That went over my head. I only focused on the yellow. Lol Even the BOD is tired of Phil’s overly confident, overly optimistic happy go lucky shit. Lol What’s funny about that email is that proved the board right, because everything he said was wrong again.
Xbox podcasters discuss the inevitable end of Xbox hardware (next 5 years) - Defining Duke
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Yep fast forward 3.5 years from when that email was sent, and now Xbox is getting outsold 3-1, GamePass has stagnated, and Xbox had to drop their console price to $350 to be competitive. He was so excited about having the better console and now suddenly "consoles don't matter, they're only a small piece of Xbox's strategy"
It's gotten so bad that if Microsoft even thinks of bringing the Series X price back up to $500, it'll be over for them. But they lose a ton of money on every Series X sold at $350, so it's a lose lose situation....At that point, better to have no console and just piggyback off of Sony and Nintendo's install base
Microsoft is extremely lucky that PC makers are doing the hardware job for them. They can simply make games optimized for target platforms, like Phoenix / Hawk Point on mobile and RX 6700XT on desktop/laptop, and let people buy the hardware they want. Anything over that just scales in quality/features and call it a day.
Of course, what this also means is that Microsoft needs to become a competent software developer of gaming-focused front-end UIs for windows devices. Which they are not, nor will be if they keep someone as inadequate as Phil Spencer to run software development studios.
Of course, what this also means is that Microsoft needs to become a competent software developer of gaming-focused front-end UIs for windows devices. Which they are not, nor will be if they keep someone as inadequate as Phil Spencer to run software development studios.
Yup. “Consoles don’t matter” because they know for them it’s a dead argument. They only like to brag about it when it’s convenient for them. Like this for example.Yep fast forward 3.5 years from when that email was sent, and now Xbox is getting outsold 3-1, GamePass has stagnated, and Xbox had to drop their console price to $350 to be competitive. He was so excited about having the better console and now suddenly "consoles don't matter, they're only a small piece of Xbox's strategy"
It's gotten so bad that if Microsoft even thinks of bringing the Series X price back up to $500, it'll be over for them. But they lose a ton of money on every Series X sold at $350, so it's a lose lose situation....At that point, better to have no console and just piggyback off of Sony and Nintendo's install base
Phil Spencer sucks and is the main reason why Xbox has sucked so much for so long. It goes all the way back to how he mismanaged Rare and Lionhead, in 2009 when he was put in charge of Xbox Studios he did long time permanent damage that nearly wiped them out, now he has been the main boss for nearly a decade and Xbox has never been any worse than what it is now.Sony needs PlayStation for their bottom line, Xbox's operations are insignificant to Microsoft as a whole. Nothing they do really moves the needle, so they don't pay much attention to him. The CEO, CFO, and board have roasted him for being overly confident and incompetent. In the email, his dumbass said "I know I shouldn't but I can't help myself"Satya didn't even know if the Xbox's price was revealed or not. If they did know how bad Xbox was doing, they never would've gave the clown 80b dollars for pointless acquisitions, but I'm glad those acquisitions happened cuz it only sped up the death of the console.
This email has aged so well
Also failed to consistently show any sort of superiority when it came to hardware, getting completely outclassed on stuff like gamepad, VR, peripherals, current gen only games, etc.Yep fast forward 3.5 years from when that email was sent, and now Xbox is getting outsold 3-1, GamePass has stagnated, and Xbox had to drop their console price to $350 to be competitive. He was so excited about having the better console and now suddenly "consoles don't matter, they're only a small piece of Xbox's strategy"
It's gotten so bad that if Microsoft even thinks of bringing the Series X price back up to $500, it'll be over for them. But they lose a ton of money on every Series X sold at $350, so it's a lose lose situation....At that point, better to have no console and just piggyback off of Sony and Nintendo's install base
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I think there are 2 important points on this mail that people normally ignored:Sony needs PlayStation for their bottom line, Xbox's operations are insignificant to Microsoft as a whole. Nothing they do really moves the needle, so they don't pay much attention to him. The CEO, CFO, and board have roasted him for being overly confident and incompetent. In the email, his dumbass said "I know I shouldn't but I can't help myself"
This email has aged so well
- The MS Board of Directors told Phil/Xbox top staff that they were being too confident around the PS5 afterannouncement
- The MS Board/Satya Nutella have hard discussions with Phil about pricing, profit and losses, investments, etc BEFORE this generation started and they went to acquire Zenimax, ABK and so on.
Phil must be having a hard time right now.
Agreed. And they should hire Andrew Tate to market it to all those red pill sigma males out there.
Incredible rare form of discussion coming from Defining Duke, these guys are basically just nutting each other and Xbox weekly. Cog is bottom of the barrel warrior too.
Where are they selling it at $350 almost all sites I see it's at $400.00 including Amazon. I only see it at $350 for curbside pickup at Walmart and I bet thts limited time.Yep fast forward 3.5 years from when that email was sent, and now Xbox is getting outsold 3-1, GamePass has stagnated, and Xbox had to drop their console price to $350 to be competitive. He was so excited about having the better console and now suddenly "consoles don't matter, they're only a small piece of Xbox's strategy"
It's gotten so bad that if Microsoft even thinks of bringing the Series X price back up to $500, it'll be over for them. But they lose a ton of money on every Series X sold at $350, so it's a lose lose situation....At that point, better to have no console and just piggyback off of Sony and Nintendo's install base
it was $350 for an entire month at Walmart, and $350 on and off at a few other retailers for weeks. There was a thread about it
Welcome the forum bro.
I am really glad other people are talking about the fact defining duke sounds like a fanboy podcast most of the time, with Cog just wanting Microsoft to buy basically anything and everything they can.
It's not on the same level of discussion as Sacred Symbols.
But at least Matty is bringing some reality to the table, I can see Cog doesn't like having to sit there and hear it though.
Lmao,
all i saw in the video was a white man talking to a new born black baby, like bruh grow some facial hair, get a face tat ffs.
all i saw in the video was a white man talking to a new born black baby, like bruh grow some facial hair, get a face tat ffs.
OH I know for the holidays but reading into the comments it seems ppl think it stayed at $350 but overall it has not. It's around $400 generally which is still cheaper.
Windows XP had a media center interface to use with the remote back in the days. It might have been good if they had developed this option overtime (make sure that the store and installers can run from this).
This is just to say that they had opportunities to merge Xbox/PC gaming in the past and they could not see it as an organization when it made sense.
Their best hope to not lose too much money on their studios is to let them build games and hope they recoup that as third party publishers do.
$400 still isn't enough, even at $350 it still was outsold badly, people would rather spend a bit extra to get the digital PS5. It needs to be $299 for the X and $99 for the S to be in consideration for most consumers, it's just that undesirable.
LOL Jah you know I know. Ppl don't really want the X and it has to be as cheap as possible for them to even stay afloat, fuck competing because tht just isn't possible at this point.
Xbox becomes an even bigger failure when you consider the opportunity cost for MS of focusing so much on it instead of PC gaming. Good.
