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Eh my it is an LG UltraPC Thin 2022, Ryzen 7, 16 inches(sorry I mistakes it for 17)

I used many laptops before, Dell XPS 15, HP Workstation G3, Toshiba, Vaio, bla bla bla.

Seem like Mac build quality is just on another level.

Dell XPS 15, throttle issues, also screen flicker issue.

HP workstation also got throttle issues and one of the TB port got issue.

Toshiba, Vaio, eh, either wifi card issue or. It is too long ago so yea.

The LG UltraPC recent also got throttle issues. Tbf it is not powerful on GPU but I at least can expect it to view CAD model with just a bit freeze, 10-20 secs is just too much. Also throttle issues again.

Seem like Apple fix the throttle issue with their inhouse ARM chips. Also the damn thing does not even have a cooler, just passive cooling. Plus their build quality exceed everything that offer in the market.

The 256GB 16GB model cost me less than the LG too.

x86 is not built for portable use, it's time people admit that.

Funny, all my macs had issues, especially around keyboard, OS stability, and battery.
 

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Still the only countermeasures that can compete with microsoft

90% computer on planet earth are using microsoft windows

Good luck to find other alternatives
I can't find it at the moment, but it seems like that went down drastically in the last few years.
 
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Funny, all my macs had issues, especially around keyboard, OS stability, and battery.
Then idk, it is your problem specifically

Go find around to see how many people got problem with HP or Dell machines, especially the XPS 13/15 or Workstation/Spectre. The amount must be 20:1 compared to Apple

MSI, Asus, Acer is garbage, bottom of barrel tier so I don't need to mention it.
 
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They're all over Twitter right now saying the old nugget " sales don't matter". Hilarious.

Little Timmy has gone mad.
 

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Funny, all my macs had issues, especially around keyboard, OS stability, and battery.
Not sure... never had any issue here 🤷‍♂️

Then idk, it is your problem specifically

Go find around to see how many people got problem with HP or Dell machines, especially the XPS 13/15 or Workstation/Spectre. The amount must be 20:1 compared to Apple

MSI, Asus, Acer is garbage, bottom of barrel tier so I don't need to mention it.
Never had any issue with Mac machines... that is why I was curious.
Now with Dell machines... man... I had to fix weird issues to the whole family several times.

But like I said... I use only Apple devices on Mac... I even don't brother even in try 3rd-party devices.
 
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They're all over Twitter right now saying the old nugget " sales don't matter". Hilarious.

Little Timmy has gone mad.
"Sales dont matter" they say but they always try to brag that MS is a trillion-dollar company. Where do they think they got that money from? engagements? LOL
 
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Not sure... never had any issue here 🤷‍♂️


Never had any issue with Mac machines... that is why I was curious.
Now with Dell machines... man... I had to fix weird issues to the whole family several times.

But like I said... I use only Apple devices on Mac... I even don't brother even in try 3rd-party devices.
I know a computer machenic, big one in a big city, either fixing a lot of laptop or office prebuilt

He said that Dell and Acer is the most brand that he, sometimes some kids with Asus gaming laptop comes in but most two above brand.

Acer distributed in my country have warrenty, while Dell only have some lower model. More "premium model" like XPS has to be imported from US, for shit ton too.

After, lets say 1 year of usage, same time as warrenty miraculously, problem started appearing, usually thermal issues or power unit, sometimes screen and board. It happens at frequent rates too.

If you send it to manufacturer they just opt you to replace the board lul. So you have to find a 3P to fix it.

Apple if you got issue they opt you to fix for some what expensive but it is not a full replacement. And their machines have least rate of errors as usual. My country is one of the largest market for Apple, so full support. Just send it to Apple Store, don't have to figure out where to go.

I mean i would pay for premium price tag if I could keep my machine for a long time.
 
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I know a computer machenic, big one in a big city, either fixing a lot of laptop or office prebuilt

He said that Dell and Acer is the most brand that he, sometimes some kids with Asus gaming laptop comes in but most two above brand.

Acer distributed in my country have warrenty, while Dell only have some lower model. More "premium model" like XPS has to be imported from US, for shit ton too.

After, lets say 1 year of usage, same time as warrenty miraculously, problem started appearing, usually thermal issues or power unit, sometimes screen and board. It happens at frequent rates too.

If you send it to manufacturer they just opt you to replace the board lul. So you have to find a 3P to fix it.

Apple if you got issue they opt you to fix for some what expensive but it is not a full replacement. And their machines have least rate of errors as usual.

I mean i would pay for premium price tag if I could keep my machine for a long time.
My wife has a dell notebook and it stopped to work... it just not turned on even plugged in the energy directly.
We sent it to Dell official support (paying the carrier) and we got back the a month later the same machine with the message that the machine has the power control issue that can't be recovered without change the motherboard... that one costed almost the price of the notebook... it was not that old (3 years old only).

