The Doomers and Gloomers, Sony is dying thread.
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PS isn’t just loosing customers to Nintendo & Steam.
There loosing massive market share & overall power. This been proven w 3rd party partners moving more multiplat likely focusing on Steam & Nintendo which not only effects PS console it also effects PS PC launcher if PS introduce a PS PC launcher will 3rd party support a PS PC launcher if PS games like there multiplayer or even pc port aren’t even exclusive to the PS PC launcher driving consumers to it & I’m talking about permanent exclusive
Gaming Console Market Rebounded in 2023 as Supply Issues Subsided; Sony Took Top Spot From Nintendo
In 2023, the gaming console market saw a 10% YoY growth driven by supply chain enhancements, rising consumer demand, and new releases from Nintendo and Sony.
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When you look at the YoY shipment rate for gaming consoles by brand, Sony has consistently been growing proportionally to other console competitors like Nintendo and Xbox, not shrinking.
I'm not sure this makes sense, since all games released for the PS5 already run on the PS5 Pro in compatibility mode.
What good is a certification that doesn't require anything?
Dude how do you even expect people to read your bible after this first sentence?
Xbox is literally the biggest and best it's ever been. The third party support is the best that it's ever been including Xbox 360. It going to become more and more about the platform and eco-system what they offer you as opposed to just the box which all have an expiration date and eventually be obsolete.
Xbox will remain relevant as a platform with hardware (console and handheld) while also going where others are which makes more sense than trying to force people to come to you which isn't going to happen. This applies to Sony as well but to a lesser extent because like him or not, Phil was right when said that losing the PS4/XBO generation was the worst generation to lose because it's where everyone picked their platform of choice and started building out their digital collections/libraries and will simply stay on that platform regardless of what the other does and even more so if they're an online live service multi-player gamer because they're not going to leave the platform where their friends are also playing.
Did you ever think that Sony would allow MLB to go to other platforms when their own internal studio develops the game every year, that Bungie would remain multi-platform after Sony acquired them, that Lego Horizon Adventures was agreed upon by Sony to allow to go to Switch and of course, did you ever think that Sony would start embracing PC with releasing games day one and speeding up their porting process in order to get their games day one on PC sooner rather than later? My guess is that you (and many others) believed that they would never ever do any of this yet here we are.
Their hardware makes more revenue because it costs more but their growth is literally stagnated and is nothing more than retaining what they had with PS4 which again, was the best generation for Sony to win and the worst generation for Microsoft (especially when they're more digital focused than any other company) to lose.
As a hypothetical, if exclusivity was dead on PlayStation, like every game from every publisher was everywhere, what would keep you on PlayStation? Granted, you could go to PC but at the cost of spending $3000+ on a really good PC rig which will probably be closer to $5000 by the time PlayStation 6 releases in Fall 2028. I would assume that you would still be buying and playing Sony's games as well as other games that you would normally buy and play so outside of spending extra money which only hurts you, what would be the benefit of you leaving the PlayStation platform and eco-system?
I really don't see or understand how leaving the platform and eco-system that you like and prefer benefits you just because Sony is adapting and evolving which every company eventually does. You're still going to get the games that you want from Sony. Only difference is that others not in the PlayStation platform and eco-system will get to play them as well.
For me, I gave up the console war and exclusivity bullshit because it is over and honestly, doesn't matter. The biggest games on Xbox and PlayStation month in and month out are the multi-platform live service games that aren't going to lose and even the few single player games like a Hogwarts Legacy or Elden Ring are few are far between when you consider the hundreds of games that get released on a yearly basis. I prefer Xbox. I want subscriptions and they give me Game Pass while Ubisoft gives me Ubisoft+ on Xbox, nether of which I can get on PlayStation. I get free cloud saves, better backwards compatibility, free upgrades, auto HDR, FPS boost, an actual six game a year refund policy, ability to use my Xbox One controller which is my favorite and best of all time and more. Hell, they also allow you to buy one copy of the game and play it on PC via the Windows Store as well as Xbox consoles. Granted, Windows Store sucks and will never be anywhere near the level of Valve with Steam but it's nice knowing that you don't have to buy the game twice if you're in their eco-system. Or now, cloud streaming which Sony is also doing.
Exclusivity is slowing dying out just like physical games yet people who can't accept this want to hold on to all of this shit when in reality, it literally changes nothing for them. Microsoft porting their games and it can be every single game which it probably will be eventually to Sony/Nintendo changes nothing for me. I'm still playing their games on Xbox via Game Pass day one. I'm not waiting months/years nor am I going to pay $70 for any Microsoft game (or third party games that are day one on Game Pass that I want to play or Ubisoft's games anymore) if im not required to do so.
