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Good damn Phil LOVER.

Hahaha. Actually, it's funny. I didn't like Spencer in the beginning at all. Until E3 2018, I wasn't a fan. Obviously, I am now. lol

So, in the context of concerns from regulatory bodies and well-deserved criticism of MS double-speak regarding exclusives and slogans like "when everybody plays, we all win" - your takeaway is that PS fans are spoiled. Lovely.

Have a good night.

Double speak?? They offered COD to Sony for 3 years. Sony passed. Like, WTF? People should really listen to what Microsoft said in the past. They said they would never remove games from PlayStation. Meaning already released games. You can't remove a game that doesn't exist yet. Listen to what Microsoft is saying and read what they've said. COD is literally the only game they've made any promises to Sony about.

They acquired Bethesda, I said they'll be exclusive because they fucking should be. You don't buy companies just to give your competition what you just bought. That literally makes no sense. They never once said they were going to release future games on PlayStation. Not one single time. Same wording with ABK excluding COD. Same exact fucking wording. Come on.

When everybody plays, meaning THEIR eco-system. Jim Ryan just said he cares about gamers. Really? When has Sony ever cared about Xbox, Sega or Nintendo fans? I just need one example but they aren't any.

It's amazing. Last generation, people wanted Microsoft to compete and do better. But only if it's this way or that way. Only if it doesn't hurt Sony or PlayStation but if it does, oh, it's unacceptable but Sony hurting Microsoft is completely okay. Got it.

It's all good though. Goodnight. :)
 
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Hahaha. Actually, it's funny. I didn't like Spencer in the beginning at all. Until E3 2018, I wasn't a fan. Obviously, I am now. lol



Double speak?? They offered COD to Sony for 3 years. Sony passed. Like, WTF? People should really listen to what Microsoft said in the past. They said they would never remove games from PlayStation. Meaning already released games. You can't remove a game that doesn't exist yet. Listen to what Microsoft is saying and read what they've said. COD is literally the only game they've made any promises to Sony about.

They acquired Bethesda, I said they'll be exclusive because they fucking should be. You don't buy companies just to give your competition what you just bought. That literally makes no sense. They never once said they were going to release future games on PlayStation. Not one single time. Same wording with ABK excluding COD. Same exact fucking wording. Come on.

When everybody plays, meaning THEIR eco-system. Jim Ryan just said he cares about gamers. Really? When has Sony ever cared about Xbox, Sega or Nintendo fans? I just need one example but they aren't any.

It's amazing. Last generation, people wanted Microsoft to compete and do better. But only if it's this way or that way. Only if it doesn't hurt Sony or PlayStation but if it does, oh, it's unacceptable but Sony hurting Microsoft is completely okay. Got it.

It's all good though. Goodnight. :)

Everything I have brought up is in relation to the ongoing events with the ABK acquisition and, to a lesser extent, Zenimax. MS has been called out by regulators for their, yes, double speak regarding exclusives. You seem to be conflating me with someone else or maybe several others. I am not interested in making this personal. At all. You enjoy MS' offerings and have explained why. You also don't see any issue with them buying publishers and removing IP from other platforms. (Please, stop with the semantics. Do I really have to say "future" releases? You know what I mean and hair-splitting is not good conversation.) I understand your perspective. Though, since I hold a drastically different view from you on this, I don't think we're going to find common ground.

That said, I've enjoyed reading your posts - particularly those of your experiences playing games - eg. Steel Rising. I hope there are no hard feelings between us.
 
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Everything I have brought up is in relation to the ongoing events with the ABK acquisition and, to a lesser extent, Zenimax. MS has been called out by regulators for their, yes, double speak regarding exclusives. You seem to be conflating me with someone else or maybe several others. I am not interested in making this personal. At all. You enjoy MS' offerings and have explained why. You also don't see any issue with them buying publishers and removing IP from other platforms. (Please, stop with the semantics. Do I really have to say "future" releases? You know what I mean and hair-splitting is not good conversation.) I understand your perspective. Though, since I hold a drastically different view from you on this, I don't think we're going to find common ground.

That said, I've enjoyed reading your posts - particularly those of your experiences playing games - eg. Steel Rising. I hope there are no hard feelings between us.

I'm sorry if I came across hostile or anything like that. I don't take anything from anyone here personal so it's all good and I don't have any problems with you or anyone here for that matter whatsoever.

