Does no one find it concerning that PS5 sales are struggling to keep up with the nearly 8 year old Nintendo Switch?

[MonkeyDNuts]

Asked me?

You made a claim. Back it up.

Don’t just throw things out of your backside and expect posters not to question it.

Again what are the parallels between Xbox and Playstation. Striking according to you.

Enlighten us.

Stop dodging, you initiated this pointless back and forth when you laughed at my comment, so the burden of proof is on you. Don’t start something if you can’t finish it.

 

[ethomaz]

PS5pro will not hit initial, or revised, targets.
It's not that the PS5PRO is a bad console, it's because, like the PS4, the PS5 is too good for its own good.

If Sony drop the price of PS5 people will buy that over the PS5pro. If they don't drop the price, they lose sales to the switch.

Rock and a hard place.

What is the inicial or revised target for PS5 Pro?

What I'm saying is that PS5 Pro is supposed to aim a very small parcel of PS5 users.
It will never sell like PS5 unless well PS5 Pro price is the same or cheap than PS5 (if that was the case Sony could phase out PS5 production and focus only on PS5 Pro).

PS5 will be the main driver sales for Sony... like 80% or more of the sales.

And yes I agree with you here... if Sony drops the PS5 price less people will buy the PS5 Pro.
Even so I hope to PS5 hit $299 at limited quantities this black friday but maybe the lowest will be $349.
That is talking about US... Europe I don't see PS5 going below £400 even with deals.

 

[Muddasar]

Stop dodging, you initiated this pointless back and forth when you laughed at my comment, so the burden of proof is on you. Don’t start something if you can’t finish it.

Can’t believe I am reading such nonsense

You have stated that Xbox and Playstation have striking Parallels.

YOU made the claim.

Back it up.

The burden is on you to prove a positive. Not me to prove a negative.

What planet are you living on?

 

[Kokoloko]

Switch is cheaper, portable, more exclusive titles. And more commercial product overall in its peak. PS5 has kinda dropped the ball in that sense with the PS5 price/no price drops from last gen.

And with less games announced in similar time frames. And with bigger gaps between new games from studio announcements, it creates less hype.
We only got announced a new game from Sucker Punch after 7 years since there last game (2017) and its been 8 years since Naughty Dogs last actual new game announcement (2016 TLOU2). PS4 and PS3 gen was filled with announcements.

PS5 is doing great though, maybe not amazing but it still top stuff.
By the end of the gen, they are probably gonna outsell every Nintendo, Xbox and Playstation home console except PS2 and PS4… Doesnt sound bad right when you look at in the grand scheme of things.

But it could do with a few smart moves if they want to sell PS4 numbers. I doubt it happens though. PS6 kinda has to be closer to PS4 numbers if Sony wants to be beating themselves.

Especially with Xbox dying and Switch not being direct competition unlike the XBOX/Gamecube gen, Sony needs to do better realistically, why arent they selling more than PS4 numbers…

And With Xbox basically leaving the console space, Sony might have new competition one day

 

[Sircaw]

Passive aggressive? Ironic, your first and only response to the thread was passive aggressive ffs. Look in the mirror before projecting your childish behavior onto others. It’s simple, if you don’t care then don’t comment. Saying that is not dictating anyone, that’s basic etiquette.

Calling a post doomer isn’t passive aggressive, but me asking them directly to contribute or leave is passive aggressive?

What a useless and truly inept excuse of a mod. Either be fair or be quiet.

I suspect this is an alt account with a grievance.

Good bye silly troll with an agenda.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

I think Sony will be happy with anything over 100 million.

Considering everything.

Personally I expect this gen to be longer than last and the PS5 will overtake the PS4 lifetime sales.

It needs to sell 55 million in 4 years. Achievable.

Yes, it is achievable, even if they did one of the three things I mentioned could be heavily disadvantageous to console sales longer-term.

But PS5 would have needed an extra CY to hit that 100+ million install base, and we're still talking an overall number below PS4's. I also believe, if PS4 wasn't affected by supply shortages, they would have reached 120-125 million lifetime EOY 2021, instead of the 117.2 million we know officially.

 

[SuperPotato]

And with less games announced in similar time frames. And with bigger gaps between new games from studio announcements, it creates less hype.
We only got announced a new game from Sucker Punch after 7 years since there last game (2017) and its been 8 years since Naughty Dogs last actual new game announcement (2016 TLOU2). PS4 and PS3 gen was filled with announcements.

