PS5 Pro updated rumors/leaks & technical/specs discussion |OT| PS5 Pro Enhanced Requirements Detailed.

[Evilms]

PlayStation 5 Pro Zen 2 CPU Will Be Denser Than Base Model's; Spectral Super Resolution Is Not a Fork of FSR 4

While the PlayStation 5 Pro CPU will still be a Zen 2 CPU, it will be denser, thus offering more improvements, according to rumors

wccftech.com

- He says that PSSR is not a fork of the upcoming FSR 4 from AMD but totally developed by Sony.
- PS5 Pro CPU while being still on Zen 2 is engraved at 4 Nm so it gonna be denser than the base one.
- PS5 Pro could be smaller than the actual PS5 and betseen it it and the PS5 Slim because of that.
- They could fit the 500 buck price tag if they want to.

 

[Evilms]

EXCLUSIVE - PS5 Pro Enhanced Requirements Detailed​

EXCLUSIVE - PS5 Pro Enhanced Requirements Detailed

Insider Gaming has learned of the developer requirements that need to be met to have the 'PS5 Pro Enhanced' label.

insider-gaming.com

 

[Shmunter]

EXCLUSIVE - PS5 Pro Enhanced Requirements Detailed​

EXCLUSIVE - PS5 Pro Enhanced Requirements Detailed

Insider Gaming has learned of the developer requirements that need to be met to have the 'PS5 Pro Enhanced' label.

insider-gaming.com

The ‘Enhanced’ label first made its introduction into the PlayStation ecosystem following the release of the PlayStation 4 Pro, which meant that the game utilized the Pro console’s improved hardware to offer improved frame rates and resolutions. For the PS5 Pro PlayStation wants games to offer a PS5 Pro-exclusive graphics mode that will combine:

- PSSR to upscale resolution to 4K
- A constant 60FPS
- Add or increase ray tracing effects

 

[anonpuffs]

The ‘Enhanced’ label first made its introduction into the PlayStation ecosystem following the release of the PlayStation 4 Pro, which meant that the game utilized the Pro console’s improved hardware to offer improved frame rates and resolutions. For the PS5 Pro PlayStation wants games to offer a PS5 Pro-exclusive graphics mode that will combine:

- PSSR to upscale resolution to 4K
- A constant 60FPS
- Add or increase ray tracing effects

You had me at constant 60fps
It's a day 1 buy

 

[Jim Ryan]

The ‘Enhanced’ label first made its introduction into the PlayStation ecosystem following the release of the PlayStation 4 Pro, which meant that the game utilized the Pro console’s improved hardware to offer improved frame rates and resolutions. For the PS5 Pro PlayStation wants games to offer a PS5 Pro-exclusive graphics mode that will combine:

- PSSR to upscale resolution to 4K
- A constant 60FPS
- Add or increase ray tracing effects

Great info. Glad they have set the standards.

 

[Entropi]

Is the consensus that PSSR used dedicated AI processors similar to DLSS or standard RDNA compute units for upscaling?

 

[anonpuffs]

Is the consensus that PSSR used dedicated AI processors similar to DLSS or standard RDNA compute units for upscaling?

no one knows yet. It's possible they found some way to leverage the dual-issue fp32 of rdna3 to do it since it's for the most part unused otherwise.

 

[Polyh3dron]

- PSSR to upscale resolution to 4K
- A constant 60FPS
- Add or increase ray tracing effects

LET'S
FUCKING
GO

 

[Shmunter]

Is the consensus that PSSR used dedicated AI processors similar to DLSS or standard RDNA compute units for upscaling?

no one knows yet. It's possible they found some way to leverage the dual-issue fp32 of rdna3 to do it since it's for the most part unused otherwise.

Can’t be bothered googling now, but I’m pretty sure it’s universally settled that there is going to be specific AI blocks within the console. Feel free to clear it up if I’m mistaken.

 

[ToTTenTranz]

Is the consensus that PSSR used dedicated AI processors similar to DLSS or standard RDNA compute units for upscaling?

The 300 TOPs leaked spec points to the GPU using UINT4 in RDNA3's Wave Matrix Multiply Accumulate with the 60 CUs running at 2.45GHz.

How to accelerate AI applications on RDNA 3 using WMMA

This blog is a quick how-to guide for using the WMMA feature with our RDNA 3 GPU architecture using a Hello World example.

gpuopen.com

So no, there's probably no dedicated tensor units made by Sony in there. It's just using RDNA3's CUs.

It probably wouldn't make much sense to have dedicated tensor units considering the modest increase in memory bandwidth. It's the same reason it wouldn't make much sense to put a much more powerful CPU in there.

 

[Shmunter]

The 300 TOPs leaked spec points to the GPU using UINT4 in RDNA3's Wave Matrix Multiply Accumulate with the 60 CUs running at 2.45GHz.