But to each their own. I simply decided to stop giving a fuck about all of this shit because the console war is fucking over and has been over for probably a decade at this point and in doing so, I have enjoyed gaming and playing games more now in the last 6+ months than I did before because now, all I care about are the games that I want to play, that I can play them on my Xbox Series X and that I hopefully enjoy them. Everything else, I simply stopped giving two shits about.
Great that you are finally experiencing greatness on playstation.
But you said exclusives are dying, lets look at the game of the year nominated games. 2 playstation exclusives, and another is a defacto console exclusive because it skipped Xbox. With another being rumored to become part of playstation.
Metaphor: ReFantazio
Astro Bot
Black Myth: Wukong
Final Fantasy VII Rebirth
Elden Ring Shadow of the Erdtree
Balatro
This has never happened before, that half of the nominations are not on Xbox.
I assume they require certification like anything else. To verify it runs on the pro due to the hardware upgrades and that the “boost” doesn’t crash their games or cause bugs.
The PS4 Pro also didn’t require you to get “enhanced”.
Sony has given developers the requirements for getting the “enhanced” label added to their games.
There certainly seems to be a push by some publishers to focus more on pc, even if it doesn't make much sense...
What boggles my mind is why Sony do it themselves.
Exclusives were their biggest strength.
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Fully agree.
There will be massive focus from all developers in general when the next Smash comes out they will want there characters in it. Which is why I’m boggled by how PS hasn’t after acquiring EVO & Nintendo pulling Smash out hasn’t revive PS Allstars. PS still doesn’t have 1 first party fighting studio I continue to name Arc System Work who has made many fighting games exclusive to PS console who are also focusing on being more multiplat likely Nintendo platform. Naturally w Nintendo gaming more power & double downing on exclusive games there platform (hardware & storefront) are a easy bet & investment to make unlike Xbox & even maybe PS if they continue to follow Xbox route diminishing themselves long term
The fact Guerilla games have stated they wanted Aloy on Smash is an embarrassment. Yeah put out a PS characters on a game that will never be on a PS console or PS storefront ultimately benefits & furthering Nintendo dominance in the gaming space. They should’ve said “no comment”. Especially now w PS having more notable ip + marvel partnership compared to ps3 they could bring back PS Allstars & position it at a good staple at EVO. WB tripped on there own feet w Multiversus it has one of the worse monetization I’ve seen in a free to play there’s like 6+ currencies to keep track of in that game. I’d still say they would need to buy Square Enix they can’t try to bring PS Allstars back then Square Enix doesn’t oblige to work w PS & or not let PS use there characters who are already used in smash w allready iconic Nintendo characters that can alone easily compete w PS & any of there & 3rd party characters. PS Allstars releasing on PS4, PS5, PS6 & mobile to give it the biggest platform to thrive as a free to play platform fighter.
Herman to busy releasing a multiplat horizon game on PC & Nintendo day n date which flopped on all platforms. While in the same hand do PS gets Valves new moba shooter Deadlock? Or how about Nintendo horror novel that I can’t remember the name of & is irrelevant. These 2 other platform/storefront aren’t friendly don’t know why PS is handing out the only thing that differentiate & makes you competitive in the gaming/storefront market.
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For me there's just been too many misteps and missed business opportunities, or outright bad business decisions by Sony.
The digital library lock-in means nothing, when Steam run "80-95% Off" sales, like the one recently. I repurchased some of my PS library of games for the price of a carton of milk each. I did it so that remote play lag/hiccups aren't present on Portal or Chakai on Ally.
Look at Tetris Effect Connected, you botch a piece placement due to lag/pixelization/mini freeze and catchup; and you've made a problem for yourself. Now without remote play issues, I'm happier on Ally experiencing native game performance, and getting the benefit of Ally's portability still over a console or remoteplay-only handheld. Its also one less game to be counted as in the PS library for me, as I wouldnt play it on Portal/PS5 anymore and if I ever did fancy it on the 65" TV, well, Alley can also output to a TV easily.
Portal was so fucking tone-deaf it was an embarassment. It was "look at my new horse, he has a lightening stripe on him", versus everyone else starting to manufactor cars.
The digital library lock-in means nothing, when Steam run "80-95% Off" sales, like the one recently. I repurchased some of my PS library of games for the price of a carton of milk each. I did it so that remote play lag/hiccups aren't present on Portal or Chakai on Ally.
Look at Tetris Effect Connected, you botch a piece placement due to lag/pixelization/mini freeze and catchup; and you've made a problem for yourself. Now without remote play issues, I'm happier on Ally experiencing native game performance, and getting the benefit of Ally's portability still over a console or remoteplay-only handheld. Its also one less game to be counted as in the PS library for me, as I wouldnt play it on Portal/PS5 anymore and if I ever did fancy it on the 65" TV, well, Alley can also output to a TV easily.
Portal was so fucking tone-deaf it was an embarassment. It was "look at my new horse, he has a lightening stripe on him", versus everyone else starting to manufactor cars.
