UK Monthly Charts-PS5 #1, Helldivers 2 consecutive weeks sales growth (up 115% in week 2, up 21% week 3). A hit on both PC/PS5 with 57% sales on PS5!

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If FF7 flops I will be heartbroken. It's so much better than the first installment...and if it flops we'll never see any more ambitious jRPG remake projects.
 
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If FF7 flops I will be heartbroken. It's so much better than the first installment...and if it flops we'll never see any more ambitious jRPG remake projects.

It's not going to flop, but the more and more I see things unfold and look at previous sequel instalments type games, the more I can see the issue with smaller return on investment due to people not continuing on past the first and second game.

The game will still be profitable considering they've pumped out FF7R2 in 4 years and with Japanese salaries, something like 3M is probably all they need and they'll get that in relatively the same timeframe as FFXVI but I don't think this type of production/experiment will be repeated because Part 3 will sell even less.

Also keeping part of Division 1 on one single FF project for more than 10 years might not be the most efficient way of utilizing their finite talent/resources.

I'm sure Square Enix right now, especially with FF, is trying to find that best thing as far as opportunity cost is concerned.
Because the franchise is fine but I feel like, and SE probably does too, that it should probably be doing more.
 
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If FF7 flops I will be heartbroken. It's so much better than the first installment...and if it flops we'll never see any more ambitious jRPG remake projects.
It won't. JRPGs like FF, Persona, Tales series, etc.. don't need to sell God of War Ragnarok numbers to become profitable. The sales of this genre tend to always fall within a threshold of 1 to 7 million. Most will sell 1 million to 2 million and immediately recoup its cost back. No doubt JRPG has its audience but it's a genre that is still being skip on by many.
 

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It won't. JRPGs like FF, Persona, Tales series, etc.. don't need to sell God of War Ragnarok numbers to become profitable. The sales of this genre tend to always fall within a threshold of 1 to 7 million. Most will sell 1 million to 2 million and immediately recoup its cost back. No doubt JRPG has its audience but it's a genre that is still being skip on by many.
I just want people to play it, it's an amazing game and I want Square to see that people appreciate and reward all the effort they put in
 

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That's speculative guesswork and just as likely to be incorrect
It is based in the actual % confirmed by Chris that has the data.

BTW I make a mistake in my post… physical is 46k and not 42k.

Week 1
Physical: 46.6k
Digital: 33k

Week 2
Physical: 4.6k

BTW digital ratio is confirmed to be lower than FFXVI digital ratio that was around 50%.

The truth Physical still is strong in UK even when Xbots tried to push the narrative it was irrelevant 🤷‍♂️
 
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Helldivers 2 is 1st in germany for the month of february.
And FF VII Rebirth is 3rd with only 1 day.

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It is based in the actual % confirmed by Chris that has the data.

BTW I make a mistake in my post… physical is 46k and not 42k.

Week 1
Physical: 46.6k
Digital: 33k

Week 2
Physical: 4.6k

BTW digital ratio is confirmed to be lower than FFXVI digital ratio that was around 50%.

The truth Physical still is strong in UK even when Xbots tried to push the narrative it was irrelevant 🤷‍♂️
That's still incorrect, PC sales are 100% digital while these guys only know physical sales on PS from retailers but missing PS store data for digital purchases made on PlayStation. Only Sony knows that data and share them once in a while out of the blue if there's a benchmark or a record broken. So no, those numbers are PC digital and not representative of total digital sales.
 

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That's still incorrect, PC sales are 100% digital while these guys only know physical sales on PS from retailers but missing PS store data for digital purchases made on PlayStation. Only Sony knows that data and share them once in a while out of the blue if there's a benchmark or a record broken. So no, those numbers are PC digital and not representative of total digital sales.
???

Rebirth didn't release on PC.
GFK give us the digital data that includes PS Store and in Rebirth case it is only PS Store (there is no digital outside PS Store).
 

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Rebirth didn't release on PC.
GFK give us the digital data that includes PS Store and in Rebirth case it is only PS Store (there is no digital outside PS Store).
Said that for HD2. They may glean PS Store data in relation as in in a ratio but they don't get the precise data, whomever it is, GFK, NPD etc. They all calculate digital sales based in relation to physical sales that they track through retailers and based on consumer reports (which are not also 100% correct). None of those is coming from the horse's mouth so to speak, so they may be incorrect unless Sony provides a number for digital releases. For Rebirth, digital numbers are even more of a guesswork since there's no PC digital numbers they can base off of, which are also guesswork to begin with. Look at any steam db game page and you will see highly inconsistent base numbers, now why do you think that is????
 