Sony is done with announcing games years in advance.

I get that it creates less hype around gaming forums but look what happened at E3 2017 and 2018. People crapped all over those conferences because they only showed "old" games.

GT5 was announced in 2005 and launched in 2010

The Last Guardian was announced in 2009 and launched for the PS4 in 2016.

Where the hell is Wolverine?

And there are plenty of other examples. Sony wants to avoid this stuff going forward.

 

[ethomaz]

Sony is done with announcing games years in advance.

I get that it creates less hype around gaming forums but look what happened at E3 2017 and 2018. People crapped all over those conferences because they only showed "old" games.

GT5 was announced in 2005 and launched in 2010

The Last Guardian was announced in 2009 and launched for the PS4 in 2016.

Where the hell is Wolverine?

And there are plenty of other examples. Sony wants to avoid this stuff going forward.

IMO that was a great change.

 

[Boswollox]

And yes I agree with you here... if Sony drops the PS5 price less people will buy the PS5 Pro.
Even so I hope to PS5 hit $299 at limited quantities this black friday but maybe the lowest will be $349.
That is talking about US... Europe I don't see PS5 going below £400 even with deals

I have the same hope. Sony should have cleared the channels of PS5 with a mega-price drop, leaving only the Pro in stock. Not a nice thing to do, but certainly an effective strategy.

Though this situation is entirely one of their own making. They should have dropped the price last Christmas.

 

[KvallyX]

This is why you get paid the big bucks.

 

[Entropi]

No concerns at all here. Thanks.

 

[Danja]

I took his comment to mean he thinks the PS5 will outsell the Switch this holiday.

I mean if it didn't Sony might as well discontinue the brand.

 

[SuperPotato]

IMO that was a great change.

I kinda miss the old way but i also like the fact that Astrobot launched 4 months after the initial announcement and Yotei is sheduled to release within the next 12 months. And both games had actual gameplay footage instead of just a splash screen or a 20 second teaser.

It also confirms that Sony has stuff ready to be shown but they're just waiting for the right moment.

 

[Yurinka]

Lifetime? Not a chance. The way things are going, PS5 will tap out at ~ 105 - 110 million lifetime through EOY 2028, and that's assuming there aren't other price increases to come, that GTA6 is the "industry savior" as analysts want to frame it, and SIE doesn't do Day 1 for the big games to PC (Steam) prior to that.

Otherwise, and especially if all three things happen (in the case of GTA6, it'd mean the game underperforming by a decent margin, say 20%-30%), then lifetime PS5 sales could tap out at just 100-105 million. I mean look at it this way; sales are already tracking behind PS4 launch-aligned, they've been 2 million behind PS4 launch-aligned globally, and they've been pushing aggressive sales promos in Europe because that's one of the territories sales have softened more than expected.

I also don't think markets like China are going to be a massive boon to PS5 as some believe, because as long games like BMW are Day 1 on PC, a market whose gaming audience overwhelmingly favors PC, will just go PC for those games. Plus how many more BMWs are SIE expecting over the next four years?

I think lifetime PS5 pretty likely won't outsell Switch due to mainly these reasons:

• PS5 couldn't benefit of the covid bump as Switch did, it had supply constrain during that key period instead
• Inflation + covid caused components + shipments costs increase that damaged its hardware profitability to the point it couldn't apply price cuts and instead had to increase its costs. Plus pretty likely won't be able to apply price cuts in the future

Regarding final lifetime sales estimates for PS5, I think they will end somewhere between PS4 and Switch/PS2. Closer to Switch/PS2 than to PS4 due to different reasons:

• Half of the PS userbase still is in PS4 and didn't make the jump because PS4 is still getting great support with crossgen games and GaaS. At some point they'll make the jump, probably once the top sellers GTA, CoD, EAFC, AC etc stop supporting PS4.
• We saw in the leaked files that around half of PS5 customers are new to PS, meaning despite selling very well, they are growing their userbase with new users, who may be coming from different sources:
  • Growing their userbase in Asia thanks to partnerships with local teams like Mihoyo or Shift Up, Netease etc. and initiatives like China/India/etc Hero Project
  • Growing their fanbase in PC and some of these users later moving to PS5 to get the games only available (at least temporally) there
  • Growing their market share in consoles: some Xbox and Switch users may be moving to PS
  • Growing their fanbase via movies and TV shows, and part of them may end getting a console to see their original gaming version
  • Growing their fanbase by approaching new genres/user types with very successful first party titles as are Destiny, Helldivers 2 or Astro Bot
• They still didn't have any price cut, and instead they had to increase the price. Even if I think isn't likely, if they manage to increase their profitability elsewhere maybe things change or they find a way to price cut the console in a sustainable way, which would bump its hardware sales

