Redfall is launching on Xbox consoles with Quality mode only (4K30FPS)

[Nitro]

You can easily see where Phil had power and control compared to when he didn't. Rare released Sea of Thieves and while it was a 68 at launch, it's more like an 80+ game now.

The problem with that is, Phil Spencer was, and had been, firmly in charge of Xbox when SoT released in barebones state. Fast forward all the way to Halo: Infinite and he's again apologizing for something he should have known was in an incomplete state.

Case in point - my friend who's a PlayStation loyalist since 1995 launch ignores Forza and Flight Sim because he doesn't give two shits about them and neither do I but they still count.

Nobody should discount Flight Simulator because of a lack of personal interest. I agree. It should be discounted because it's a port of a game that released on PC before Xbox Series X/S even launched. It's disqualified for the same reason The Last of Us was discounted as a next-gen PS4 title.

I take your point about Phil gaining serious financial leverage after being slipped the access code to Microsoft's inner vault, but that makes me shudder to think where Xbox would be under his leadership if he wasn't given major help.

 

[peter42O]

The problem with that is, Phil Spencer was, and had been, firmly in charge of Xbox when SoT released in barebones state. Fast forward all the way to Halo: Infinite and he's again apologizing for something he should have known was in an incomplete state.

No argument here. I agree completely especially with Halo Infinite.

Nobody should discount Flight Simulator because of a lack of personal interest. I agree. It should be discounted because it's a port of a game that released on PC before Xbox Series X/S even launched. It's disqualified for the same reason The Last of Us was discounted as a next-gen PS4 title.

I take your point about Phil gaining serious financial leverage after being slipped the access code to Microsoft's inner vault, but that makes me shudder to think where Xbox would be under his leadership if he wasn't given major help.

The difference between Flight Simulator and TLOU is that Flight Simulator was releasing for the first time on Xbox consoles where as TLOU was a re-release on PS4 consoles due to it releasing on PS3 consoles. Flight Simulator on Series X/S unlike TLOU wasn't remastered due to it releasing on console for the first time. Games that are simply PC based like Flight Simulator, Gears Tactics and Age of Empires always release on PC first. Should they be available day one on Series X/S? Yes but obviously that didn't happen.

In all honesty, if Phil didn't convince Nadella to keep Xbox alive, it would be dead so his leadership skills or lack there of wouldn't matter.

 

[Alabtrosmyster]

I agree with you but let's be honest, even if he disagreed, those who are higher up almost never listen to those under them. They just don't. If you're not the "guy", your power and control is literally non-existent. Everyone that's on top of the food chain is always going to do things their way and doesn't matter who likes it or not.

Normally people higher up go on and give general orders, they should not be involved in the day-to-day operations of the company. Phil was at least responsible for creating a bad work environment that did not allow employees to do their best. Or he built the wrong team for the projects.

Anyway, 5 years after they started their studios purchase spree, of which many had projects in production already, we should have had something notable from them before.

So, I kind of think something may happen at some point, but I also heard him say "next year" so many times that it feels stupid to just give him the benefit of the doubt, it has been for years. The guy is a clown.

 

[peter42O]

Normally people higher up go on and give general orders, they should not be involved in the day-to-day operations of the company. Phil was at least responsible for creating a bad work environment that did not allow employees to do their best. Or he built the wrong team for the projects.

Anyway, 5 years after they started their studios purchase spree, of which many had projects in production already, we should have had something notable from them before.

So, I kind of think something may happen at some point, but I also heard him say "next year" so many times that it feels stupid to just give him the benefit of the doubt, it has been for years. The guy is a clown.

Agreed but this is also why I say the second half of the current generation will be far better than the first half for Xbox and let's say for argument sake that happens. No one is going to care about the first half of the current generation. The current generation has 5 1/2 years left in my opinion so we'll see what happens.

 

[Nitro]

The difference between Flight Simulator and TLOU is that Flight Simulator was releasing for the first time on Xbox consoles

I'm not seeing a strong enough distinction. The Last of Us was a PS3 game released before the eighth generation of video game consoles began. Flight Simulator was a PC game that released before the ninth generation of video game consoles began. That was the only demarcation line that mattered prior. It's subsequent release on console for the first time is beside the point. We can't reasonably count it as a next-generation release when its original publication predates the next-gen timeframe by almost a full year.

