Sony CFO Hiroki Totoki says PlayStation is reforming currently their gaming business

[Landiri]

I was watching Moore's Law Is Dead today and they were discussing the possibility of Nintendo (yes, Nintendo) putting games on PC. The consensus he and NX Gamer arrived at, is that IF Nintendo did any sort of thing, it'd be a verrry drawn-out process and would only involve very old games like NES, SNES, N64 or maybe some Gamecube titles. And, they'd basically look at how all of that goes.

I don't know why anyone would even care that much about PC-Releases, when it is such a stagnating platform for gaming.

We already saw how insignificant the PC-Playerbase (who even bothers paying for games to begin with!) is for Sony Games.

They are just a loud and irrelevant minority.

 

[Neversummer]

A PC launcher for PlayStation only works if they make their 1P titles exclusive to it (at least for a good measure of time), rescind the trend of porting most or all of their games to other launchers (Valve keeps their non-GAAS and even GAAS titles exclusive to Steam, for example, and on PC Epic keeps Fortnite exclusive to EGS), get 3P support on the storefront similar to console, and find a way to monetize the storefront in non-intrusive ways that don't require a person to sub to PS+ (to make up for removing PS+ requirement for paid online, among other things).

They would have to be permanent exclusive whether there PS PC port (if they continue) or these multilayer game. If they treat the PS PC storefront like Epic w time exclusive Steam users will wait, they already wait & if PS goes day n date across PS console & PS PC launcher & there games on PC aren’t permanent exclusive Steam user will wait & now PS would have kill there console & pc storefront business. Ultimately Valve/Steam wins.

You would also think if they did have a PS PC launcher on the way they would stop doing pc ports that release on Steam & Dave those games till PS can build a library of multiplayer games on the PS PC launcher which are more potent in making PC gamers bend the knee to a PS PC launcher especially if PS multiplayer games are free to play like Riot, Hoyoverse or Valve. Should start w the Horizon Monster Hunter being a Free to play monster hunter & since the quality will likely be there & it’s a established ip there won’t be much pushback if PS made it exclusive to the PS pc launcher, having a bigger focus on PS w there multilayer & using the PS PC launcher as a long term growth on PC while having full control & 100% of the profit.

They'll also have to remove the paid online requirement on console side, to establish feature parity between the console and storefront, or else they'll have to add a LOT more value to the console PS+ to justify the price and keeping online paywalled behind it for non-F2P titles.

Agree. I think overtime as Ps releases more multiplayer games PS+ should transition into exclusive cosmetic for multiplayer focus subscription where the overheads & additions are cheap. Similar to what you already see w games like Fortnite & Rainbow 6 that have subscription PS+ could be the defacto exclusive cosmetic for all PS multiplayer across PS console, PC & Mobile. Maybe even have something similar to Ubisoft or Valve where these exclusive cosmetic on PS+ act as consumables & can be bought, sold or traded giving value to the exclusive cosmetic & building a ecosystem where when sold on a specific PS marketplace website PS/Sony takes 15%-30% cuts for each sold. Buy one of those CSGO market place & tie it to PS & EVO as marketplace hub to gamble, buy, sell & trade exclusive cosmetic that can be gotten on PS+ maybe tie loot boxes to PS+ making it more exciting. Idk I’m just spitting ideas but people do love cosmetics for multilayer games.

I was watching Moore's Law Is Dead today and they were discussing the possibility of Nintendo (yes, Nintendo) putting games on PC. The consensus he and NX Gamer arrived at, is that IF Nintendo did any sort of thing, it'd be a verrry drawn-out process and would only involve very old games like NES, SNES, N64 or maybe some Gamecube titles. And, they'd basically look at how all of that goes.

I don’t see Nintendo ever releasing on PC. If you see Mario 64 in modern times it won’t be for a PC port I just see Nintendo making these remake/remaster collection of old titles like capcom done w street fighter & using those classics to sell Nintendo console & just selling the game itself as a exclusive on Nintendo hardware.

Nintendo vision for expanding to a new audience is completely different then PS. In the eyes of Herman & Totoki releasing Lego Horizon on Switch is seen as a way to expand the audience & maybe bring more profit at the cost of diminishment of its own platform.