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Said that for HD2. They may glean PS Store data in relation as in in a ratio but they don't get the precise data, whomever it is, GFK, NPD etc. They all calculate digital sales based in relation to physical sales that they track through retailers and based on consumer reports (which are not also 100% correct). None of those is coming from the horse's mouth so to speak, so they may be incorrect unless Sony provides a number for digital releases. For Rebirth, digital numbers are even more of a guesswork since there's no PC digital numbers they can base off of, which are also guesswork to begin with. Look at any steam db game page and you will see highly inconsistent base numbers, now why do you think that is????
They got all precise data.
They can’t publish the precise data due Publishers not wanting it.

NPD is the same… they got all data from PS Store.

But I’m not understanding you… the Rebirth data is very precise based in the % and has nothing to do with PC or Steam.

If it is wrong it is by 1-5k due the % being rounded.

There is no hidden Reborth sales… it is what it is.
 
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They may glean PS Store data in relation as in in a ratio but they don't get the precise data, whomever it is, GFK, NPD etc. They all calculate digital sales based in relation to physical sales that they track through retailers and based on consumer reports (which are not also 100% correct). None of those is coming from the horse's mouth so to speak, so they may be incorrect unless Sony provides a number for digital releases.
Partners share digital sales data with GfK, it's not extrapolated or guesstimated based on anything else. If a company doesn't share, such as Nintendo, it's simply not included. Nothing fruity, no numberwang, just solid data.
 

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Partners share digital sales data with GfK, it's not extrapolated or guesstimated based on anything else. If a company doesn't share, such as Nintendo, it's simply not included. Nothing fruity, no numberwang, just solid data.
Nope. Their charts specify physical/boxed release. They don't have weekly access to digital sales, contrary to what you say they extrapolate digital sales numbers from the physical release which they can actually track, that's why most charts they release have games sorting in top 5 or 10 in relation to each other.
 

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It is based in the actual % confirmed by Chris that has the data.

BTW I make a mistake in my post… physical is 46k and not 42k.

Week 1
Physical: 46.6k
Digital: 33k

Week 2
Physical: 4.6k

BTW digital ratio is confirmed to be lower than FFXVI digital ratio that was around 50%.

The truth Physical still is strong in UK even when Xbots tried to push the narrative it was irrelevant 🤷‍♂️
Again where exactly did you get digital #? Link the tweet please because only thing I could find as ratio is weekly comparison, and again you are extrapolating digital sale numbers based on a ratio with physical. Physical may have dropped in sales weekly but it says nothing for how digital sales may have gone, it could be opposite direction and an increase for all we know.
 

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Nope. Their charts specify physical/boxed release. They don't have weekly access to digital sales, contrary to what you say they extrapolate digital sales numbers from the physical release which they can actually track, that's why most charts they release have games sorting in top 5 or 10 in relation to each other.
We're in the monthly sales chart thread. Actual digital + physical sales data. No guessing. If you're talking about something else there's probably a better thread for it.
 
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I disagree completely, Helldivers 2 needs none of those artificial reasons for people to play. Just keep the game being as fun as it is right now.

Destiny and CoD are last games I would want Helldivers to take inspiration from.
I agree. What HD is doing is actually doing it better than any of those two imo and mp is way more fun. The only thing I think thy should take reference to is how Fortnite does it's events and Helldivers seems to be doing similar but on a smaller scale.
 
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Again where exactly did you get digital #? Link the tweet please because only thing I could find as ratio is weekly comparison, and again you are extrapolating digital sale numbers based on a ratio with physical. Physical may have dropped in sales weekly but it says nothing for how digital sales may have gone, it could be opposite direction and an increase for all we know.
We have both for first week.
For the second week the ratio will be out on Friday.

We have % drop of physical compared with 16 and Renake that allow us to have the physical data for 1st and 2nd week.

Plus we have the digital ratio for 1st week that allow us to have the digital for 1st week.

Digital chart with the ratio for the 2nd week (if Chris choose to share) is always out on Fridays.

Right now we have that (it can be off up to 0.5% due the round in percents but that gives less than 1k margin of error):

Week 1
Physical: 46.6k
Digital: 33k

Week 2
Physical: 4.6k
Digital: needs the ratio to be out on Friday

While Chris give the % for physical on Mondays and digital on Fridays we can track accurate the sales… sadly it only gives it for few weeks and only if the title doesn’t drop from the TOP10.
 
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