Switch 2 rumor |OT| launch at $400. |UP| Successor to switch will be announced at end of fiscal year.

[peter42O]

Just give me 1440p/60fps docked and have all the Switch games be backwards compatible and upgraded for the Super Switch and im most likely in day one. And if Nintendo were to bring back Virtual Console like it was on Wii where you could just buy NES, SNES, etc. games, oh man, that would be great!!

 

[Box]

Just give me 1440p/60fps docked and have all the Switch games be backwards compatible and upgraded for the Super Switch and im most likely in day one. And if Nintendo were to bring back Virtual Console like it was on Wii where you could just buy NES, SNES, etc. games, oh man, that would be great!!

And please for the love of God just sell the Gb and GBA Pokemon games, don't wait until the end of the life like the 3DS

 

[Plextorage]

1. The screen will be upgraded to an 8-inch display, supporting 1080P resolution.

These are just some of the hardware information we've got, and not the full extent.

From a hardware perspective, the Switch 2 inherits the dual-mode feature of its predecessor, continuing Nintendo's conservative approach to hardware."

So, regarding jump in power, possible smaller jump NSW > NSW2 than it was WiiU - NSW??

 

[Eternal_Wings]

The Switch 2 will be as its predecessor bei g totally outdated in tech. Nintendo fanboys doing this each time before the generational shift. Back then when the Internet was flooded with NX rumours (Codename Switch) they claimed it would be as powerful or even more than as PS4. Drones have a short memory, they have forgotten that Nintendo got burned twice with powerful hardware. N64 and NGC were both a fiasco for Nintendo. Nintendo can't afford to subsidize their hardware, it needs to be on Day 1 in the profit zone. They dream of DSSL and 4K...Do you know how expensive Nintendo would need to sell a console in Handheld form factor to reach what a PS4 Pro could do? Components for mobile systems usually more expensive than for consoles. There is just no reality where Nintendo would accept a loss on hardware sales. Nintendo fanboys need to stop dreaming of something impossible. The only Handheld which can achieve 1440p is the Lenovo Legion GO and has a price tag between 799-1000. A 400 dollar priced Handheld won't be powerful in performance. I except a technical performance something at the range of PS4 Vanilla.

 

[Gamernyc78]

The Switch 2 will be as its predecessor bei g totally outdated in tech. Nintendo fanboys doing this each time before the generational shift. Back then when the Internet was flooded with NX rumours (Codename Switch) they claimed it would be as powerful or even more than as PS4. Drones have a short memory, they have forgotten that Nintendo got burned twice with powerful hardware. N64 and NGC were both a fiasco for Nintendo. Nintendo can't afford to subsidize their hardware, it needs to be on Day 1 in the profit zone. They dream of DSSL and 4K...Do you know how expensive Nintendo would need to sell a console in Handheld form factor to reach what a PS4 Pro could do? Components for mobile systems usually more expensive than for consoles. There is just no reality where Nintendo would accept a loss on hardware sales. Nintendo fanboys need to stop dreaming of something impossible. The only Handheld which can achieve 1440p is the Lenovo Legion GO and has a price tag between 799-1000. A 400 dollar priced Handheld won't be powerful in performance. I except a technical performance something at the range of PS4 Vanilla.

Thnks.

 

[Gamernyc78]

Nintendo Switch 2 May Hit 4 Teraflops in Docked Mode; Will Be Clocked "Crazy Low" in Handheld Mode

According to rumors circulating online, NVIDIA wanted to get near 4 teraflops with the Nintendo Switch 2 in docked mode

wccftech.com

 

[Johnic]

Nintendo Switch 2 May Hit 4 Teraflops in Docked Mode; Will Be Clocked "Crazy Low" in Handheld Mode

According to rumors circulating online, NVIDIA wanted to get near 4 teraflops with the Nintendo Switch 2 in docked mode

wccftech.com

Rough. They'll be lagging 2 gens behind in a few years again.

I just want them to confirm BC.

 

[Gamernyc78]

Rough. They'll be lagging 2 gens behind in a few years again.

I just want them to confirm BC.

You know thts inevitable.

 

[Eternal_Wings]

Nintendo Switch 2 May Hit 4 Teraflops in Docked Mode; Will Be Clocked "Crazy Low" in Handheld Mode

According to rumors circulating online, NVIDIA wanted to get near 4 teraflops with the Nintendo Switch 2 in docked mode

wccftech.com

Lol for Ray Tracing and "Nintendo does a lot of optimization work to achieve the best possible visuals"
That ain't gonna happen.

