Microsoft accuses UK regulator of adopting Sony’s complaints over Activision Blizzard deal

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Guy has taken warring to a whole new level. Its one thing for a bunch of nobodies like us to get on message boards and shit post but making your entire professional career and identity based on defending the honor of Microsoft is straight up pathetic.

Him and tom warren think every tidbit that leaks from this review process is a call to arms to defend their sugar daddy. I still squirm when I think about his hit piece of Geoff Keighly and TGA because Forza Horizon 5 wasn’t nominated for a GOTY award
 

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Todays fallout from folks that want this merger to go thru is just a taste of what you will see should the merger fail.
Today was a good day😎
 
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Guy has taken warring to a whole new level. Its one thing for a bunch of nobodies like us to get on message boards and shit post but making your entire professional career and identity based on defending the honor of Microsoft is straight up pathetic.

Him and tom warren think every tidbit that leaks from this review process is a call to arms to defend their sugar daddy. I still squirm when I think about his hit piece of Geoff Keighly and TGA because Forza Horizon 5 wasn’t nominated for a GOTY award
The reason we even know as much as we do about this deal is because Microsoft is leaking the conversation and their complaints to media outlets and Tom warren to get their insane cult fan base fired up. I don’t know what good that will do because outside of a hundred or so Twitter crazies, I don’t think Xbox as a brand has that much pull in the real world.
 

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The reason we even know as much as we do about this deal is because Microsoft is leaking the conversation and their complaints to media outlets and Tom warren to get their insane cult fan base fired up. I don’t know what good that will do because outside of a hundred or so Twitter crazies, I don’t think Xbox as a brand has that much pull in the real world.

I was thinking about that too. MS trying to make themself out to be the poor, weak underdog and Sony the big, bad bully isn't going to fly with anyone but their more zealous fans. To everyone else, it's going to come off as being disingenuous and laughable. Even for those who might be unsure or believe (who are not those fans), it's not going to sway them to rally for MS. Regulators won't be influenced by Twitter and media campaigns and other companies, who are well aware of how MS operates, won't either. I sometimes wonder if they're doing all this to set up the narrative of when or if the deal fails, they've already laid the groundwork to take no responsibility for their own decisions and mistakes - to the public, fans, and shareholders.

Also, there's the usual MS arrogance where they seem to honestly expect the world to work the way they want it to. And have a hissy fit when it doesn't. Can't forget that.
 

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I was thinking about that too. MS trying to make themself out to be the poor, weak underdog and Sony the big, bad bully isn't going to fly with anyone but their more zealous fans. To everyone else, it's going to come off as being disingenuous and laughable. Even for those who might be unsure or believe (who are not those fans), it's not going to sway them to rally for MS. Regulators won't be influenced by Twitter and media campaigns and other companies, who are well aware of how MS operates, won't either. I sometimes wonder if they're doing all this to set up the narrative of when or if the deal fails, they've already laid the groundwork to take no responsibility for their own decisions and mistakes - to the public, fans, and shareholders.

Also, there's the usual MS arrogance where they seem to honestly expect the world to work the way they want it to. And have a hissy fit when it doesn't. Can't forget that.
Jezs article is borderline threat and I don’t see how that plays well to any one, especially regulators. Not that their reading his article but if that’s the mood I don’t think it bodes well for this deal.
 

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I’m also seeing Xbox fan boys plant the seeds that the CMA is somehow corrupt or paid off. Like this is a real talking point from them which we know means it came from you know who.

I think MS' confrontational, aggressive response to the CMA is rubbing off on a certain subset of fans. I saw someone applauding MS for handing the CMA's ass to them or something like that. Stuff like that may impress some people, but it seems like an unwise way to approach regulators. I remember someone posted a Tweet here a while ago where one of the XBox fans/Ambassadors had a pic of Sony studios with "CMA acquired" on it. Just pure lunacy.
 

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I must say all those Xbox fanboy tears are delicious. But when you think about it, the deal is more than shady. $70 billion is a huge sum even for MS, remember it's like 300 times what Sony paid for Insomniac... They definitely use their money from outside gaming to buy the gaming market and bully everybody. That's the perfect example of a deal which probably should be rejected because it could harm consumers on the long run.

Who seriously believe they just won't make everything exclusive over time and try to kill competition, then increase prices more and more (look at Starfield !). Aren't monopolies what they're building everywhere they can ? Look no further than Windows and Office, and how they removed the competition.

Not that they're very successful right now in gaming if massive layoffs are anything to go for, but still... That's typically the kind of deals CMA wants to reject. And it has nothing to do with Sony or Google, it's all about protecting consumers and competition on the long run.

All those idiotic Gamepass cheerleaders don't understand they're shooting themselves in the foot on the long run anyway. If it's successful (which it probably won't be according to missed MS target GP numbers and recent layoffs), GP games quality would obviously go down (though it's already pretty low actually) and prices would gradually go up, like on any subscription model ever. Or do they think MS are their friend and they won't have to pay for a huge MS profit coming directly from their pockets ? MS is losing tons of money on $1 GP subscriptions right now, it won't last forever.