Nintendo vision of expanding its ip is cross media, toys/merchcandise, parks etc. Just look at the new Donkey Kong park this imo is proper expansion of ip truly trying to reach a new audience using new forms of entertainment, in this case it’s real life experience of the ip. Family & younger kids can experience Donkey Kong in real life w parks & fall in love w the characters & universe & as they invest & grow up eventually goes to the games. Everything Nintendo does funnels back to Nintendo consoles & Nintendo getting 100% & full controls. Just look at what they did w there music something so obsolete to even control & could’ve just had them available on Spotify or Apple they still hold control of & monetize it while also adding value to its platform.

The only time you would see a Nintendo game on PC is from there mobile games being playable on iOS or android that have small gateways of it being playable through a PC like due to the nature of iOS or android. I believe Nintendo Pokémon unite which is made by Timi themselves have a Timi app/storefront that allows you to play Pokemon Unite official through them. If Nintendo is ever on PC it will be exclusively under a Nintendo storefront & ONLY for there mobile games because of Nintendo publish a mobile game on android it can also be played through Google play store on PC from my knowledge so I can see Nintendo shut that down especially if android allows new mobile storefront you will see this happen to android first & then maybe apple iOS government open that up. Oh you want to play Nintendo mobile games on apple or android? Well download the Nintendo mobile storefront (could also be for PC) & your only playing our mobile games under our mobile storefront & not under apple or google own storefront.

 

[mibu no ookami]

They would have to be permanent exclusive whether there PS PC port (if they continue) or these multilayer game. If they treat the PS PC storefront like Epic w time exclusive Steam users will wait, they already wait & if PS goes day n date across PS console & PS PC launcher & there games on PC aren’t permanent exclusive Steam user will wait & now PS would have kill there console & pc storefront business. Ultimately Valve/Steam wins.

Going to try and parse your writing as dog shit as it is, I'm assuming English is not your first language, so I'll try to not belabor that, but my advice to use is run this through a word processor or AI to clean it up.

You would also think if they did have a PS PC launcher on the way they would stop doing pc ports that release on Steam & Dave those games till PS can build a library of multiplayer games on the PS PC launcher which are more potent in making PC gamers bend the knee to a PS PC launcher especially if PS multiplayer games are free to play like Riot, Hoyoverse or Valve. Should start w the Horizon Monster Hunter being a Free to play monster hunter & since the quality will likely be there & it’s a established ip there won’t be much pushback if PS made it exclusive to the PS pc launcher, having a bigger focus on PS w there multilayer & using the PS PC launcher as a long term growth on PC while having full control & 100% of the profit.

Sony needs cash flow, which many on this site don't quite understand. What their exclusivity strategy will be on PC is yet to be determined, they could delist from Steam or simply stop publishing new games there, or they might stop publishing certain types of games like GaaS games. It'll be interesting to see how they approach it.

There is clear evidence that they're moving forward with a launcher/storefront though. They wouldn't have bothered with the PS overlay if they weren't looking to move forward with a storefront. We're likely looking at something years in the making.

Any game could be the first game to be the first exclusive on the PS Store or both could co-exist for a period. I could totally see the Horizon online game or mmorpg launching exclusively on a PS Store, especially if it is f2p.

Agree. I think overtime as Ps releases more multiplayer games PS+ should transition into exclusive cosmetic for multiplayer focus subscription where the overheads & additions are cheap. Similar to what you already see w games like Fortnite & Rainbow 6 that have subscription PS+ could be the defacto exclusive cosmetic for all PS multiplayer across PS console, PC & Mobile. Maybe even have something similar to Ubisoft or Valve where these exclusive cosmetic on PS+ act as consumables & can be bought, sold or traded giving value to the exclusive cosmetic & building a ecosystem where when sold on a specific PS marketplace website PS/Sony takes 15%-30% cuts for each sold. Buy one of those CSGO market place & tie it to PS & EVO as marketplace hub to gamble, buy, sell & trade exclusive cosmetic that can be gotten on PS+ maybe tie loot boxes to PS+ making it more exciting. Idk I’m just spitting ideas but people do love cosmetics for multilayer games.