Perhaps but Xbox IS the best it's ever been. More games, more features, more services, better tech, best third party support ever, best first party in their history, etc. I mean come on. People have a such a hatred for Microsoft/Xbox that they completely ignore what's actually factual. I don't get it. I have owned every Xbox console and Series X is by far the best generation. For two generations, all anyone ever said was it's only Halo/Gears/Forza and while they still exist, out of the 22 games Microsoft will have published through 2024, only 4 consist of those three franchises and one of them (Gears Tactics) is a sin off.
Xbox 360 was great but it's also overrated just like Xbox Series is underrated. Microsoft had nothing back then. The vast majority of their published games were deals as opposed to what it is now where the vast majority is internally owned. I loved the original Gears of War trilogy, Gears 4/5 were great too but not better than the original three, Forza Motorsport is debatable but Forza Horizon 5 is far better than all their previous games. The biggest improvement outside of finally acquiring and having studios is the massive variety that they now have. Sports/racing, RPG's, first/third person shooters, strategy games, first/third person action adventure games, simulation, etc.
Seriously, no one is more happy with Microsoft and what they offer than I am because they literally blow away all three previous generations combined. People I believe look back at previous generations and this happens in general with rose tinted glasses. Halo for example, Infinite is the best fucking campaign because it plays the fucking best, I played through all the older games this past summer and Reach/Halo 4 are #2/#3 for me. How people liked the older games where you can't aim down sights or sprint/run is fucking beyond me. UGH.
Even going back this past summer to play the Halo games, through Xbox One, I literally only completed 18 games and if I didn't go back to play all the previous Halo games, the total would be 11 games in three generations from Microsoft. Where as with this generation, I will be at 10 games through 2024. So in four years compared to 19 total years, im already past the halfway mark of what I had back then. Add in the 13 future games I have out of their 17 game road map from 2025 and beyond, and it becomes a slaughter because while the total count will only be 23-18, it's basically a span of 6-8 years for the 23 games where as the 18 games was a span of over 19 years. There's no comparison to be had.
To each their own but im way more happy and satisfied with Microsoft and Xbox this generation than in their entire history. Microsoft can literally publish every game on Sony/Nintendo platforms and I will gladly accept that trade because what's the alternative? 5 or so studios and giving me only 5 games like I had with Xbox One in 7 years? UGH. That shit can fuck off.
I agree with four of the nominations but an expansion to a base game that already had it's time shouldn't be in GOTY. It should have it's own category. The Game Awards are, have been and always will be a fucking joke because it's NOT an actual awards show. IT IS an advertising/marketing show. A REAL awards show would be in February and actually include the ENTIRE calendar year but Keighley doesn't do that because first, he doesn't give two shits about the actual awards or the meaning behind them all or anything. He just wants to prop up the shit that HE heavily favors. He includes DLC/expansions, remakes/remasters AND even SEASONAL content to be eligible for GOTY. Are you fucking kidding me? What's next? Cosmetics? LMAO
Black Myth Wukong is great and even if it was already on Xbox, I would still say that it shouldn't be nominated because two games in Tekken 8 and Like a Dragon: Infinite Wealth should be there instead of BMW and Erdtree. It's a fucking joke that a superb fighting game gets excluded and an amazing JRPG gets excluded as well. And I don't care about either game but they're far better games than BMW is and are actually new releases as opposed to an expansion for a game that already had it's time and expansions should NEVER EVER be nominated for GOTY because without the base game (which again, already had it's time) the expansion doesn't fucking exist.
Then I look at ongoing game. What a fucking joke. The same fucking games get nominated every year. Fortnite/Destiny 2/FF XIV online. They included Diablo IV but this shouldn't be here either. Fallout 76, The Elder Scrolls Online, Sea of Thieves have been far better live service games because they're actually consistent and have been for 5+ years. No Man's Sky is the only game that should be on that list because Murray and Hello Games have done an amazing fucking job after Sony fucked them over big time.
Even if/when Sony acquires Kadowawa, Elden Ring isn't being removed from any platform and their future games will be 100% multi-platform just like Bungie because if not, all the revenue and profit that Sony would inherit would be gone overnight which in turn defeats the point and purpose of even acquiring them in the first place. A From Software game that's exclusive to PlayStation isn't going to do anything at all for Sony or the platform because their fans are already there and second, the most success they've had is from Elden Ring being cross-gen and multi-platform.
Also, Keighley is a massive PONY. Period. Even when a game like Flight Simulator in 2021 gets a 92 along with Forza Horizon 5 get passed over for low rated trash, it tells you everything you need to know. Keighley goes out of his way to shit on Microsoft and Xbox every chance he gets. Tango/Arkane Austin were shut down and Keighley tweeted that Microsoft/Xbox shut them down but when Sony shut down Concord/Firewalk, he NEVER mentioned Sony or PlayStation. If that's NOT a mother fucking clear as fucking day bias against Microsoft/Xbox than I don't know what is.
