Circana September 2024: PS5 #1 (-45%) NSW #2 (-23%) XBS #L (-54%) / EA FC25 #1, Astro Bot#2, Madden 25 #3

Landiri

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All that MAU talk brought me back to 2013 when Xbox was flopping and Phil was all about MAU. That MAU kept growing and it's now bigger than ever...but it doesn't change the fact that Xbox is more irrelevant than ever and dying.

The MAU is meaningless and always will be.
This is what they got, for attracting people who don't want to pay.

All those Users mean nothing, when they are all cheapskates, who want to only pay for VPN-bought Gamepass keys, and never bought anything!
 

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All that MAU talk brought me back to 2013 when Xbox was flopping and Phil was all about MAU. That MAU kept growing and it's now bigger than ever...but it doesn't change the fact that Xbox is more irrelevant than ever and dying.

The MAU is meaningless and always will be.

I still remember the moment they stopped publishing console sales, and declared MAU to be most important metric.

To promptly stop mentioning MAU's within a year in their quaterly financial reports, but now that they have candy crush it's the number one metric again.
 

mibu no ookami

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Yes, that's the point. Sony have never struggled so much to convince playstation players to upgrade. That they haven't is the problem.

You make a statement that is a clear lie, rather than back up the statement you say the point you were trying to make.

First let's address pace. The PS5 is not far from the pace of the PS4, which outsold the PS3.

Second let's look how gaming has changed since PS1 and PS2. While the PS2 played PS1 games, PS1 was largely discontinued quickly because there wasn't a ton of value in making PS1 games. Now we have GaaS which are the most popular games on the market.

Why do you think that's an indictment on Sony?

Microsoft followed this strategy. How did that work out for them?

How many companies follow the same "strategy" (I'm putting it in quotation marks because metrics aren't strategy), but have different execution?

Just re-read your own posts if you want foolishness.

Yeah buddy, that's it.
 

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This is what they got, for attracting people who don't want to pay.

All those Users mean nothing, when they are all cheapskates, who want to only pay for VPN-bought Gamepass keys, and never bought anything!

There are absolutely people who don't pay much money with GaaS, but that's not most of the market. These players actually spend tremendous amounts of money on these games and it's why GaaS own a larger share of the market spend than single use titles.
 

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There are absolutely people who don't pay much money with GaaS, but that's not most of the market. These players actually spend tremendous amounts of money on these games and it's why GaaS own a larger share of the market spend than single use titles.
How is this related to Gamepass?
 

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You make a statement that is a clear lie, rather than back up the statement you say the point you were trying to make.

First let's address pace. The PS5 is not far from the pace of the PS4, which outsold the PS3.
Ps5 is not far off the pace of the PS4...so it IS off of the pace of the PS4 with fewer options of competition; Xbox series is doing worse than Xbone and the Switch is at the end of the gen (which was new when the PS4 was ramping up)
Second let's look how gaming has changed since PS1 and PS2. While the PS2 played PS1 games, PS1 was largely discontinued quickly because there wasn't a ton of value in making PS1 games. Now we have GaaS which are the most popular games on the market.
Popular in terms of sales? Because the sales chart says otherwise.
Popular as in helps sell consoles? Because they don't.
Mobile gaming is more popular, if popularity is the metric to go by, then Microsoft now own that space.

Popularity means jack shit without a definition.

Why do you think that's an indictment on Sony?
Why do you think it isn't?

How many companies follow the same "strategy" (I'm putting it in quotation marks because metrics aren't strategy), but have different execution?
Metrics are strategy. It's the only strategy that counts. What metrics are used is the key.
Yeah buddy, that's it.
That Is it. You try and bamboozle people with corporate language, using marketing techniques to try and bend words to fit your argument.
I'm not dumb and can see through your weasely game.
 

Boswollox

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There are absolutely people who don't pay much money with GaaS, but that's not most of the market. These players actually spend tremendous amounts of money on these games and it's why GaaS own a larger share of the market spend than single use titles.
GaaS works by milking the fuck out of 1% of players. That 1% can sustain a game, but not a console or generation.

You must be a marketing account bot to purposely not understand the difference.
 
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How is this related to Gamepass?

