake: some recent quarters quarters they had a slight decrease in subs but a high increase in revenue due to -according to them- people migrating to higher PS+ tiers.

If there's some other quarter where they had a small increase in subs but a small decrease in revenue could be explained by changes in currency exchange.



Not true. This quarter they had 16.88% up YoY in NS revenue.

The only decrease has been only -if you only look at QoQ instead YoY- after the Q3, because obviously it's the Holidays quarter so there's a peak there every year and this is why companies look at YoY instead of QoQ:

All of them have been the all time record Q1, Q2, Q3 or Q4 ever for any console maker.

The Premium tier almost triplied the PS Now numbers in less than a year, which combined with the Extra groth explains that increase in revenue.

I expect capitulation from @ethomaz any minute now.

 

[Remij]

It's the message it sends, it's how you end up with a forum like Neogaf and Resetera. Everyone afraid to speak their mind on the most harmless subjects.

The warning itself is not important but the fact that the mod figured he had to issue it over an observation and then can't remove it shows that a regular user is seen as bellow the mods.

Don't post too many negative PS comments in a row... the system will flag you and you'll get banned. You have to spread it out and throw in some unquestionably positive opinions regarding PS in between... lest you want certain posters like @KnittedKnight and @riesgoyfortuna to cry about it.

These guys can't take any criticism or Playstation negativity at all.