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PS fans need to circle the wagon. Online Gaming gated by a subscription service (PS Plus Essential) is NOT acceptable, is wrong, and should STOP!
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You don't want to pay $80 for online but ur fine to pay $1000's of dollars for PC parts?
Eventually PC will also have paid online, it's not a matter of if but when.
Most MMOs are already behind a paywall anyways, most online PC games are filled to the brim with micro transactions.
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Are you suggesting that $1000 going into PC parts funds online gaming on PC? If Yes, explain. If No is the point that PC affordability is a problem?
As for eventually PC doing the same, I very much hope that it does not. Not everyone should suffer cause others do - the paradigm. "Don't wish thy neighbor harm". Reminds me of Xbox fanboys wishing Sony started releasing PS exclusives to PC. This way PS fanboys wouldn't have ammo to bash Xbox fanboys online cause MS decided to do so first and degrade the Xbox platform differentiation. Xbox fanboys did get their wish... sort of. Changed a thing? Nope.
Most games on consoles with an online component are full of microtransactions as well.
The first point is a misdirection, the second is wishful thinking and the last point is obviously inconsequential and irrelevant to the question.
It's ok. Not gonna push further, I think it's clear for anyone with a brain.
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Huh? Why you didn’t yell about that when Jack Tretton announced mandatory online play behind paywall 10 years ago? That was the biggest price increase.
damn, everyone who thinks the $20 increase is no big deal should paypal me $20 immediately for entertaining you fucks for free
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I did. No one listened and was rather more happy that Sony wasn't killing physical and used games sales to care about those other things. The alternative was a Wii U, which I enjoyed believe it or not - free online there, or PC, which I also partake for gaming - although not my preferred platform - console first type.
Is that bio enough or you need more details on what OP was doing at the time of this travesty? I know purity and a clean record is important when pontificating. You do have to wonder why corrupt, lying politicians keep getting elected all the time tho...
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Yep, charge what you want for subscription services, but online gaming should be free if this is the tack Sony is taking with the basic service.
It's just weird that people complain about $80 paid online but have no problem with spending thousands of dollars for a Gaming PC.
Paid Online is here to stay wether you like it or not, Just like DLC and Micro transactions.
It won't be long before we go into a digital only future as well, you can complain all day until the cows come home but it isn't going to make these companies change their mind.
49 million people are willing to pay for online on PlayStation, just make ur peace already and accept it.
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On my computer screen, and I believe on some forums. Lmao.
I've decided to make and wage war against it whenever I feel like it, whether others like it or not. So once in a while, and specially around times of potential rage due to these corps milking consumers for no reason other than greed I capitalize and raise the issue to the fore. My time, my way.
I'm not blind to the numbers or reality. Thanks but no thanks to the suggestion. You be you.
Funny, it's not about me.
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You rather I raided the PlayStation campus on San Mateo with an artillery strike? Mind you, Redmond would be the first to go, just to build the killstreak.
Why you making this about the OP tho?
You know, discrediting the messenger is the oldest trick in the book right? Not only is it a simpleton's game, it shows the intent of the poster in question, and the malice and rage behind it..... usually. Not very sophisticated.
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Vote with your wallet. Buy a PC then, spend 1000$ for it. That's 6 years of Premium. Otherwise, bitching on forum won't to shit. Looks like you didn't learned anything.
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I already own a PC. More to the point, I'm actually a premium subscriber and have been a PS Plus subscriber on and off but mostly on since the PS4 released.
"If you dislike it this much here, why don't you leave"
Vote with whatever.
"If you don't like the policies of the current presidential administration migrate to some other country and leave your country of birth"
Vote with your feet.
Halfwits are born every day.
The solution is clearly a policy change, an administration change etc. Now you can argue the likelihood of that happening and the odds being against it but defaulting to that other line of discourse is as idiotic as it comes. Just my two cents. Obviously if a market actor could replace the PS ecosystem for 90% of its attractive qualities, while shedding the unwanted qualities then there is no more obvious recourse than to switch... but that is not the case for the time being - Xbox is simply worse at practically every metric.
I do vote with my wallet, whenever I feel like it. Usually doesn't turn out well in this oligopoly of a market but wallet voting did do the work during the Xbox One/PS4 era for keeping DRM out and physical, and used-games sales alive. It worked to some extent during the X360/PS3 era.... when Sony thought that "getting a second job" was funny. Sometimes it works, sometimes it does not.