The removal of IP isn't something that I believe is true or accurate because if Microsoft (or whoever) buys a company, that's it, it's theirs. I'm simply of the belief that when you buy a company, their past history doesn't matter. It's no longer relevant because all of that history is now owned by the company that made the acquisition and that company can do whatever they want with them because they own them. I simply see it as you can't take something away from Sony that was simply never theirs to begin with.

I don't want Microsoft to acquire every publisher. In truth, I don't even care about ABK because their games outside of Diablo IV are of no interest to me but because I am a huge fan of Game Pass, im not going to complain about any studio or publisher they acquire because if they do have games that I want to play, I know I don't have to buy them. And even if they don't, they could in the future. If Game Pass didn't exist or didn't have Microsoft's games on it day one, then I wouldn't care at all because I would still have to buy the games so there would be no benefit to me whatsoever as an Xbox gamer.

We definitely have different perspectives and nothing wrong with that.

Thanks for the compliments. Steel Rising is a great game. Really enjoyed it despite the fact that im not a souls guy at all. lol
 

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Livestream with Jez right now; (Jez is very funny, very entertaining)

Jezz lost it a few days ago on salty podcast dude, went off on Sony for not showing new games despite their recent SOP(one of the best sop).
Scratched my head after hearing his rant.
I feel like people missed the part where Sony pretty much said they will announce stuff when they are near ready to ship or go gold vs telling gamers to wait 1-2 years from announcement to launch.
Still jezz got better integrity than most.
 
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It's probably because of me and my posts where people think im painting Microsoft as the good guy when in reality, none of them are good. It's just that what Microsoft is doing consumer wise is simply far better and far cheaper than what Sony is doing. Also, for a billion dollar company like Sony to cry over a single game is just wow. They own Bungie. Bungie all of a sudden sucks and can't make a great game to counter COD? If anything, Destiny 2 is the better game. Most COD games are above average at best.

I agree with you in regards to Microsoft management issues and whatnot. No argument there.

As a consumer, im a huge fan of Game Pass because it saves me money that I can use towards more games or for anything else that I want to spend it on. People act as if Microsoft is going to buy the entire gaming industry. Bethesda had money issues. Google could have outbid Microsoft if they wanted to but they didn't because they didn't want to invest the money needed to allow Stadia to compete in the gaming market. Microsoft was able to get Bethesda. The alternatives were going to be the closings of Arkane, Tango and Machine Games in that order if they didn't sell. Plus, obviously they wanted to sell.

With ABK, Kotick obviously wants his out and decided to sell. What is Microsoft supposed to do? Nothing? Just let ABK pass them by? If Microsoft were to let ABK pass them by, their shareholders and investors would be pissed and want people fired including Nadella. If you're a CEO like Nadella, there's no way you can pass on what is a once in a life time type opportunity in acquiring ABK. And it doesn't matter how it looks because at the end of the day, it's ABK who wanted to sell and it's Microsoft who was willing to pay $70B freaking dollars to get them.

As an Xbox fan, the more Microsoft acquires, the more I will benefit so why wouldn't I be in favor of what Microsoft is doing? People say that Sony does things the right way. Like, WTF is this bullshit? What right way? This is business. There is no right way. lol

As a PlayStation fan, I love their exclusives for the most part but seeing Sony nickel and dime their fan base and then cry about a single game that they never owned to begin with and cry about it all despite the fact that they literally built their dominance on exclusivity is just mind boggling. Sony thought that Microsoft was just going to stay the same as they were last generation and keep the status quo but Microsoft decided to go nuclear and Sony can't handle it which I must admit is hilarious to see unfold.

Microsoft heavily subsidizing your gaming habit in the short term is NOT in your best interest. The fact you (and others) don't see this is what is fairly maddening. They are not doing you any favors.
 

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Microsoft heavily subsidizing your gaming habit in the short term is NOT in your best interest. The fact you (and others) don't see this is what is fairly maddening. They are not doing you any favors.
its like turkeys celebrating christmas

its almost mesmerizing how people who write walls and walls of text are so naive or sortsighted
 
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Let me know when you want a genuine discussion. This semantics/conjecture bs ain't it. If you cannot admit that MS removed IPs from Sony and Nintendo, then there is no way anyone can discuss this with you in good faith. As well, the majority of your reply is "but Sony". War chest, Sony are pansies with no backbone, Sony is afraid, it's all there. You don't see this?
he acts like is a good or innocent guy and its pretty clear he is a bad faith actorl.i dont buy his shit for a second
 

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I am having a genuine discussion. Fallout, Elder Scrolls, etc. DON'T belong to Sony. They never did. They never will. So if/when Microsoft acquires a company that was willing to sell, they should release every game on PlayStation despite the fact that Sony built their dominance with exclusivity. Is that what you're saying? Because to me, this just sounds like arrogance, entitlement and being spoiled the last 25+ years.