You were responding to a comment about MAUs, but GamePass also generates revenue via MTX.

Ps5 is not far off the pace of the PS4...so it IS off of the pace of the PS4 with fewer options of competition; Xbox series is doing worse than Xbone and the Switch is at the end of the gen (which was new when the PS4 was ramping up)

Fewer options? The first 4 years of the PS4's life cycle there was no Switch, it was Wii U which had bombed. The PS5 competes with a significantly cheaper XSS which represents half the sales of the XBS. You also have a pandemic and historic inflation.

Popular in terms of sales? Because the sales chart says otherwise.
Popular as in helps sell consoles? Because they don't.
Mobile gaming is more popular, if popularity is the metric to go by, then Microsoft now own that space.

Popularity means jack shit without a definition.

Games like Fortnite, Roblox, CoD, annual sports games generate more revenue than the rest of the single player single use games released combined...



Why do you think it isn't?

The ones primarily struggling with the changing market are fanboys. Sony doesn't care if someone buys MTX on Fortnite on PS4 or on PS5. They still make exactly the same amount of money either way. In fact they make more because they didn't have to sell the new console at a loss to get that same engagement.

Metrics are strategy. It's the only strategy that counts. What metrics are used is the key.

Metrics are not strategy. Metrics are metrics. Either you don't understand business or you don't know English. Take your pick.

That Is it. You try and bamboozle people with corporate language, using marketing techniques to try and bend words to fit your argument.
I'm not dumb and can see through your weasely game.

I'm dead... you think your ignorance of... checks notes... words is an indictment on me and not you?

GaaS works by milking the fuck out of 1% of players. That 1% can sustain a game, but not a console or generation.

You must be a marketing account bot to purposely not understand the difference.

You think 1% of players are spending billions of dollars annually?
 
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Vertigo

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The neat thing about the revenue charts on the console OS is that it will include MT and DLC revenue for online games.

And of course online the same games are topping these revenue charts week after week. It’s not just engagement fluff. They’re also the most consistent and biggest money makers.
 

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The neat thing about the revenue charts on the console OS is that it will include MT and DLC revenue for online games.

And of course online the same games are topping these revenue charts week after week. It’s not just engagement fluff. They’re also the most consistent and biggest money makers.

I try to discuss this with these people, but they're not here to argue the merits.

Honestly, it's my fault for constantly entertaining them knowing they aren't serious people who care about facts.
 

Vertigo

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I try to discuss this with these people, but they're not here to argue the merits.

Honestly, it's my fault for constantly entertaining them knowing they aren't serious people who care about facts.

Engagement is often used as fluff and can be bogus manufactured hype. Many games don’t have the players behind it spending. The kings of mountain do tho… it’s a discussion requiring nuance for sure.
 

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Fewer options? The first 4 years of the PS4's life cycle there was no Switch, it was Wii U which had bombed. The PS5 competes with a significantly cheaper XSS which represents half the sales of the XBS. You also have a pandemic and historic inflation.
Exactly, Ps4 on its fourth year was competing with switch, and even then, still sold gangbusters. Ps5 has no competition like generations before. Xss? Lol, lmao even. They sold what, 10 million consoles?

Pandemic helped playstation as everyone was locked inside with fuck all to do except play consoles. It sold so well that it sold out.
Games like Fortnite, Roblox, CoD, annual sports games generate more revenue than the rest of the single player single use games released combined...

And those games have players who have no allegiance to console or ecosystem.

The ones primarily struggling with the changing market are fanboys. Sony doesn't care if someone buys MTX on Fortnite on PS4 or on PS5. They still make exactly the same amount of money either way. In fact they make more because they didn't have to sell the new console at a loss to get that same engagement.
They don't sell the PS5 at a loss and haven't since launch. Jim Ryan said they make $30 per console. Can you stop talking shite for two minutes.

Metrics are not strategy. Metrics are metrics. Either you don't understand business or you don't know English. Take your pick.
Imagine saying this with the amount of bollocks you spew. I understand business just fine, Mr flip flopper
I'm dead... you think your ignorance of... checks notes... words is an indictment on me and not you?
Your words are an indictment of you. You contradict yourself and are generally a [redacted]
You think 1% of players are spending billions of dollars annually?
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