I was a bit amused lol.
I told my wife that I wanted to buy a new battery to it and so if it didn't work we lose the money of the new battery (it was R$400... less than $100) and give up.
It was just for curiosity because nothing inside the notebook looked damaged to me.

Well I brought the new battery, installed it and it turned on... worked.
And I understood that this model doesn't work without battery even if plugged to the power.... I give a look at the circuits in the motherboard and found out that the power line circuit pass thought the battery so if there is no battery (or the battery is dead) it doesn't work.
It is dumb... every single other notebook I ever put the hands worked if I removed the battery and plugged it on the power line.
I have no ideia what smart engineer choose to do that in that model (and maybe others models)... I did research and found out some forum posts outside that really reported that this is the case... the direct power line supply only works if the battery is plugged in some models.

Anyway... the support from Deal is incompetent to find out that the issue was the Battery and not any other part of the notebook.

The notebook is still running fine 4 years after that.... it is the main machine in my wife's clinic.
 
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Eh my it is an LG UltraPC Thin 2022, Ryzen 7, 16 inches(sorry I mistakes it for 17)

I used many laptops before, Dell XPS 15, HP Workstation G3, Toshiba, Vaio, bla bla bla.

Seem like Mac build quality is just on another level.

Dell XPS 15, throttle issues, also screen flicker issue.

HP workstation also got throttle issues and one of the TB port got issue.

Toshiba, Vaio, eh, either wifi card issue or. It is too long ago so yea.

The LG UltraPC recent also got throttle issues. Tbf it is not powerful on GPU but I at least can expect it to view CAD model with just a bit freeze, 10-20 secs is just too much. Also throttle issues again.

Seem like Apple fix the throttle issue with their inhouse ARM chips. Also the damn thing does not even have a cooler, just passive cooling. Plus their build quality exceed everything that offer in the market.

The 256GB 16GB model cost me less than the LG too.

x86 is not built for portable use, it's time people admit that.
Windows laptops are hot garbage for anything half demanding.

- Intel CPUs throttle, so unless they are plugged in the wall they will take forever to complete any task
- AMD CPUs are a little better, but still on the battery they are mostly useless

When they do get some use (even light internet browsing in most cases) the fans spin like they were jet engines or something.

Apple had similar problems when they were with Intel, this and the stagnation.

Now with their M series CPUs this is just insane the amount of power they put in these machines, say what you will about their repair policies, etc. (which are hot garbage)... They are on to something with these ARM based machines.
 
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It always amuses me to hear some of the overly enthusiastic and loud Xbox fanboys who claim that PlayStation fans are kicking Microsoft while it's down and that Xbox deserves credit for some of the mediocre things they do, simply because they've been crapped on for years. If you've reached this conclusion, it's likely that you believe Xbox could have done better, and their output has been shitty but have never openly admitted it. So instead of pushing them to be better, they mask the mediocrity by hyping every game they release instead of critiquing them and asking for better. Phil Spencer himself said their fans would evangelize everything
 

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I may flesh this thought out in different threads but im starting to think gamepass is just kinect 2.0 on steroids'. That is to say Gamepass, because of Neflix streaming and the covid bump gave MS the false impression that this was the future of media, just apply it to gaming now. In the same way kinect 2.0 was assumed to be the next big thing in gaming because Kinect was big hit on the 360. I dont blame them for assuming either one, but with gamepass they bet the entire farm on subscription gaming while acting as if console sales are old fashioned or not relevant but it seems like that was a massive gamble that they bet wrong on.

I've long maintained that subscription based gaming is not optimal. It's fine as a complement but not as a main offering. The fact that Game Pass has stagnated and failed to reach its goals over the years is proof of that, I think. There's a lot of reasons for that too - subscriptions can and do lead to a loss of quality and 'quantity over quality' mindset (which, when it comes to games, many gamers will reject), people have limited time and many focus on a single or few games so paying for many makes no sense, etc.

I think you make a good point about MS' gamble on this and the similarity with Kinect. I also agree that they made the wrong choice. It ties into their mentality too. Subscription services for their software (Windows, Office, etc.) have been big money-makers, but (just like with the Kinect) there has been a failure to accurately read the gaming market. The fact that Nintendo and Sony did not follow this path, that Kotick and others have called it value-destructive, and it cannibalizes game sales should have all been indications to MS that this is not a viable strategy. I think they've just arrogantly assumed they could force customers and the market to bend to their vision - see buying publishers and removing titles from other platforms. It's gratifying to see this attitude not be rewarded as their market share continues to shrink.
 
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MS's only value proposition is Gamepass, they are happy to let Xbox be an inferior version of a PC. It makes no sense really, but that's par for the course for Xbox management to be fair.