Microsoft hasn't removed anything. You can't remove something that you never had. Has Microsoft removed any previously released game off PlayStation? No they haven't. But somehow, new IP's like Starfield or Avowed or sequels like Hellblade 2 or The Outer Worlds 2 despite not releasing yet somehow belong to Sony? Seriously, are you freaking kidding me? NONE of what Microsoft has PURCHASED with THEIR MONEY ever belonged to Sony or anyone else for that matter.

It's hilarious to me that PlayStation fans are so spoiled and entitled that they actually believe that when a company acquires another company, that company still somehow someway still belongs to Sony and PlayStation. Wow.

When you read what Sony is saying in regard to this deal, it’s no surprise that their fanboys act the same way. Apparently Sony is worried that if MS spends 70B for ABK, they might give Xbox exclusive CoD content or put it in GamePass and that’s just not right. Let’s ignore that Sony has a history of locking CoD content down for a year 😆
 

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Shit doesn’t add up. Changing divisions, sub categories and grouping non enterprise sectors in with consumer sectors makes it difficult to see how profits are calculated in outside countries.
 

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When you read what Sony is saying in regard to this deal, it’s no surprise that their fanboys act the same way. Apparently Sony is worried that if MS spends 70B for ABK, they might give Xbox exclusive CoD content or put it in GamePass and that’s just not right. Let’s ignore that Sony has a history of locking CoD content down for a year 😆
Sony paid for that. Ms could have outbid them on the 3rd party content and have previously. That’s competition. Such avenues disappear once the ip is locked in ownership to one of the parties, ability to compete is removed.

Not exactly rocket science.
 
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Microsoft heavily subsidizing your gaming habit in the short term is NOT in your best interest. The fact you (and others) don't see this is what is fairly maddening. They are not doing you any favors.

This remains to be seen though. Just because im a fan of Game Pass doesn't mean that I stopped buying games. Between launch and through 2022, I will end up purchasing 22 games out of 25. Only 3 will end up being played and completed via Game Pass. As long as there's options (Game Pass, buying digital and disc, PC, cloud, etc.), I don't see any problems. Now, if Microsoft tries to pull 2013 like shit and you can only play everything via Game Pass and that's it's, then yeah, there will be a huge problem and uproar. Of course, I don't believe that they would get away with anything like this within their own fan base. Microsoft tried to increase Gold to double the price and everyone went nuts and rightfully so.

As of now, Microsoft isn't doing anything bad or negative for me personally so until that actually happens and they screw me over, I have no right to complain but make no mistake, if they do, I will be the first to mouth off about it.

When you read what Sony is saying in regard to this deal, it’s no surprise that their fanboys act the same way. Apparently Sony is worried that if MS spends 70B for ABK, they might give Xbox exclusive CoD content or put it in GamePass and that’s just not right. Let’s ignore that Sony has a history of locking CoD content down for a year 😆

Sony has been extremely hypocritical in their statements because they're worried about Microsoft having exclusive content for COD yet didn't Sony just have an exclusive week long BETA for COD where everyone else had to wait to a week? They paid for content to be exclusive to their platform for a year with COD and Destiny back in the day. Sony is coming across as if they've never ever done any of this shit which I do find hilarious.

I will say that having exclusive content does work because I went with the PS3 version of Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag over Xbox 360 despite Xbox 360 being my primary gaming console because the PlayStation versions had an extra two hours of exclusive playable content with Aveline (from AC Liberation) that to this day still isn't available on Xbox which I literally just checked to make sure. So I understand Sony's point of view and why they're trying to get the ABK deal blocked or whatever, but anyone who isn't blind or delusional can see through all of Sony's bullshit because they've done the same exact shit that they're concerned about Microsoft doing.

I'm someone who has no issues with Sony or Microsoft paying for full/timed exclusivity as all the companies should do what is best for their business, platform and eco-system but im not for a company doing certain things and then that same company cries about if their competitor may or may not do the same thing in the future. It's like, you reap what you sow. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. I mean it's hilarious to me.

If Sony were to acquire Square Enix or get GTA VI as a full console exclusive for PlayStation, then Microsoft would have to suck it up, not cry about any of it and just fight back which is what Sony should be doing. Instead, they're begging CMA and anyone who'll listen to bail them out and even if they're dumb enough to listen to Sony and block the ABK deal, it doesn't matter because they did the same to Meta who took them to court and crushed them. Microsoft would do the same as the courts would rule in Microsoft's favor because all this bullshit is just that - bullshit.