Due to global regulation, I think Sony will avoid loot boxes. I think the expansion of PS+ coming to PC. Including free games on PC monthly, as well as cloud streaming.

I could still envision eventually some sort of bundle with Crunchyroll.

I don’t see Nintendo ever releasing on PC. If you see Mario 64 in modern times it won’t be for a PC port I just see Nintendo making these remake/remaster collection of old titles like capcom done w street fighter & using those classics to sell Nintendo console & just selling the game itself as a exclusive on Nintendo hardware.

Nintendo vision for expanding to a new audience is completely different then PS. In the eyes of Herman & Totoki releasing Lego Horizon on Switch is seen as a way to expand the audience & maybe bring more profit at the cost of diminishment of its own platform.

We'll see, especially with how well Switch 2 does. People like to ignore the fact that Pokemon Go was a mobile exclusive that never landed on the Switch.

Nintendo vision of expanding its ip is cross media, toys/merchcandise, parks etc. Just look at the new Donkey Kong park this imo is proper expansion of ip truly trying to reach a new audience using new forms of entertainment, in this case it’s real life experience of the ip. Family & younger kids can experience Donkey Kong in real life w parks & fall in love w the characters & universe & as they invest & grow up eventually goes to the games. Everything Nintendo does funnels back to Nintendo consoles & Nintendo getting 100% & full controls. Just look at what they did w there music something so obsolete to even control & could’ve just had them available on Spotify or Apple they still hold control of & monetize it while also adding value to its platform.

The only time you would see a Nintendo game on PC is from there mobile games being playable on iOS or android that have small gateways of it being playable through a PC like due to the nature of iOS or android. I believe Nintendo Pokémon unite which is made by Timi themselves have a Timi app/storefront that allows you to play Pokemon Unite official through them. If Nintendo is ever on PC it will be exclusively under a Nintendo storefront & ONLY for there mobile games because of Nintendo publish a mobile game on android it can also be played through Google play store on PC from my knowledge so I can see Nintendo shut that down especially if android allows new mobile storefront you will see this happen to android first & then maybe apple iOS government open that up. Oh you want to play Nintendo mobile games on apple or android? Well download the Nintendo mobile storefront (could also be for PC) & your only playing our mobile games under our mobile storefront & not under apple or google own storefront.

That's just a massive assumption.

Can you explain why they would support mobile but not specifically PC?

It just seems like many here have a hang up on PC because they assume PC gaming is going to take over console gaming. They see PC gaming as a threat and not mobile gaming.

 

[mibu no ookami]

Job Application for Senior Software Engineer, PC Engineer at PlayStation Global

Read this and come to your own conclusions

 

[mibu no ookami]

Here is another job description for people who don't understand why Horizon Remaster and Until Dawn got greenlit

Job Application for Senior Portfolio Analyst at PlayStation Global

 

[Shmunter]

Don’t want to be a Debby downer, but I suspect if anything - it may look more like ms approach. Why? They want to address a bigger audience than the console as is evident with pc and switch releases. They are already gearing upto it.

 

[akira__]

Job Application for Senior Software Engineer, PC Engineer at PlayStation Global

Read this and come to your own conclusions

Please bestow thy greatness upon us, for we, but simple console peasants, are unable to comprehend thy meaning.

 

[quest4441]

I look at those california studios and just get a headache. The comeback starts with winding down these useless net drain studios over the next gen. Going all in on Cuckmann and SoCal vision of game dev will only result in a big fat L

 

[DarkLordOtaku]

Don’t want to be a Debby downer, but I suspect if anything - it may look more like ms approach. Why? They want to address a bigger audience than the console as is evident with pc and switch releases. They are already gearing upto it.

Yeah, I think you might be right here. It does seem like they're ramping up their pipeline capacity for porting titles.

 

[arvfab]

Don’t want to be a Debby downer, but I suspect if anything - it may look more like ms approach. Why? They want to address a bigger audience than the console as is evident with pc and switch releases. They are already gearing upto it.