 

[ToTTenTranz]

Accessory manufacturers have been able to touch the console but not see it (i.e. the console was inside of a black box, so they could touch it but not see how it actually looks)

This sounds ridiculous and made up. Why would they do this? What's its purpose?

Nintendo Switch 2 May Hit 4 Teraflops in Docked Mode; Will Be Clocked "Crazy Low" in Handheld Mode

According to rumors circulating online, NVIDIA wanted to get near 4 teraflops with the Nintendo Switch 2 in docked mode

wccftech.com

A couple of points about this, that wccftech misses:

- Ampere uses double-pumped FP32 ALUs like RDNA3. The ~20 TFLOPs RTX3070 has similar performance to the 12 TFLOPs RX6700 XT. This means that 4 TFLOPs in Ampere would be similar to a ~2.4 TFLOPs RDNA2 GPU or a ~4.5 TFLOPs RDNA3 GPU. As a comparison, the 780M in the ROG Ally or Legion Go reaches 8 TFLOPs and Strix Point devices appearing in late 2024 / early 2025 might go above 12 TFLOPs (not that TFLOPs paint the full story).


- Neither Cary Goulomb / ThePhawx nor MLID know the GPU clocks for docked or handheld. IMO they're being awfully optimistic about how high the GPU will clock in both handheld and docked mode.
We know that in the current Orin SoCs built on the same Samsung 8nm, every 1 TFLOPs FP32 of GPU results in about 10W of power in that package.
The Orin NX 32GB with 1792 shaders doing 3.4 TFLOPs pushes up to 40W. Expecting the Switch 2 to do 4 TFLOPs in what should be less than 20W is just crazy. This isn't an Apple chip that uses TSMC's latest and greatest N3 process. This is Nintendo using a half-node of 10nm that dates all the way back to 2019 and on a chip that's been ready for over 2 years and sitting around ever since.


- When MLID asked them if the clocks on handheld were around 800MHz and they answered "below that", well of course it is. The Ampere GPU in the Orin Nano using 7-15W power clocks at 625MHz for "Max Frequency", meaning if SoC is set to 7W then the GPU is clocking below 625MHz. Probably less than 500MHz.

 

[ethomaz]

Nintendo Switch 2 May Hit 4 Teraflops in Docked Mode; Will Be Clocked "Crazy Low" in Handheld Mode

According to rumors circulating online, NVIDIA wanted to get near 4 teraflops with the Nintendo Switch 2 in docked mode

wccftech.com

I really doubt it... the form fact doesn't allow it.

Unless they are talking about FP16... so I believe it.

 

[Gamernyc78]

Seeing is believing.

The Switch 2 will be weaker than a Steamdeck and that barely gets 30fps on current gen games.

Yeah it will be weaker. We already know how Nintendo operates.

 

[Muddasar]

Yeah it will be weaker. We already know how Nintendo operates.

Yep.

Profit above everything.

Nintendo fans alway hype specs before announcement only to be disappointed.

It will release at 350 dollars max and the specs will be worth 200 dollars.

 

[Gamernyc78]

Yep.

Profit above everything.

Nintendo fans alway hype specs before announcement only to be disappointed.

It will release at 350 dollars max and the specs will be worth 200 dollars.

Hey at least you can play Mario with a little more definition

 

[Muddasar]

This isn't PR at all, this is someone digging into code.

That said, I am on record saying Switch 2 will have PS4 equivalent graphics and am sticking to that.

The Steamdeck is PS4 equivalent and that sells for 400 pounds here.

Nintendo isn’t releasing anything that powerful at that price.

No profit to be made.

 

[Gamernyc78]

I mean switch is probably like 1TF in hypothetical comparison to consoles so I don't think PS4 levels is out of the realm. I expect as much as PS4 is only like 1.8 TF. What it won't be is stronger than tht.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

I see some people very conveniently trying to downplay the next Switch because they're probably scared it'll be a threat to their favorite plastic device.

History's shown that Nintendo doesn't intentionally aim for weak graphics; they just wait until costs are reasonable to where they don't lose money upfront on the hardware, and provide what can be offered in the package to that time. Since they release off-cycle compared to other platforms, it'd usually give them the upper hand in specs if talking same device form factor. We saw this with the SNES, N64, and GameCube. We saw it again with the Wii U too, technically.