In all honesty, if Phil didn't convince Nadella to keep Xbox alive, it would be dead so his leadership skills or lack there of wouldn't matter.

Dead is a extreme, I think. They should have come to acceptance with 3rd place for the foreseeable future, while looking to distinguish themselves through initiatives like Mixed Reality and Virtual Reality on console. Microsoft has more muscle to grow that market faster than Sony or Nintendo. Remember the excitement when Xbox showed off that amazing Minecraft demo? Kinda drifting away from the topic.

 

[KiryuRealty]

I'm not seeing a strong enough distinction. The Last of Us was a PS3 game released before the eighth generation of video game consoles began. Flight Simulator was a PC game that released before the ninth generation of video game consoles began. That was the only demarcation line that mattered prior. It's subsequent release on console for the first time is beside the point. We can't reasonably count it as a next-generation release when its original publication predates the next-gen timeframe by almost a full year.



Dead is an extreme, I think. They should have come to acceptance with 3rd place for the foreseeable future, while looking to distinguish themselves through initiatives like Mixed Reality and Virtual Reality on console. Microsoft has more muscle to grow that market faster than Sony or Nintendo. Remember the excitement when Xbox showed off that amazing Minecraft demo? Kinda drifting away from the topic.

Microsoft sucks at games, but you clearly prove that their marketing works on the gullible.

 

[Nhomnhom]

Remember the excitement when Xbox showed off that amazing Minecraft demo? Kinda drifting away from the topic.

Now lets just imagine how it would have gone if it was Sony that had made that fake Minecraft demonstration, promoted nonsense like IllumiRoom and later had launched a mid gen console promising VR support just to never release it or support VR in any way.

Where is the RT Minecraft? One of the first games that they showed to promote the Series consoles.

Absolutely shameless.

 

[peter42O]

I'm not seeing a strong enough distinction. The Last of Us was a PS3 game released before the eighth generation of video game consoles began. Flight Simulator was a PC game that released before the ninth generation of video game consoles began. That was the only demarcation line that mattered prior. It's subsequent release on console for the first time is beside the point. We can't reasonably count it as a next-generation release when its original publication predates the next-gen timeframe by almost a full year.

The main distinction is that Flight Simulator was confirmed for next generation Xbox consoles before the game released on PC where as with TLOU, it was never announced for PS4. None of the consoles were released when the respective games released on PC and PS3 but Flight Simulator was always confirmed for next generation Xbox consoles. The only console it wasn't confirmed for was Xbox One for obvious reasons. Plus, unlike TLOU which obviously ran on PS3, there's no way Flight simulator was going to run on a base 2013 Xbox One. Plus, it wasn't remastered or anything for Xbox Series. It was basically a straight port from PC which makes sense since both Xbox Series X/S have x86 architecture which basically makes them both form factor PC's anyway. I would agree if Flight Simulator was released on Xbox One and then remastered for Xbox Series a few years later but it was a straight port from PC. Took 11 months mainly due to make sure it was optimized, playable and configured for the consoles.

Dead is a extreme, I think. They should have come to acceptance with 3rd place for the foreseeable future, while looking to distinguish themselves through initiatives like Mixed Reality and Virtual Reality on console. Microsoft has more muscle to grow that market faster than Sony or Nintendo. Remember the excitement when Xbox showed off that amazing Minecraft demo? Kinda drifting away from the topic.

Microsoft was seriously considering shutting down Xbox as a gaming division and platform in 2017. And with only 5 studios, not much point in keeping it alive if they weren't going to be all in with gaming and Xbox. Outside of NA, they'll always be third place but I see that a positive because as long as they're making a lot of revenue and profit which they are and will even more so after ABK goes through, there's a better chance of getting more out of Microsoft and Xbox. They screw up repeatedly being in 3rd place so imagine if they were 1st or even 2nd. They need to keep taking the hits and lumps because it's the only way for them to truly get better in the long term.

