The lack of indie games made the xbox showcase more enjoyable

[Remember_Spinal]

I’m not against indie games, i love them and I DO think they deserve their place amongst the big guys. The exception though is when you look at a show like Geoffs or any of the other smaller indie shows over the weekend almost no one has talked about them in any significant way. I think as much as the industry wants to pretend to care about smaller developers, all you hear is moaning and groaning when they start to get too much screen time.

Microsoft had the Mouse game but if you blinked you would have completely missed it. People come to these big platform showcases to be wowed and feel validated over their 500 dollar purchases. They don’t want to see steam early access tittles about farming, and cats, etc.

I think sony needs to consider cutting down on some of these smaller games and create a separate showcase for them, or do the blog thing. They just always end up ruining the pacing to a show as Microsoft proved a couple days ago

No one to this day has even questioned or brought up the fact that microsoft didn’t feature any smaller developers. They’re just so high on all the big game reveals as opposed to Geoff and Sony’s State of Play

 

[Nhomnhom]

Indies killed E3.

 

[Gods&Monsters]

People on forums pretend they want indies and small AAs ("Sony should make experimental games like Japan studios") but in reality they want the big AAAs and tentpoles only.

Kena or Stray is the indie-level they want, anything below that is indie trash no one cares.

 

[anonpuffs]

The problem is most of the time they pick the most boring indies to show off at these events. It's always some arthouse bullshit.

 

[Remember_Spinal]

People on forums pretend they want indies and small AAs ("Sony should make experimental games like Japan studios") but in reality they want the big AAAs and tentpoles only.

Kena or Stray is the indie-level they want, anything below that is indie trash no one cares.

Yeah, or something like ‘Mixtape’, things published by Annapurna or the bigger games from Devolver Digital.

It’s kind of like how people don’t truly love “independent films” unless they have a bunch of awards from Sundance, Cannes, or Tribeca film festival.

Stuff produced by A24

 

[Nym]

Who is pretending, almost everything I have really really enjoyed in the past several years has been from small studios and not AAA games. AA innovates and AAA iterates on safe ideas

 

[Remember_Spinal]

Who is pretending, almost everything I have really really enjoyed in the past several years has been from small studios and not AAA games. AA innovates and AAA iterates on safe ideas

Thats fine but people don’t want to see them take up a 3rd of an annual platform showcase

 

[TubzGaming]

There was one Indie at the showcase

 

[Zzero]

That mixtape thing looked like fucking garbage but all I see is people praising it. Anyways, indie games can be good but they don't really show up good in conferences, with a very small amount of exceptions. The SGF stream is a great example of it, so much of the "janky, generic trash" shown off is the cream of the crop of Steam early access and probably either plays great or has tons of potential. But you wouldn't know by the look of it.

And honestly, there was some AA stuff in the Xbox conference, like Expedition 33, Flintlock, that other souls-like they showed, etc. But when they look good like that you don't tend to think of them as indie anymore.

 

[ethomaz]

Who is pretending, almost everything I have really really enjoyed in the past several years has been from small studios and not AAA games. AA innovates and AAA iterates on safe ideas

For me is the opposite.

Every time I play an indie or AA game the feeling is that lacks quality… it feels like these old games that everybody played.

Now good AAA game is where industry innovate and give player the goods.

That is why after I become father with the little time I have to games I don’t bother with indies or AA games anymore… the time I have I enjoy a good AAA game.

 

[ethomaz]

BTW the show had indies.
From the few new announces 3-4 were indies… only one Xbox console exclusive.

The AAA announces where Gears and Doom… again only one Xbox console exclusive.

 

[JAHGamer]

This isn't politically correct but it's 100% true, Geoffs show was mostly indies and it was awful. Idk when it became cool to hate on AAA and worship indie games lmao, vast majority of them are junk.

Also, idk if we can even call Devolver Digital and Annapurna published games indie anymore. Those companies are huge now, even Sony has a small stake in Devolver.

 

[Remember_Spinal]

That mixtape thing looked like fucking garbage but all I see is people praising it. Anyways, indie games can be good but they don't really show up good in conferences, with a very small amount of exceptions. The SGF stream is a great example of it, so much of the "janky, generic trash" shown off is the cream of the crop of Steam early access and probably either plays great or has tons of potential. But you wouldn't know by the look of it.

And honestly, there was some AA stuff in the Xbox conference, like Expedition 33, Flintlock, that other souls-like they showed, etc. But when they look good like that you don't tend to think of them as indie anymore.

BTW the show had indies.
From the few new announces 3-4 were indies… only one Xbox console exclusive.

The AAA announces where Gears and Doom… again only one Xbox console exclusive.

Yeah theres a difference between Flintlock, Epedition 33, mixtape, and things like little kitty big city, killer bean, wanderstop, etc.

Having indies fill up your showcase is like inviting unpopular kids to the party so now the cool kids don’t show up or the cool kids that are there look lamer by association (astro bot, monster hunter)

 

[AllBizness]

Gamepass is like 90% indies tho and the press was always going to give the Xbox showcase the win. Grub said out his own mouth before the showcase he would give it a 9 as long as it wasn't a disaster.

 

[Remember_Spinal]

Gamepass is like 90% indies tho and the press was always going to give the Xbox showcase the win. Grub said out his own mouth before the showcase he would give it a 9 as long as it wasn't a disaster.

I know this is hypocritical to say pertaining to this thread but seeing all these outlets ‘grading’ the showcases is funny. Like its not somethign that goes on an aggregate site. There’s also not 3 big showcases for E3 anymore so no one is really winning anything with scores.

The only tangible metric of success is if more consoles are being sold because of it. If its still 3rd on NPD it really doesn’t mean anything

 

[Danja]

I like SOME Indies but I feel we have a reached a point where it has also become a Grift. Being a game developer is now too accessible and a lot of Indies are just cheap knock offs trash or some whyte nerd trying to relive the 90's with their shitty rock music blasting away in the background

 

[daniel5043]

Too many indies are basically the same style of game which doesn't help though one one thing that bugs me about the xbox showcase was all the updates for there GAAS games

 

[peter42O]

After Fable, there was around 6 or so Indie games which were 6 too many for me. lol

I don't mind "indies" if they look like Kena, The Ascent or Expedition 33. But otherwise, they should all be saved for those Indie shows.

 

[Petekilla]

People on forums pretend they want indies and small AAs ("Sony should make experimental games like Japan studios") but in reality they want the big AAAs and tentpoles only.

Kena or Stray is the indie-level they want, anything below that is indie trash no one cares.

I wouldn’t say pretend. I think those people do want those games. But those people are a very loud vocal minority.

 

[Infinity]

For me is the opposite.

Every time I play an indie or AA game the feeling is that lacks quality… it feels like these old games that everybody played.

Now good AAA game is where industry innovate and give player the goods.

That is why after I become father with the little time I have to games I don’t bother with indies or AA games anymore… the time I have I enjoy a good AAA game.

Their are plenty of indies and double A games that have quality.