I actually think the deal being rejected could be the best news for MS too. It would give them a much less expensive exit door from gaming. GP numbers are bad, layoffs are coming... Only way all this GP thing would have worked was if it was taking off to like 100 million+ subs. Clearly it's not happening, we'd already see the first signs and there are none, people still prefer PlayStation no matter what... Basically it's unlikely GP will ever be profitable for MS, and that was their last try to gain footing in that market. I doubt they're still in gaming market in 5 years. MS cares about huge profits, and it's clear now they won't be there ever. You could see them starting to cut their losses now (hence the layoffs).

It would be extremely costly to move on if the deal goes through though, I'm not even sure somebody would buy them Actibliz for half the sum they paid... Remember Nasdaq lost around 40 % since MS bought Actibliz, and it was already a massive overpay at the time... They're probably looking at a $30 billion+ loss if they resell Actibliz. I kinda doubt they'll fight that much to make that bad deal go through...
 
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I must say all those Xbox fanboy tears are delicious. But when you think about it, the deal is more than shady. $70 billion is a huge sum even for MS. They definitely use their money from outside gaming to buy the gaming market and bully everybody. That's the perfect example of a deal which probably should be rejected because it could harm consumers on the long run.

Who seriously believe they just won't make everything exclusive over time and try to kill competition, then increase prices more and more. Aren't monopolies what they're building everywhere they can ? Look no further than Windows and Office, and how they removed the competition.

Not that they're very successful right now in gaming if massive layoffs are anything to go for, but still... That's typically the kind of deals CMA wants to reject. And it has nothing to do with Sony or Google, it's all about protecting consumers and competition on the long run.

All those idiotic Gamepass cheerleaders don't understand they're shooting themselves in the foot on the long run anyway. If it's successful (which it probably won't be according to missed MS target GP numbers and recent layoffs), GP games quality would obviously go down (though it's already pretty low actually) and prices would gradually go up, like on any subscription model ever. Or do they think MS are their friend and they won't have to pay for a huge MS profit coming directly from their pockets ? MS is losing tons of money on $1 GP subscriptions right now, it won't last forever.

I actually think the deal being rejected could be the best news for MS too. It would give them a much less expensive exit door from gaming. GP numbers are bad, layoffs are coming... Only way all this GP thing would have worked was if it was taking off to like 100 million+ subs. Clearly it's not happening, we'd already see the first signs and there are none, people still prefer PlayStation no matter what... Basically it's unlikely GP will ever be profitable for MS, and that was their last try to gain footing in that market. I doubt they're still in gaming market in 5 years. MS cares about huge profits, and it's clear now they won't be there ever. You could see them starting to cut their losses now (hence the layoffs). It would be extremely costly to move on if the deal goes through though, I'm not even sure somebody would buy them Actibliz for half the sum they paid now... Nasdaq lost around 40 % since MS bought Actibliz, and it was already a massive overpay at the time... They're probably looking at a $30 billion+ loss if they resell Actibliz. I kinda doubt they'll fight that much to make that bad deal go through...

Sorry, you cant use the lay offs as an example of things being bad for Xbox/ gamepass, and its company wide.... - literally a recession going on. And they are not the only ones doing it.
The rest, well that's your opinion which you are entitled too.
 

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Sorry, you cant use the lay offs as an example of things being bad for Xbox/ gamepass, and its company wide.... - literally a recession going on. And they are not the only ones doing it.
The rest, well that's your opinion which you are entitled too.

Sure there are layoffs in a lot of corps, but here there are veteran layoffs in the Xbox division, that's the meaningful part. They're supposed to make GP take off as soon as possible or their gaming division is screwed (unless you think they don"t lose money on their $1 GP sub upgrades) and they're still laying off hard to replace veteran people while GP numbers missed their target ? It doesn't make much sense, it looks a bit like starting to cut your losses. You're supposed to go all in after a $100 billion bid between Actibliz, Bethesda and the rest...

GP missing their MS subs target numbers isn't my opinion, it's a fact. So is the nasdaq dropping 40 % after MS offer. You can find the news on a lot of places on the net.
 
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GP missing their MS subs target numbers isn't my opinion, it's a fact. So is the nasdaq dropping 40 % after MS offer. You can find the news on a lot of places on the net.

cheers, I will take a look when I get a moment
 

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Xbox dudes are desperate they’re using the Millie a tweet as evidence that Sony is lying to the cma. This isn’t some random Xbox YouTuber, this is brad sams.
 

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All of this seems like a coordinated effort to rally they’re insane cult and astroturf fan base in lashing out at the cma and Sony. Thankfully I think the Xbox fan base is too small to make that much of an outcry but man Microsoft seem real desperate and angry here.
 
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