I see them distinguishing themselves by having a different business and pricing model being Game Pass. I don't ever see Mixed Reality or Virtual Reality doing anything when it comes to console gaming because like game streaming, it's not how people want to play their games and consumer their content. For VR specifically, I think Microsoft would be far better suited to get Oculus Rift to be compatible with Series consoles as opposed to making their own VR headset which I don't want Microsoft to do at all. The Minecraft demo looked amazing but it was also just a demo similar to Unreal Engine 5 three years ago or the Matrix demo. It demonstrates of what can be done but not exactly what you're going to be getting game wise.

 

[KiryuRealty]

The main distinction is that Flight Simulator was confirmed for next generation Xbox consoles before the game released on PC where as with TLOU, it was never announced for PS4. None of the consoles were released when the respective games released on PC and PS3 but Flight Simulator was always confirmed for next generation Xbox consoles. The only console it wasn't confirmed for was Xbox One for obvious reasons. Plus, unlike TLOU which obviously ran on PS3, there's no way Flight simulator was going to run on a base 2013 Xbox One. Plus, it wasn't remastered or anything for Xbox Series. It was basically a straight port from PC which makes sense since both Xbox Series X/S have x86 architecture which basically makes them both form factor PC's anyway. I would agree if Flight Simulator was released on Xbox One and then remastered for Xbox Series a few years later but it was a straight port from PC. Took 11 months mainly due to make sure it was optimized, playable and configured for the consoles.



Microsoft was seriously considering shutting down Xbox as a gaming division and platform in 2017. And with only 5 studios, not much point in keeping it alive if they weren't going to be all in with gaming and Xbox. Outside of NA, they'll always be third place but I see that a positive because as long as they're making a lot of revenue and profit which they are and will even more so after ABK goes through, there's a better chance of getting more out of Microsoft and Xbox. They screw up repeatedly being in 3rd place so imagine if they were 1st or even 2nd. They need to keep taking the hits and lumps because it's the only way for them to truly get better in the long term.

I see them distinguishing themselves by having a different business and pricing model being Game Pass. I don't ever see Mixed Reality or Virtual Reality doing anything when it comes to console gaming because like game streaming, it's not how people want to play their games and consumer their content. For VR specifically, I think Microsoft would be far better suited to get Oculus Rift to be compatible with Series consoles as opposed to making their own VR headset which I don't want Microsoft to do at all. The Minecraft demo looked amazing but it was also just a demo similar to Unreal Engine 5 three years ago or the Matrix demo. It demonstrates of what can be done but not exactly what you're going to be getting game wise.

Shill harder, I’m almost there!!!!

 

[Alabtrosmyster]

I see them distinguishing themselves by having a different business and pricing model being Game Pass. I don't ever see Mixed Reality or Virtual Reality doing anything when it comes to console gaming because like game streaming, it's not how people want to play their games and consumer their content. For VR specifically, I think Microsoft would be far better suited to get Oculus Rift to be compatible with Series consoles as opposed to making their own VR headset which I don't want Microsoft to do at all. The Minecraft demo looked amazing but it was also just a demo similar to Unreal Engine 5 three years ago or the Matrix demo. It demonstrates of what can be done but not exactly what you're going to be getting game wise.

You sound like a spinster or some sort of highly dedicated sales person. Everything they do is more or less offer the same product as Sony or even Nintendo to some degree. A console for console gamers, online services, games library service, streaming, and by now their AAA games cost the same as Sony's. So the cost structure may seem different to you, and it may be relevant to the point where you loose sleep over it. But in all honesty at that level they are more or less equivalent, and I would not pick a console based on this. Imagine buying an xbox only to find out that God of War is not on GamePass!

The lies and manipulations of the platform holder? This is something that I know will affect my purchase decision.

Then the RT in Halo Infinite, both Halo:I and Minecraft have RT on PC do they? Wasn't the RT demo doing the rounds on PC in the same time period as well? I personally think that they are afraid to show RT on their consoles.

 

[peter42O]

You sound like a spinster or some sort of highly dedicated sales person. Everything they do is more or less offer the same product as Sony or even Nintendo to some degree. A console for console gamers, online services, games library service, streaming, and by now their AAA games cost the same as Sony's. So the cost structure may seem different to you, and it may be relevant to the point where you loose sleep over it. But in all honesty at that level they are more or less equivalent, and I would not pick a console based on this. Imagine buying an xbox only to find out that God of War is not on GamePass!