That's what many of us have been saying for a while and we know how it went with Xbox.

Strangely people seem to dislike a Nintendo-like strategy more.

 

[akira__]

That's what many of us have been saying for a while and we know how it went with Xbox.

Strangely people seem to dislike a Nintendo-like strategy more.

The restructuring is based on the notion that console war is over. But now unfortunately we will get a more corporate version of Playstation. That will put profits anove investments. Unlike xbox they will not have competition within that segment. Cod made it clear gor publishers Playstation us where the customers are.
Even if we will see bone headed decisions the network effects will keep Playstation going the Xbox route. And offcourse Mark Cerny

 

[Shmunter]

That's what many of us have been saying for a while and we know how it went with Xbox.

Strangely people seem to dislike a Nintendo-like strategy more.

Yeah, I think you might be right here. It does seem like they're ramping up their pipeline capacity for porting titles.

PC releases will come more frequently till day and date. Switch will see an increase. Death Standing is being examined by Sony to see how it turns out on Xbox, there is a deal where Kojima will disclose sales no doubt.

Cloud and GaaS becoming more prominent. Look back how Sony took issue with Xcloud during the act/blizz deal.

1:1 strategy as MS, because that’s what the numbers are telling them. Long forgotten will be the flagship Sony focus and evolved tech. It will all be about the mau.

Is it true Marathon is coming to Xbox?

 

[arvfab]

PC releases will come more frequently till day and date. Switch will see an increase. Death Standing is being examined by Sony to see how it turns out on Xbox, there is a deal where Kojima will disclose sales no doubt.

Cloud and GaaS becoming more prominent. Look back how Sony took issue with Xcloud during the act/blizz deal.

1:1 strategy as MS, because that’s what the numbers are telling them. Long forgotten will be the flagship Sony focus and evolved tech. It will be all about the mau.

Yep, but if you show disapprovement, you are a "doomer". Yet all the hypocrites getting wet/an erection during Sony's financial reports laughed at Xbox for the same things they are praising Sony for now.

Is it true Marathon is coming to Xbox?

When they bought Bungie, they said their games would stay multiplatform, there is no reason to think it would not, alongside with a Switch 2 version if it's capable enough.

 

[Shmunter]

When they bought Bungie, they said their games would stay multiplatform, there is no reason to think it would not, alongside with a Switch 2 version if it's capable enough.

There is no reason they need to adhere to it, except they want to.

 

[DarkLordOtaku]

There is no reason they need to adhere to it, except they want to.

That's true. Although I think if there was a title to backpedal on, it probably wouldn't be Marathon. I'd imagine they'd want the network effect working in full force for that release.

 

[Puff]

Death Standing is being examined by Sony to see how it turns out on Xbox

I doubt it, because why would Sony throw a lifeline to Microsoft? A year ago, Microsoft tried to push them out of the market. If Microsoft were in Sony's position, they would have been ruthless.

Had those assholes dominated the PS4 generation, we'd still have no crossplay.

 

[arvfab]

There is no reason they need to adhere to it, except they want to.

They are porting their own games elsewhere, you'd think they'd backpedal on a GaaS title made by a studio bought on the premise of leaving their games multiplatform?

 

[wxcwxcwxc]

It’s happening as I have been exactly saying for years. Sony is done with California and will now look at cheaper areas to operate the PlayStation business. This makes the reallocation of the PlayStation division to Japan pretty realistic. Also this plays in with what Donald Trumps has announced: there will be an tax for gaming companies in America and an extra tax for foreign companies such as PlayStation up until to 40%, for operating on American soil.
This inlines with everything I have said. Sony will move the PlayStation division back to Japan. The expenses and upcoming changes by Trump are not viable anymore for Sony. And we know Totoki is a money guy. They will now focus on cost-effective regions such as Japan, Korea and China. For example see Astrobot. It was reported on the business update as a very successful game. In 9 weeks it sold 1.5m copies for a moderately budget. Also the Yen is weak and operating the PlayStation division in Japan will be much more profitable for Sony and easier to control. This is the future PlayStation needs. Sayonara California!

