40 PS things that happened since we last saw Xbox's Perfect Dark, Fable, Avowed, Everwild, SoD3.

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MS has been doing that since the original Xbox. BC, True Fantasy Live Online, and many more games were hyped for months or years, even when MS already knew they were never going to make it to market, or were so deep in the weeds that they would be releasing a minimum viable product that bore little to no resemblance to the concept art, demo footage or vertical slices that they had shown as if the games were just going through their finishing touches.
yes, they blatantly lied about VR.
were they sued over faulty marketing of scorpio for VR?
 
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They do have a lot of studios and at some point, those games do have to come out, the second half of this console generation is/should IMO what they should be aiming for.
After all this time I am really starting to question this.

Maybe they are keeping all the games for the next gen console release?
MS has been doing that since the original Xbox. BC, True Fantasy Live Online, and many more games were hyped for months or years, even when MS already knew they were never going to make it to market, or were so deep in the weeds that they would be releasing a minimum viable product that bore little to no resemblance to the concept art, demo footage or vertical slices that they had shown as if the games were just going through their finishing touches.
At least they used to ship games, or hired third parties to make games for them.
A small caveat: we only saw CGI trailers of these games.
I think that this is the point of the thread.
 

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Where it’s at.
BTW, I actually was fortunate enough to try a HoloLens demo at work.

It's garbage.
Yeah, when they even had to bullshit the demos of THAT, anyone with a brain knew MS was just bullshitting to try to take the shine off the real announcements from other companies, in that case, all the hype over the Oculus Rift.

Standard MS playbook: Competitor demonstrates new tech, MS "announces" something better, which is usually not past the concept stages but MS SWEARS it will totally destroy the real, functioning tech that the other guys just showed.
 
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Things would have ended up as they did even if MS hadn’t been sidetracked by Kinect once MS quit funding Japanese games.

Once the Japanese devs turned their attention to the PS3 fully, Xbox was just shooters and lazy PC ports.

I remember a funny story that there was a Japanese dev, on Ni No Kuni I think, who basically used the funding from MS to make the "full" version of the game for PS3 while they released an incomplete version for the 360 early on.

Gives me shades of the GamePass strategy MS has with some Japanese devs/pubs today (i.e they only feel the effort to port is worth it if they get an upfront payment from MS directly). Honestly when it comes to Japan & 360 era, MS could have acquired at least Artoon and Cavia. Artoon had some close ties on Xbox with the Blinx games and Bullet Witch had potential as a franchise.

But MS were too nearsighted and weren't thinking very long-term in terms of core gaming or required IP variety for global audiences. Same reason why they jettisoned Perfect Dark to go in on Halo instead (when they could have easily prioritized both IP or even do something cool like a Halo x Perfect Dark crossover game, and this is all the way back during 360 era).

Really shows how much they relied on 3P exclusives (primarily of Western games, like the Mass Effect trilogy) to push 360 back in the day. At least Sony would identify key 3P teams and IP to cultivate and grow with ove time. MS let a lot of good potential just go wherever.

Yep, and the latest one by Microsoft (that, of course, no gaming website or 'journalist' will talk about) is this:

Back in June, 2022, Xbox made the announcement that:


Link to the official blog post: https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2022/06/09/whats-next-for-gaming/

Of course, the feature wasn't rolled out. Moreover, they didn't even talk about it or even acknowledge that they missed the deadline. Complete radio silence.

The cloud streaming for game previews still isn't live? Why's Colteastwood been talking about it like it's something he can do now? 😂
 

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I remember a funny story that there was a Japanese dev, on Ni No Kuni I think, who basically used the funding from MS to make the "full" version of the game for PS3 while they released an incomplete version for the 360 early on.

The cloud streaming for game previews still isn't live? Why's Colteastwood been talking about it like it's something he can do now? 😂
The dev in question was the director of Eternal Sonata, who infamously declared that the 360 versions of Namco Bandai RPGs were just beta versions, and the real game was the PS3 version. He also said he was totally fine with taking the MS funding to make a game, hand over whatever was ready when the MS deadline came, then get feedback on what to adjust on the PS3 version and release that with all the intended content.

As for the ColtEastwood question, MS shills ALWAYS talk about what they’ve been promised is coming as if it were already here, because otherwise what’s actually here from competitors is better by default.
 