Two reasons it didn't happen with the Switch are because 1: It was Nintendo's first time rolling the home console & handheld lines into a single device type (hybrid) and, 2: they were in a tough spot coming off Wii U plus Nvidia's mobile-based tech wasn't great at the time (Tegra had largely failed).

Now they have hybrid system experience, and Nvidia's had several massive advances in GPU feature sets since 2016. I'm still not expecting Switch 2 to perform at PS5 or Series X levels even when docked; no one should. But I bet it'll perform a lot better than many of you here want to think it will, performance-wise. I can definitely see it getting near or even beating Series S level performance when docked. It'll just come down to the CPU, really.

 

[Muddasar]

I mean switch is probably like 1TF in hypothetical comparison to consoles so I don't think PS4 levels is out of the realm. I expect as much as PS4 is only like 1.8 TF. What it won't be is stronger than tht.

Just an educated guess.

The Steamdeck is 1.6TF which at 399 pounds/dollars was selling at a loss.

I doubt Nintendo will match that unless they charge 499 for the Switch 2.

Nintendo as we all know rarely sell hardware at a loss even at launch.

Not to forget Nintendo are using Nvidia components which are more expensive too.

 

[Gamernyc78]

I see some people very conveniently trying to downplay the next Switch because they're probably scared it'll be a threat to their favorite plastic device.

History's shown that Nintendo doesn't intentionally aim for weak graphics; they just wait until costs are reasonable to where they don't lose money upfront on the hardware, and provide what can be offered in the package to that time. Since they release off-cycle compared to other platforms, it'd usually give them the upper hand in specs if talking same device form factor. We saw this with the SNES, N64, and GameCube. We saw it again with the Wii U too, technically.

Two reasons it didn't happen with the Switch are because 1: It was Nintendo's first time rolling the home console & handheld lines into a single device type (hybrid) and, 2: they were in a tough spot coming off Wii U plus Nvidia's mobile-based tech wasn't great at the time (Tegra had largely failed).

Now they have hybrid system experience, and Nvidia's had several massive advances in GPU feature sets since 2016. I'm still not expecting Switch 2 to perform at PS5 or Series X levels even when docked; no one should. But I bet it'll perform a lot better than many of you here want to think it will, performance-wise. I can definitely see it getting near or even beating Series S level performance when docked. It'll just come down to the CPU, really.

No, I think ppl are just looking at everthing after the GameCube and their philosophy of being very budget conscious and maximizing profit more than all other companies. It's the same with how they sell their games which never drop in price, hardware, etc... As most know here Nintendo is in their own lane and as such it doesn't even matter if it's more powerful than the competition thy will sell what thy sell and ppl will still buy a PlayStation for Uncharted, Helldivers, GOT just like ppl will always buy Nintendo for Mario, Zelda, etc.

This will not be anything stronger than a PS4 and if so maybe slightly at best, definitely not Ps4pro level. It was same convo ppl had with Switch and their thoughts of grandeur while many tried to bring them down to earth. Will play out the same.

BTW alot of advancements were made during the Switch era and ppl fantasized but we didn't get much of what ppl thought could be included. We got some advancement though. It's like tht every gen, this is no different.

Opinions and all. I don't even think ppl nowadays view Nintendo as a direct competitor to worry about Nintendo threatening their favorite plastic box. I hope your right though I buy Nintendo consoles too even though I rarely use them.

 

[Muddasar]

I see some people very conveniently trying to downplay the next Switch because they're probably scared it'll be a threat to their favorite plastic device.

History's shown that Nintendo doesn't intentionally aim for weak graphics; they just wait until costs are reasonable to where they don't lose money upfront on the hardware, and provide what can be offered in the package to that time. Since they release off-cycle compared to other platforms, it'd usually give them the upper hand in specs if talking same device form factor. We saw this with the SNES, N64, and GameCube. We saw it again with the Wii U too, technically.

Two reasons it didn't happen with the Switch are because 1: It was Nintendo's first time rolling the home console & handheld lines into a single device type (hybrid) and, 2: they were in a tough spot coming off Wii U plus Nvidia's mobile-based tech wasn't great at the time (Tegra had largely failed).

Now they have hybrid system experience, and Nvidia's had several massive advances in GPU feature sets since 2016. I'm still not expecting Switch 2 to perform at PS5 or Series X levels even when docked; no one should. But I bet it'll perform a lot better than many of you here want to think it will, performance-wise. I can definitely see it getting near or even beating Series S level performance when docked. It'll just come down to the CPU, really.

No PC handheld beats the Xbox series S including the Ayaneo 2s which costs 1000 pounds minimum.