In closing, im sure you and others will think that im sad or whatever because Microsoft has no nominations or anything yet I don't give a fuck if they win/lose and to be honest, Keighley can ignore their games for life and I still wouldn't give a shit because I will never ever see his awards show as being legitimate and nothing more than a sales and marketing show. And for the record, despite being the Xbox guy, I 100% want Astro Bot to win for one simple reason - the game is excellent and all that but it needs the praise and recognition way more than any and all of those other games combined. Plus, I want a sequel so it winning increases the chances of that happening which granted, should happen regardless but you never know.
Concerning. Devs should not use this tech till it actually betters things…
This was a genuinely very amusing way to respond to someone commenting on the length of your posts.
ChatGP version 1.0.
This generation is not Xbox best at all. Not by a long country mile. Anyone saying that is lying to themselves.
Worst hardware sales and worst first part party output and worst performing hardware on a lot of games. 3rd party support is not good either since they don’t get any 3rd party exclusives anymore. Playstation still does.
I don’t call having to take constant round trips to Japan to beg and pay for games to be ported to Xbox better 3rd party support. You even have indie games skipping Xbox either do to the way MS handles certifications or because the console is not worth it to put games on there. 3rd party developers in general, not just Japan, don’t see Xbox console as something they need to support. As we can see by games that don’t release on there or get ported much later. Don’t even get me started on the Series Potatoe and all the development problems that piece of shit gives developers.
And no……Having to spend $80B dollars to get games because MS is a company that has no type of game management and game curation wherewithal does not mean you improved your first party software on your console. All they did was buy a bunch of studios and publishers who’s games they have nothing to do with. They just own the IP now. All those usual games would have released on Xbox anyway.
PS3 generation Sony is the status quo on how you start to make your first party house better. Building from the ground up and creating new IP.
Having used the PS5 Pro for 10 days, I can confidently say that charging $700 for this console is nothing short of criminal.
If you can play both Xbox and PS5 exclusives on a Rog Ally Steam Deck or MSI Claw why would the consumer waste their time buying two separate consoles when one device call play all their games.
Concerning. Also, DF has been peddling positive instead of showing the full picture….Stellar Blade has IQ issues like the rest of them…Are we splitting hairs in some instance? Perhaps, but there is nothing PRO about obvious compromises. Pssr is simply not ready, and now we’re at the mercy of Soony to show us if it can actually even be fixed at some point in the future.
Completely non issue. It is like showing 1 bug in the game and call it - most broken game and unfinished game because of that.
And + tip.
Dev already said, that PSSR is nothing to do with bad performance. It is either bad implementation or game engine.
Looking at the press, it is most likely just coordination attack on PRO, yet again
The Digital Deluxe/Cross-Gen versions are PS4 SKU+PS5 SKU plus season pass, generally. Hardrve capacity juggling, remote play compatability with PS4 pad, plenty of reasons people may want PS4 version on PS5. Maybe its cheaper on PS4 talking outside of the Deluxe package scenario.Dear @Angie
Please tell so called enthusiast forum that the game news on the UI is not new or part of any update. It’s always been there.
It’s that when Sony added the resume activity with background art it replaced the game news.
People complained about activity art taking over the game art so they changed it to only in progress activities show up only. Not recommended which was always there. Story progress activities still operate as normal.
It was never used so that’s also why Sony removed the resume activity. I like it and the way it made the UI feel active and social. Can’t please everybody.
Here is the the the UI from last year before the resume activity feature was added
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News from the game was always there. It was sort of removed when the resume activity feature was added and you had to scroll down to see all news from the game. With resume activity now changed the news information has been bumped back up to the main game page.
People should maybe stop complaining about things since when Sony does change something it brings back what people originally didn’t like. Like PS4 games showing up as a separate icon when before it was embedded in the menus and you had to choose which version you wanted, PS5 or PS4.
“Why is PS4 games showing up! Why would I play that over PS5! It should be combined!”
Well genius, that’s exactly how it is was. People of course complained about that too.
But PS5 is shady as fuck. I think it used to default to the PS4 version download instead of detexting the PS5. The opposite of xbox smart delivery, if you will. And also there cross-account sharing stuff wasnt upto scratch. I might have bought this PS4 game on USA account and redownloaded it to PS5. But my game save is on main profile and my primary console setting is still on, read my fucking game save file! I gave up in the end and just started again. The newest WWE game took my PS5 DLC away. Store says you own this dlc fuck off, console says what dlc? Cant even download it. I was sat there going... "Well at least the PS4 SKU has kept its DLC intact and I got the Digital Deluxe edition. Fuck this, im gonna go back to a PS4 and combo that with the Ally, I swear, fuck your PS6..."
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