I would have loved to see Jim Ryan and come out and say, "yeah, we lost COD but we've kicked Microsoft's ass for three generations in a row and will do so again this generation and beyond". I would have respected that but instead, he cried to the CMA, like a baby, saying "help". lmao.

Meanwhile, Embracer Group continues to gobble up every development studio in existence but that for some odd reason doesn't count as consolidation. Oh, that's right. They're multi-platform which makes it perfectly fine. SMH. Sony spent around $5B or whatever it was on Bungie. They couldn't offer $10B for ZeniMax/Bethesda? They can't spend around $10B for a Sega or Square Enix? Like, they can't do anything? LOL

Sony is simply trying to come off as being the victim despite the fact that they've been the victor for 25+ years. You can't be a victim if you've never been victimized.
 

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When you read what Sony is saying in regard to this deal, it’s no surprise that their fanboys act the same way. Apparently Sony is worried that if MS spends 70B for ABK, they might give Xbox exclusive CoD content or put it in GamePass and that’s just not right. Let’s ignore that Sony has a history of locking CoD content down for a year 😆
I'm sorry did you say Sony? do you not remember the whole Xbox-360 Generation when it was Xbox that had all the deals?
There is so much more in the document other then Sony, There are whole sections on 3RD Parties that are not sure or do not want it to happen.
I don't mind if it goes through or not but please if you are going to say Sony this Sony that, Don't forget to do the Same for Microsoft.
It's Business, Microsoft has and has had the Money to make New IP or Buy 3rd party deals. They chose not to but instead just buy the whole publishers and not just an IP.
 
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I'm sorry did you say Sony? do you not remember the whole Xbox-360 Generation when it was Xbox that had all the deals?
There is so much more in the document other then Sony, There are whole sections on 3RD Parties that are not sure or do not want it to happen.
I don't mind if it goes through or not but please if you are going to say Sony this Sony that, Don't forget to do the Same for Microsoft.
It's Business, Microsoft has and has had the Money to make New IP or Buy 3rd party deals. They chose not to but instead just buy the whole publishers and not just an IP.

Of course, we all remember MS having 30 day map packs. Not the same thing as 365 day content, but either way, MS isn’t the one being hypocritical about it here. Sony is.

Also, MS has done everything you’re listing. They’ve built studios, they’ve made new IP’s, they’ve made third party deals. And none of it has worked, due in large part to Sony’s moneyhat machine. Nothing wrong with MS doing the same thing.
 

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Also, MS has done everything you’re listing. They’ve built studios, they’ve made new IP’s, they’ve made third party deals. And none of it has worked, due in large part to Sony’s moneyhat machine. Nothing wrong with MS doing the same thing.

People need to look at Microsoft as a company and what they have done with Xbox. You say they have done everything and none of it worked, How is that another companies fault?
Did Sony stop them from bidding on IP aswell? No
Did Sony stop them from Making there own IP? No
But ok ill bow out i guess im wrong? i don't mind talking about things when it makes sense, As its Sony's fault blame Sony point fingers at Sony.
 
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As of now, Microsoft isn't doing anything bad or negative for me personally so until that actually happens and they screw me over, I have no right to complain but make no mistake, if they do, I will be the first to mouth off about it.

Me personally =/= everybody.

ony has been extremely hypocritical in their statements because they're worried about Microsoft having exclusive content for COD yet didn't Sony just have an exclusive week long BETA for COD where everyone else had to wait to a week? They paid for content to be exclusive to their platform for a year with COD and Destiny back in the day. Sony is coming across as if they've never ever done any of this shit which I do find hilarious.

Why do you keep trying to equate paying for exclusive content (Beta, or a skin, etc) with locking a whole IP to a platform? You're literally comparing Apples and Oranges and pretending you're right.

I will say that having exclusive content does work because I went with the PS3 version of Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag over Xbox 360 despite Xbox 360 being my primary gaming console because the PlayStation versions had an extra two hours of exclusive playable content with Aveline (from AC Liberation) that to this day still isn't available on Xbox which I literally just checked to make sure. So I understand Sony's point of view and why they're trying to get the ABK deal blocked or whatever, but anyone who isn't blind or delusional can see through all of Sony's bullshit because they've done the same exact shit that they're concerned about Microsoft doing.