But that's also around the time SIE started to self-sabotage their hardware demand with both aggressive cross-gen support (HFW, GT7, GOW Ragnarok) and an intensification of their Steam porting strategy to PC (Returnal, GOT, DS: Director's Cut etc.). The fact of the matter is this: as Xbox has seen a massive collapse in console sales globally, by all accounts most of those gains should have been going to PS5.

As can be seen in the graphs, sales say there's no self-sabotage because sales are basically on par with PS4 even if they had the shortages issue and price increase instead of price cut. Plus on top of this they are stealing market share to MS and Nintendo.

We also saw that in the leaked docs that half of the PS5 sales were to new users, in a volume that can't be only from Xbox. As Hermen and Nishino said PC isn't stealing users, it is adding new players to PS instead.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

They are not in the same playing field. The Switch is more of PS3 era at best. Also handhelds break all the time and you need to replace them more frequently vs traditional home consoles.

Also being focused on kids means they aren't very good at keeping it safe without breaking it then crying to get a new one.

 

[Sircaw]

View attachment 5772This is why you get paid the big bucks.

 

[Muddasar]

They are not in the same playing field. The Switch is more of PS3 era at best. Also handhelds break all the time and you need to replace them more frequently vs traditional home consoles.

Also being focused on kids means they aren't very good at keeping it safe without breaking it then crying to get a new one.

Exactly.

Let’s not forget the Switch Lite.

A bargain bucket handheld which really isn’t a Switch.

Always believed that Switch referred to it being a hybrid which can go from Portable to Docked.

 

[KvallyX]

I mean if it didn't Sony might as well discontinue the brand.

If Nintendo did a large holiday price drop, I could see the Switch bang out more sales again.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Oh yeah, I just meant this year... Or over the holidays. No chance for lifetime ..

This year? Oh OK. Yeah, I think this year specifically PS5 should be able to outsell Switch for the year, but it really depends on how aggro SIE get with sales promos in the US for BF and Christmas, and if they do some across Europe during that timeframe. And that's versus Nintendo having any special sales promos & bundles, and how big their Japanese numbers are for the holiday period.

In any case, I'm expecting any unit sales lead by either platform will be within 10% of one another, at most. It should be fairly close and, well, that's a bit telling for PS5 considering this is Switch's twilight year. Yes, PS5 is more expensive and that will always affect demand for volume being moved, but it's also the newer platform, has the PlayStation brand behind it, and has an Xbox that's basically dead in most global markets only halfway through the generation.

By all accounts, PS5 should be comfortably outpacing Switch in global unit sales when Xbox is barely able to hang on with America and UK. But that isn't what's happening, and I think it's fair to say the reasons are more than simply PS5's price.

 

[Muddasar]

This year? Oh OK. Yeah, I think this year specifically PS5 should be able to outsell Switch for the year, but it really depends on how aggro SIE get with sales promos in the US for BF and Christmas, and if they do some across Europe during that timeframe. And that's versus Nintendo having any special sales promos & bundles, and how big their Japanese numbers are for the holiday period.

In any case, I'm expecting any unit sales lead by either platform will be within 10% of one another, at most. It should be fairly close and, well, that's a bit telling for PS5 considering this is Switch's twilight year. Yes, PS5 is more expensive and that will always affect demand for volume being moved, but it's also the newer platform, has the PlayStation brand behind it, and has an Xbox that's basically dead in most global markets only halfway through the generation.

By all accounts, PS5 should be comfortably outpacing Switch in global unit sales when Xbox is barely able to hang on with America and UK. But that isn't what's happening, and I think it's fair to say the reasons are more than simply PS5's price.

Definitely more than one factor but Price is the biggest factor.

At the current price you need to give people an incentive to buy a PS5.

300/350 pounds less so.

There are still as many PS4 gamers as PS5 gamers.

Many simply haven’t upgraded cause they are getting their yearly COD, FIFA games etc on PS4.

GTA6 will definitely change things but not that drastically.

A major price drop is needed to kickstart things.