Venom was listed for Fall 2025. Where are you getting your info from?
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No offence but i rather trust him than you
You already wrong for saying venom coming in 2027
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Venom was listed for Fall 2025. Where are you getting your info from?
You shouldn't trust me or him, you should trust Insomniac's slides, where it's mentioned also as 2027.
In game development roadmaps get reviewed every quarter, half a year or year. And 99% of the cases it's to delay them or cancel them, not to release them faster.
Here you have some leaked Insomniac slides considering No Venom release and other ones mentioning 2023 (I assume maybe talking about Spider-Man 2 and had to update the page), 2025 or 2027:
There was also a meeting minutes note/mail apparently from a Venom greenlight meeting where they were mentioning about moving resources from the Insomniacs projects to be released after 2027 to the projects to be released until 2027 (pretty likely meaning they were going to have a release in 2027).
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Insomniac is the only PS Studio still releasing games consistently, the rest have been silent since 2019, by 2025 it will have been 6 years or more for some of these studios.
They better come out with a masterpiece for taking This long
They better come out with a masterpiece for taking This long
I am eating good this yeah, plus, who cares, i live now.
2024
2024
Where on this slide does it say 2027 though? Also why would it take Insomniac 4 years, to make an 8-10 hour smaller scale game with the same assets as SM2? It took 2 years to make MM. The only way Venom is 2027 is if the Venom game is much bigger and on the scale of SM2, which I don’t see happening.Here you have some Insomniac slides considering No Venom release and other ones mentioning 2027, 2025 and (I assume maybe talking about Spider-Man 2) 2023:
There was also a meeting minutes note/mail apparently from a Venom greenlight meeting where they were mentioning about moving resources from the Insomniacs projects to be released after 2027 to the projects to be released until 2027 (pretty likely meaning they were going to have a release in 2027).
Insomniac is the only PS Studio that had enough people to have 3 or 4 games being developed at the same time several years ago, while most of the other teams had only one. In fact Insomniac are two studios, not one.
Insomniac, like the rest of the PS Studios teams, needs around 5-9 years to develop a current gen game.
All PS Studios in recent years have been / are growing and now are working in multiple games at the same time, so in the future they'll release games more frequently.
This one, see the right part of the slide and the note in the bottom left corner.
Youre saying insomniac has much larger workers than guerella, naughty dog, polyphony, santa monica studio?
Doubt that but theyre more efficient right now
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As I said, years ago yes.Youre saying insomniac has much larger workers than guerella, naughty dog, polyphony, santa monica studio?
Insomniac was able to work in 3-4 games at the same time while the other teams worked most of the time only in 1. But the other studios have been growing during the Jim Ryan era, so they are getting closer to Insomniac and now are able to work at the same time in multiple games.
Wikipedia:
Insomniac: >400 (2021)
Guerrilla: 360 (June 2021, were working at the same time in HFW, CoM and Horizon Online, now in H3 after HFW+CoM)
Polyphony: ~300 (Feb. 2022, work in post launch content of a game while developing the next one)
SMS: 400 (Nov 2022, moved from GoWR to next GoW, small team worked in Valhalla and maybe there's the supposed new IP)
ND: >400 (July 2023, grew to start to work in 3 new games early 2023)
LinkedIn as of today:
Insomniac: 517
Guerrilla: 416
Polyphony: 83 (LinkedIn isn't popular in Japan)
SMS: 417
ND: 846
This slide has Wolverine in 2026 and Venom in 2027. See the top right corner of the graph and the note in the bottom left
The Fermi paradox applies here: if they are working on even more games, where are those games?
Other than the already released ones, they are being developed because AAA are made in 5-9 years, not in 3 months.
In the case of ND they released TLOU2, TLOUP1, Uncharted LoT, TLOU2R, started TLOU Online in 2019 but cancelled it. And as we know started a SP game around 2021 and another in H1 2023, so it's too early to show them.
SSM released GoWR2 in 2022 and Valhalla in 2023. So the next GoW is years away from being shown. They may also be working in the Cory new IP since late 2018/early 2019, which could be shown and released at an moment.
Insomniac released Spider-Man 2 in 2023, it's working on Wolverine (2026), Venom (2027, but maybe 2025) and Spider-Man 3 (2028).
Polyphony released GT7 in 2022, GT7VR in 2023, is releasing content for GT7 and working in minimum GT8, which obviously it's too early to show.
Guerrilla released HFW in 2022 and CoM in 2023. They hired a former Killzone 2 MP director to direct Horizon Online in 2018, so the game could be shown this or next year, which could be the same Horizon game -or not- being (co?) developed at NCSoft for mobile and PC. Since they shipped HFW they are also working in Horizon 3, which obviously it's too early to be shown.
If I had to bet out of all these studios the next game to be shown, and very likely this year, would be Cory's IP (if it ended being pitched and greenlighted) and probably later the Horizon MP game.
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Usually these kind of insiders (lol) always overhype anything Playstation rumors whatever like there's some unannounced fan favorite AAA games coming. So you can guess it gonna be DS2, Wolverine and maybe the most suspected Tsushima sequel plus Venom game. Stop pretending there's some mysterious unannounced shits when every Sony first-party big games got leaked left and right already shinobi lol.
Not that many difference between insomniac and the other studios
And naughty dog still have twice amount of manpower than insomniac
This shows insomniac are more efficient at producing games has nothing to do with the numbers of employee
As I mentioned they all grew, specially the non-Insomniac teams.
Several years ago, in the pre-Jim Ryan era (more than 5 years ago, which the minimum of the average AAA takes to be done), Insomniac was considerably bigger than the other ones.
The other teams have now a relatively similar size to Insomniac and are working on multiple games at the same time, which means that some years in the future they'll have a similar output than Insomniac.
But the AAA games released now were started 5-9 years ago, when Insomniac was bigger than the rest.
Go and find what was the size of these teams in 2016-2018 (or earlier) to see the difference with their current numbers.
I hope you enjoyed the 2nd 2023 showcase they were hyping, or the Square Enix acquisition in 2023 they were also hyping.
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But as i said before
Has nothing to do with numbers of employee
The other guy ( naughty dog) have more than 800 employee and seems to struggle to release new game
Lets give credit to insomniac where it deserves
Strong start, middling middle, and knock out last years of the console sound like a winning strategy to me.
Haters should savor 2024, it’s over for them from 25 on.
Haters should savor 2024, it’s over for them from 25 on.
As I said the 800 LinkedIn number must be taken with a grain of salt since the real number must be way lower because many fans put themselves as workers of their favorite companies and some people who left a company takes time to update their linkedin.
ND released in 3 years and a half TLOU2, Uncharted LoT Collection, its PC port, TLOUP1, its PC port, TLOU2R. They are not struggling. They cancelled TLOU Online, which is normal in game development. They have minimum 2 big new games under development, which by normal AAA standards (specially Sony time frames) are in a too early stage of development to be shown and there are not signs at all that they may have any issue.
When you put that way theres strong posibility insomniac also has lower number of workers
So credit where it belongs for insomniac for their efficiency