Dude, you have a source for the 40% thing? I did a search and couldn’t find anything. I’d like to read about it if you remember where you read it.

 

[Neversummer]

That's true. Although I think if there was a title to backpedal on, it probably wouldn't be Marathon. I'd imagine they'd want the network effect working in full force for that release.

Helldivers 2 showed Sony/PS that a fun interactive social game w meme potential can sell itself. Marathon doesn’t need Xbox especially as Xbox series sells completely collapsed Sony/PS will just be paying for dead servers on a platform that brings little sales & or value. Pushing Marathon as the next big hit by Bungie exclusively on PS console also available on PC (hell cancel the Xbox version & bring it to PS4) PS has both PS4 & PS5 platforms to push users & bring profit yet don’t use it & instead use competing platform & rely on them getting 30 cuts while not maximizing full profits on the PS platform & getting 100% cuts.

Bungie almost imploded & did terrible work in directing PS in live service w Fairgames & concord being 2 large failure. Bungie leaders have no say in what Bungie or where there games are publish anymore. Bungie leadership sold & bamboozle Sony/PS leadership to a terrible deal while likely saying how they where in a great position as if they where imploding inside.

Herman don’t mind or is pushing for even live services being on direct competitors platform

 

[Neversummer]

Going to try and parse your writing as dog shit as it is

Atleast you can still read & reply to my dogshit

There is clear evidence that they're moving forward with a launcher/storefront though. They wouldn't have bothered with the PS overlay if they weren't looking to move forward with a storefront. We're likely looking at something years in the making.

Just cause they are don’t mean it’s the right thing to do business.

You would say what Xbox was doing such as releasing on PC day 1 would bring in more profits & put them in a better position. They clearly aren’t & there clearly from the rumors don’t like the fact there on there knees releasing games on PC & being hold at gun point because they made multiple mistakes & ignored people concerns.

Due to global regulation, I think Sony will avoid loot boxes. I think the expansion of PS+ coming to PC. Including free games on PC monthly, as well as cloud streaming.

I could still envision eventually some sort of bundle with Crunchyroll.

Eh, games still have loot boxes & or gacha packs/openings mechanic. And I don’t see that fully getting close as that would also kill card pack openings & other gacha/random opening prize mechanics.

What would crunchyroll add to PS+? A majority of PS+ gamers have crunchyroll & as they expand PS+ to PC & Mobile subscribing to crunchyroll will no longer be needed if it already wasn’t for anime. You would just diminish crunchyroll & people will likely unsubscribe & prices of PS+ would have to go up to offset it which again would just cause PS players to go to other platforms w no online subscription or cheaper.

We'll see, especially with how well Switch 2 does. People like to ignore the fact that Pokemon Go was a mobile exclusive that never landed on the Switch.

I could see a future where Nintendo mobile games are exclusive to a Nintendo mobile storefront & there mobile games hitting on Switch (w the few exceptions like Mario Kart Mobile that overlaps w Mario Kart) Pokemon unite release simultaneously on Nintendo switch likely because it was more of a traditional game then the other experimental mobile games

That's just a massive assumption.

Can you explain why they would support mobile but not specifically PC?

It just seems like many here have a hang up on PC because they assume PC gaming is going to take over console gaming. They see PC gaming as a threat and not mobile gaming.

Pc is more of a direct competitor than mobile. PC has console, pc & mobile games where mobile platforms like Apple or Android are 99.9% mobile game.

If there was more console/pc games publish on mobile even day n date I think Nintendo support of these platform would change. I think it’s pretty simple understanding. PC played a major part in killing Xbox I don’t think it’s that people are scared because ultimately gamers don’t care about these platform to simply support them by there name. Your platform don’t have exclusive? Then you don’t get support or money from consumers it’s pretty simple.

Sega was killed by poor leadership & it’s poor quality games & hardware that couldn’t keep up w Nintendo. Xbox died for similar reasons. Even on PC storefronts such as epic, gog etc will never compete w Steam because Steam has more exclusive games then both combine x10. Free games or time exclusive isn’t enough for people to support or invest time in a platform long term.