How to accelerate AI applications on RDNA 3 using WMMA

This blog is a quick how-to guide for using the WMMA feature with our RDNA 3 GPU architecture using a Hello World example.

gpuopen.com

So no, there's probably no dedicated tensor units made by Sony in there. It's just using RDNA3's CUs.

It probably wouldn't make much sense to have dedicated tensor units considering the modest increase in memory bandwidth. It's the same reason it wouldn't make much sense to put a much more powerful CPU in there.

The CPU similarly is strictly down to being the same Gen, gfx can scale - gameplay needs to be the same.

 

[Entropi]

The 300 TOPs leaked spec points to the GPU using UINT4 in RDNA3's Wave Matrix Multiply Accumulate with the 60 CUs running at 2.45GHz.

How to accelerate AI applications on RDNA 3 using WMMA

This blog is a quick how-to guide for using the WMMA feature with our RDNA 3 GPU architecture using a Hello World example.

gpuopen.com

So no, there's probably no dedicated tensor units made by Sony in there. It's just using RDNA3's CUs.

It probably wouldn't make much sense to have dedicated tensor units considering the modest increase in memory bandwidth. It's the same reason it wouldn't make much sense to put a much more powerful CPU in there.

That makes sense. Thanks.

 

[Evilms]

 

[Evilms]

PlayStation 5 Pro Has Been Designed to Provide Developers Easy and Economical Ways to Implement Enhancements

While Sony was limited with what it could do with the PlayStation 5 Pro, the hardware has been designed to be as developer-friendly as possible

wccftech.com

 

[Shmunter]

PlayStation 5 Pro Has Been Designed to Provide Developers Easy and Economical Ways to Implement Enhancements

While Sony was limited with what it could do with the PlayStation 5 Pro, the hardware has been designed to be as developer-friendly as possible

wccftech.com

Don’t like this bit…

“Last week, we learned more about the PlayStation 5 Pro enhanced label, which will be granted to titles offering increased resolution, frame rate, and PS5 Pro ray tracing effects. Only one of these improvements will be enough for a game to receive the enhanced label, so it is unlikely we will see many titles offering both 60 frames per second gameplay with enhanced ray tracing”

 

[panda-zebra]

Don’t like this bit…

“Last week, we learned more about the PlayStation 5 Pro enhanced label, which will be granted to titles offering increased resolution, frame rate, and PS5 Pro ray tracing effects. Only one of these improvements will be enough for a game to receive the enhanced label, so it is unlikely we will see many titles offering both 60 frames per second gameplay with enhanced ray tracing”

I don't like the framing of the whole article one bit, but then what can you expect from wtftech.com and their history of pushing green-tinged agendas?

 

[ToTTenTranz]

“Last week, we learned more about the PlayStation 5 Pro enhanced label, which will be granted to titles offering increased resolution, frame rate, and PS5 Pro ray tracing effects. Only one of these improvements will be enough for a game to receive the enhanced label, so it is unlikely we will see many titles offering both 60 frames per second gameplay with enhanced ray tracing”

Makes sense, as there's not enough performance overhead compared to the PS5 to be able to apply all at once.

There's +45% rasterization performance and an upscaling that allows it to run at ~66% of the resolution compared to PS5's temporal solutions.
1.45/0.6 = ~2.2x. If they double the framerate from 30 to 60FPS then there's little left over performance to increase resolution or raytracing.


I think the best implementations in single player games will be doing base 40FPS + VRR with raytracing global illumination and shadows, and multiplayer games will bet on doing 60FPS+VRR in quality mode.

 

[Shmunter]

Makes sense, as there's not enough performance overhead compared to the PS5 to be able to apply all at once.

There's +45% rasterization performance and an upscaling that allows it to run at ~66% of the resolution compared to PS5's temporal solutions.
1.45/0.6 = ~2.2x. If they double the framerate from 30 to 60FPS then there's little left over performance to increase resolution or raytracing.


I think the best implementations in single player games will be doing base 40FPS + VRR with raytracing global illumination and shadows, and multiplayer games will bet on doing 60FPS+VRR in quality mode.

How much headroom does the ps dlss offer?

 

[Killer_Sakoman]

How much headroom does the ps dlss offer?

I expect that the pro will give us either double the fps or 2x better image resolution or same resolutionbut with better RT. Don't expect 2x of all together.

 

[ToTTenTranz]

How much headroom does the ps dlss offer?

They claim to be targeting 1080p for a 4K presentation at similar image quality, so 25% of the amount of pixels compared to native 4K.
Most PS5 games seem to use 1440p or higher + temporal upscale to reach a 4K presentation.

So in practice, if the PS5 could use PSSR (probably can't because RDNA2 lacks WMMA) then it would be the performance difference between rendering at 1080p and 1440p.


On a fairly demanding RT-enabled game, like e.g. Hogwarts Legacy, the headroom you're asking for seems to be at around +50% performance.

Of course none of this is perfectly linear. We don't know if e.g. FSR3.2 will eventually come out and makes RDNA2 GPUs run at 25% resolution with close-to-native quality, for example.