Won't auto-renew premium that's for sure. Extra is where actual value is at but at the price increase it's a stretch as well - I buy most of what I want before it ever shows up at this service. But if decide to drop it, it's gonna be all together as usual, won't be the first time. Problem is, as always, when a traditional online game drops, otherwise I wouldn't care at all - point of the thread.
Now that you have had enough about me Plex how about some of you.
Is online gaming behind a paywall acceptable, OK or should it STOP? Do vote on the poll. Least you can do.
"If you dislike it this much here, why don't you leave"
Vote with whatever.
"If you don't like the policies of the current presidential administration migrate to some other country and leave your country of birth"
Vote with your feet.
Halfwits are born every day.
The solution is clearly a policy change, an administration change etc. Now you can argue the likelihood of that happening and the odds being against it but defaulting to that other line of discourse is as idiotic as it comes. Just my two cents. Obviously if a market actor could replace the PS ecosystem for 90% of its attractive qualities, while shedding the unwanted qualities then there is no more obvious recourse than to switch... but that is not the case for the time being - Xbox is simply worse at practically every metric.
I do vote with my wallet, whenever I feel like it. Usually doesn't turn out well in this oligopoly of a market but wallet voting did do the work during the Xbox One/PS4 era for keeping DRM out and physical, and used-games sales alive. It worked to some extent during the X360/PS3 era.... when Sony thought that "getting a second job" was funny. Sometimes it works, sometimes it does not.
Won't auto-renew premium that's for sure. Extra is where actual value is at but at the price increase it's a stretch as well - I buy most of what I want before it ever shows up at this service. But if decide to drop it, it's gonna be all together as usual, won't be the first time. Problem is, as always, when a traditional online game drops, otherwise I wouldn't care at all - point of the thread.
Now that you have had enough about me Plex how about some of you.
Is online gaming behind a paywall acceptable, OK or should it STOP? Do vote on the poll. Least you can do.
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So probably people did prefer paying annual, instead of monthly fees.
Xbots were acting like $60/$100/$120 per year was some crazy tycoon money, when this was lifted as a pro.
I bet "well oiled wiener" Ryan was looking at the lack of annual price for GP, (well core ...what ever its called... has it now $60/year)
and was thinking how much money they are loosing.
Xbots were acting like $60/$100/$120 per year was some crazy tycoon money, when this was lifted as a pro.
I bet "well oiled wiener" Ryan was looking at the lack of annual price for GP, (well core ...what ever its called... has it now $60/year)
and was thinking how much money they are loosing.
It’s garbage to keep it going like this just to cater to Warzone and Fortnite which bypass the paywall. Either drop it or move those games behind the paywall as well. It effectively hurts competition in favor of the biggest moneymakers.
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The absurdity doesn't end there. If you analyze the market dynamics of it you realize that it's also bad for the industry as well. Wasn't there a study saying about 30% of PS Plus subscribers would drop PS Plus if not for the online paywall? That's about 14.2 million gamers out of the 47.5 million subs - spending $60 a year on a service they do not want or wish.
So, those $60 dollars, instead of rewarding a developer through the purchase of a game of a consumer's choice - the natural healthy thing - is instead going to fatten Sony's pockets. Now a $60 sale is not a big deal as it's the price of a single AAA game but when you break it down to say a $25 dollar sale for an indie game here, and a $15 sale of another game there.... it adds up and is consequential to those getting the sale proceeds. Translate that to 14.2 million gamers and we're talking about $852 million dollars per year that is not going into funding game developers in the traditional - healthy fashion. Sony literally choosing winners and losers here... in this case Sony first and foremost, and second being the sums of money Sony pays to the devs Sony handpicks for the couple games they give out on PS Plus per month.
MS and Xbox is even worse here... Xbox Live Gold, now Gamepass Core is worse on its "game offerings" or "value proposition", and prior to the Xbox One, gave you literally nothing in return. It's not like MS cares much about the console space anyway - their goal will always be monopolistic control of the industry as a whole - a console is a means to an end to remove competitors blocking the realization of that goal. Fucking the industry in the process is a sacrifice MS is more than willing to make.
Now the counter argument is that we have no guarantee that if the paywall was removed that all those 14.2 million gamers would actually spend that $60 on gaming, and could instead spend it elsewhere. But that is like saying there is a guarantee that if you force consumers to spend $60 on plus, that there is still abundant disposable income for other games and that such spending is not affecting a gamers yearly budget and allocation of money to gaming - in this case reducing the max they're willing to spend on gaming any given year.
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