Did Sony pay to gate that content, or did Sony pay to have that content created for their players? because there's a fundamental difference between the two and you don't know which of those statements is accurate.

I'm someone who has no issues with Sony or Microsoft paying for full/timed exclusivity as all the companies should do what is best for their business, platform and eco-system but im not for a company doing certain things and then that same company cries about if their competitor may or may not do the same thing in the future. It's like, you reap what you sow. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. I mean it's hilarious to me.

As a consumer, and I'll be as blunt as I can, you're dumb. Market consolidation is never good, attempts at creating monopolies are never beneficial for consumers. Not only they bar competition from entering the market but they also ensure client choice is limited. This is why I'm against timed exclusives, big acquisitions, etc. As a consumer, I may reap the benefits short term, but it will fuck me long term.

f Sony were to acquire Square Enix or get GTA VI as a full console exclusive for PlayStation, then Microsoft would have to suck it up, not cry about any of it and just fight back which is what Sony should be doing. Instead, they're begging CMA and anyone who'll listen to bail them out and even if they're dumb enough to listen to Sony and block the ABK deal, it doesn't matter because they did the same to Meta who took them to court and crushed them. Microsoft would do the same as the courts would rule in Microsoft's favor because all this bullshit is just that - bullshit.

Microsoft would be in their right to complain, especially if the ABK acquisition fails. And it's not just Sony complaining to the CMA, something you conveniently ignore because you're more concerned about a parallel reality where MS is the good guy and Sony is the bad guy,

would have loved to see Jim Ryan and come out and say, "yeah, we lost COD but we've kicked Microsoft's ass for three generations in a row and will do so again this generation and beyond". I would have respected that but instead, he cried to the CMA, like a baby, saying "help". lmao.

Preventing a competitor from gaining unfair advantage is perfectly legitimate. The CMA seems to think that this acquisition would lead to an SLC.

CONCLUSION ON SUBSTANTIAL LESSENING OF COMPETITION

Based on the evidence set out above, the CMA believes that it is or may be the case that the Merger may be expected to result in an SLC as a result of non- horizontal effects in relation to the following frames of reference in the UK:
(a) the manufacture and supply of gaming consoles (together with their digital storefronts);
(b) the distribution of games through multi-game subscription services; and
(c) the supply of cloud gaming services.

Note of a call with a third party, dated 9 June 2022, paragraph 25; note of a call with a third party, dated 27 June 2022, paragraph 11; and submission by a third party, submitted to the CMA on 26 July 2022, page 28.

Third-party responses to question 13 of the CMA’s Publisher Developer questionnaire; and note of a call with a third party, dated 17 May 2022, paragraph 20.

DECISION
Consequently, the CMA believes that it is or may be the case that (i) arrangements are in progress or in contemplation which, if carried into effect, will result in the creation of a relevant merger situation; and (ii) the creation of that situation may be expected to result in an SLC within a market or markets in the United Kingdom.

The CMA therefore believes that it is under a duty to refer under section 33(1) of the Act. However, the duty to refer is not exercised whilst the CMA is considering whether to accept undertakings under section 73 of the Act instead of making such a reference.356 The Parties have until 8 September 2022357 to offer an undertaking to the CMA.358 The CMA will refer the Merger for a phase 2 investigation359 if the Parties do not offer an undertaking by this date; if the Parties indicate before this date that they do not wish to offer an undertaking; or if the CMA decides360 by 15 September 2022 that there are no reasonable grounds for believing that it might accept the undertaking offered by the Parties, or a modified version of it.

Meanwhile, Embracer Group continues to gobble up every development studio in existence but that for some odd reason doesn't count as consolidation. Oh, that's right. They're multi-platform which makes it perfectly fine. SMH. Sony spent around $5B or whatever it was on Bungie. They couldn't offer $10B for ZeniMax/Bethesda? They can't spend around $10B for a Sega or Square Enix? Like, they can't do anything? LOL

Embracer group is not gating content nor have IPs that are so relevant to the industry like CoD. Also, they're not a direct competitor to MS, Nintendo or Sony, so your comparison is absolutely ridiculous. Microsoft on the other hand, has already gated content even though they said they wouldn't, with Starfield and Elder Scrolls 6. And before you say "but they were never announced for the PS5", ES and Fallout have been on PS consoles for close to 20 years now.

Also, MS has done everything you’re listing. They’ve built studios, they’ve made new IP’s, they’ve made third party deals. And none of it has worked, due in large part to Sony’s moneyhat machine. Nothing wrong with MS doing the same thing.

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