I never said people would pick a console based on their business/pricing model. Just that Microsoft's setup is different. You have Microsoft going in a subscription based model while Sony stays with their traditional business model. Nintendo is more similar to Sony but their platform is a hybrid which is perfect for them but I don't think would work for Sony or Microsoft. All three have their different setups which is what makes it all so intriguing and interesting. If they were all exactly the same, that would be boring.

The lies and manipulations of the platform holder? This is something that I know will affect my purchase decision.

This has never affected my purchasing decisions because they've ALL done the same shit. If this was the case, then people should live in a cabin off the grid in the woods because every product you buy, own and use has some sort of fucked up shit behind it.

Then the RT in Halo Infinite, both Halo:I and Minecraft have RT on PC do they? Wasn't the RT demo doing the rounds on PC in the same time period as well? I personally think that they are afraid to show RT on their consoles.

I don't believe they do Ray Tracing because outside of a few studios, they're not really focused or based on visuals. Sony is a visuals company when it comes to their games where even a trailer must look amazing. It's what they do. Microsoft for the most part simply doesn't do it. They seem to focus much more on art style as opposed to just pure visuals and graphics. Also, while Ray Tracing reflections look awesome, I personally wouldn't waste resources on any aspect of it because it's not worth the trade off. I see Ray Tracing like HDR last generation, not ready. But who knows, perhaps they have a few games down the line that has Ray Tracing in it. The only one that has confirmed Ray Tracing is Forza Motorsport.

 

[Airbus]

Redfall more like redfailure

 

[Alabtrosmyster]

I see Ray Tracing like HDR last generation, not ready. But who knows, perhaps they have a few games down the line that has Ray Tracing in it. The only one that has confirmed Ray Tracing is Forza Motorsport.

HDR worked just right last generation, on consoles at least... HDR on PC is still a mess.

As for Forza, I think the game will be marred by GaaS issues (which is what worried me about GT7 at first)... But have they said in which mode it would be used? Otherwise, I tend to agree that RT is mostly wasteful this gen, however some games still make good use of it, I just always pick frame rate.

 

[ethomaz]

HDR worked just right last generation, on consoles at least... HDR on PC is still a mess.

As for Forza, I think the game will be marred by GaaS issues (which is what worried me about GT7 at first)... But have they said in which mode it would be used? Otherwise, I tend to agree that RT is mostly wasteful this gen, however some games still make good use of it, I just always pick frame rate.

This.

It was awesome on PS4 with a full HDR compatible TV and you don’t had to choose modes to have HDR.

It was simple… on TV with support it works… on TV without support it doesn’t.

 

[Alabtrosmyster]

This.

It was awesome on PS4 with a full HDR compatible TV and you don’t had to choose modes to have HDR.

It was simple… on TV with support it works… on TV without support it doesn’t.

@peter42O seems to have had problems with it, maybe there was a problem on Xbox then .

You know, when you release so many controllers that has to take attention away from more important issues.

 

[Gediminas]

 

[peter42O]

HDR worked just right last generation, on consoles at least... HDR on PC is still a mess.

As for Forza, I think the game will be marred by GaaS issues (which is what worried me about GT7 at first)... But have they said in which mode it would be used? Otherwise, I tend to agree that RT is mostly wasteful this gen, however some games still make good use of it, I just always pick frame rate.

I remember a lot of games where the HDR was just "off" because it wasn't implemented correctly. This generation, it's been much better.

The RT for Forza is in-game during races at 60FPS. So we'll see. I'm not a sports/racing gamer but tech wise, racing games are usually a showcase.

@peter42O seems to have had problems with it, maybe there was a problem on Xbox then .

You know, when you release so many controllers that has to take attention away from more important issues.

My primary gaming console last generation was PS4/PS4 Pro. I only played 5 or 6 games on Xbox One/S/X.

 

[anonpuffs]

Stop giving postup clout. The guy doesn't even play games, his xbox account is barren and he has like 0 playtime on any games. He just likes to act as a pro bono lawyer for xbox on twitter and youtube.

 

[KiryuRealty]

Redfall has turned from a fart in the wind to the gift that keeps on giving!

 

[Box]

Leave Phil and Nutella alone. They are great!
Xbox doing great. No need to change at all.

Just wait until Next Year! Things will be different this time! - Phil Spencer