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The dev in question was the director of Eternal Sonata, who infamously declared that the 360 versions of Namco Bandai RPGs were just beta versions, and the real game was the PS3 version. He also said he was totally fine with taking the MS funding to make a game, hand over whatever was ready when the MS deadline came, then get feedback on what to adjust on the PS3 version and release that with all the intended content.

Absolute Kamiya BigDickEnergy 🤣
 

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TBF though, one of the reasons Sony's turnaround with PS3 went so well is because Microsoft let off the gas near the end of 360's life, focusing on Kinect instead of games for core gamers. That was a benefit for PS3 and leading into PS4, where MS basically shot themselves in the chest with XBO's early messaging and optics. Similar lack of effort from MS in terms of big core games near end of XBO's life made them look that much worst compared to Sony & Nintendo.

The problem MS is going to face towards the end of this gen, even if they actually get the big games coming regularly, is that Sony & Nintendo aren't going to be standing idle and doing nothing. They're going to continue having their major releases & exclusives, effectively blocking out a lot of whatever attention and mindshare MS could hope to garner even if they do everything right, because they'd have to go SO beyond the usual going forward that the probability of such happening is near zero. They'd need a series of monumental screw-ups from Sony and even Nintendo in order for whatever they have coming near the end of this gen, have the impact on Xbox the way the late-gen exclusives had for PS3 or PS4.

They can keep getting all these weird journalists to keep singing false praises for them in these moments where the big content isn't coming, but real gamers aren't going to resonate with that no matter how many times it's regurgitated. The actual games need to deliver, this year's going to be the test to see if they can begin making good on promises from several years ago.

Another facet is Xbox just doesn't seem to resonate with gamers on a world wide scale. Whether it's their image, games, marketing, or something else - Xbox is not successful in many countries around the world. And even if they do hit it out of the park with upcoming games, I'm not sure how much that will change this pattern.
 

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Another facet is Xbox just doesn't seem to resonate with gamers on a world wide scale. Whether it's their image, games, marketing, or something else - Xbox is not successful in many countries around the world. And even if they do hit it out of the park with upcoming games, I'm not sure how much that will change this pattern.
Good games will resolve a lot of things. But they also need patience, actual success would probably only happen in the next cycle.

I think that if they have had a proper follow-up to the 360. The xbone would have been proper console, with a focus on gaming performance, be just a bit more powerful than the ps4, or maybe if Sony had shipped the PS4 with 4GB of RAM. They would have taken over Sony in the last generation, people still remembered the early 360 days and associated MS with the good part of that, a good number of gamers also wanted the better performance in third party games (associated with Xbox at this point).

So the worst happened for Xbox:
- they didn't show up for hardcore early adopters
- Sony did pretty good with the ps4 (other than the fan noise).. also, Sony gained a lot of good will by shipping great 1st party games on the ps3, that gave them some momentum

If MS had a good underdog end of generation they could be in a position to gain the upper hand for the next one.

Obviously this Xbox fan wet dream assumes Sony does nothing to keep their clients and that MS does everything just right.
 

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Good games will resolve a lot of things. But they also need patience, actual success would probably only happen in the next cycle.

I think that if they have had a proper follow-up to the 360. The xbone would have been proper console, with a focus on gaming performance, be just a bit more powerful than the ps4, or maybe if Sony had shipped the PS4 with 4GB of RAM. They would have taken over Sony in the last generation, people still remembered the early 360 days and associated MS with the good part of that, a good number of gamers also wanted the better performance in third party games (associated with Xbox at this point).

So the worst happened for Xbox:
- they didn't show up for hardcore early adopters
- Sony did pretty good with the ps4 (other than the fan noise).. also, Sony gained a lot of good will by shipping great 1st party games on the ps3, that gave them some momentum

If MS had a good underdog end of generation they could be in a position to gain the upper hand for the next one.

Obviously this Xbox fan wet dream assumes Sony does nothing to keep their clients and that MS does everything just right.
MS only got where they did with the 360 by bringing in experienced, connected people from elsewhere in the gaming world. As much as Peter Moore and Don Mattrick are asshats, they had connections from their days at SEGA and EA respectively. Current Xbox leadership are all MS lifers who only know the MS way of doing things, which is why nothing they do is working, or ever will succeed in a big enough way to keep the division going past this generation.
 
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