Sure they're gonna revert it any second now, after all Totoki is a big fan of exclusivity
Astro Bot 2 day and date on the next Steam Deck will be amazing
Sony in the early stages of developing a portable console that plays PS5 games
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Astro Bot 2 day and date on the next Steam Deck will be amazing
It has some benefits being hybrid.
Unified games. Cheaper development, easier developement, Staying behind a generation. Would help alot of stuff.
But not sure how PS fans would be happy staying back a gen. From the PS1 days, they are use to best in class for a home console or close as.
Personally I wouldnt want to sacrifice power for being a hybrid. But I wouldn't not buy it and support PS.
I dont hate the idea, but I prefer 2 separate devices. PS6+ PSP3. Both best in class. Portable can have a cheaper smaller screen model and a more expensive one. Shared library.
PSP3 doesnt need to share the same specs as PS6. PS6 catering to 4K 60FPs. While the PSP3 would be catering to 900/1080p Screen. No ray tracing, no higher setting. 30/60fps
Who knows what upscaling tech is like in 3-4 yers.
What they could do is have a Hybrid like you say. Have it come with a normal dock.
And people can buy an optional powerful dock that enhances the console to actual PS6 levels?
Personally I want the more powerful console.
For a PSP6 and PSP3, Developers wouldnt have much issues because of the shared library.
Downscaling is up to Sony how to deal with it. Alot fo 3rd party games are made to run on PC specs so thats not too hard to downscale/upscale.
And PS just has to deal with downscaling there 1st party games. Either use one of your PC porting teams instead of PC ports or buy some developers for those projects.
I understand it would be easier for a hybrid though.
Im not sure if it’s overall better if they copy Nintendo.
But heres some issues with me:
1- The PS fanbase to Nintendo and Steamdeck are different to Playstation fans.
PS fans like myself, expect a powerful home consoles. I want TLOU3 to be the best game it can be, same as the next God of War. I want the best in class. Not to be held back by portable specs
As much as I want a PSP3. Im not supporting a weaker console to cater for a handheld and there fans. 110+million to cater for portable fans?
I barely play Portable and Im guessing the 100+ home consoles fans PS brings also are in the same side as me. Its an extra for me.
I wouldnt want steamdeck performances. Or Steamdeck 2 performances. I want PS6 performance.
This is what Playstation is about. They arent Nintendo running Wii U level games in 2024. They werent forced to stay behind 2 generations because there fans don’t buy home consoles. Nintendo has a job to do next gen, like they always do. Nothing is guarenteed for them.
2- You’re giving up on hardware sales.
Why not sell 120+m PS6 and 50m+ PSP3’s, instead of combining sale in a hybrid.
3- If PS if gonna give up on power for a hyrbid. Expect someone to come and fill in the gap. PC Market and some new contender in the console is gonna swoop in and take fans who prefer powerful consoles.
PS is the market leader. Like they dont need to copy gamepass, they dont need to copy Nintendo. Nintendo and Xbox struggle to sell home consoles, thats why are they are forced to do what they do, stay generations behind or spend close to 100billion to keep up with PS. Nintendo has a great library of IPs though that Money cant buy.
It is a fact that PS5 uses tweaked PC hardware and a PC OS ( variant of FreeBSD, a Unix/Linux type). So technically it's a console shaped PC. Same happened with PS4 and same will happen with PS6.
If Sony wants, they can add Valve's Proton to their OS to run Windows games on either PS5 or the handheld, because it's open source and was made for others to use.
Portable and home consoles nowadays use either PC or smartphone/tablet hardware. To run PS5 games, either on their PC or PS5 SKUs, PC hadware is required becase mobile hardware isn't capable to do so with decent performance. So this handheld must be a PC handheld.
If Sony decides to allow players to install there other OS, as did on PS3, or not is a separate topic. I assume they will do it or not depending on the pressure of the market: if close to release the others PC handheld (Steamdeck, MS's handheld etc all allow it and they have a big enough install base) and Sony's store and Sony's PC catalog isn't big enough, pretty likely will accept the other OS. If instead the PC handheld market continues being pretty small and Sony managed to release their PC PSN store and add there a big enough amount of games, they may limit it to their OS/store.
PS5 games would break if you try to run them in other, even if only slightly different, hadware. It's impossible that a portable could have exactly the same hardware than PS5, so it won't run them. So Sony and the other devs will have two options: to make ports of all the games (seeing the results with Vita won't happen) or to simply run there the PC games, already made to be scalable so won't require a port.
To make it a PC handheld is the only realistic and reasonable option that would be cost effective and would secure a big support from both 1st and 3rd party. Using a unified PSN account that would ensure crossbuy between PS5, PC PSN and this device and would have shared trophies, saves, friendlist, PS+ etc. would also be the best option to create a synergy between PS5, PC PSN and this portable and boost 3rd party support for both this device and PC PSN store.
It is what all portables are doing nowadays and Sony did it in PS3 so yes, it would make sense that they'd implement it. Specially if Sony continues growing with acquisitions and want to avoid issues with regulators and the EU in the future.
They won't reverse because of the huge amount of money they make there (and with a big profit margin), which keeps growing every year. And not only that, it's bringing new players to PS5. It would be stupid to stop their PC business.
Because what we say isn't fud & misinformation, it's instead an opinion based on common sense and knowledge about the industry. If something, maybe you're the one who should be permabanned for attacking others just becasuse disagree with you.
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What huge money and huge profits?
What new players to PS5? The same morons who don’t want to even login to a PSN account?
A paltry 400 million revenue was made on PC.
29.5 billion revenue on console.
Half that 400 million got flushed down the toilet anyway with Concord or are you gonna chuck all the development costs on the PlayStation 5 port?
There is NO reason to make a PlayStation Portable if it isn’t part Playstation ecosystem system ONLY.
Allowing it to run Steam/Portal or Windows make it DOA.
Ridiculous.
The revenue reported on their fiscal reports and the profit margin mentioned a couple times by Totoki.
The ones mentioned by Hermen Hulst and Nishino when asked about canibalization and the part of the "around half of PS5s are being sold to new users to PS" that Jim Ryan mentioned and that we saw that was the case at least as of 2022 and their forecast for 2023 in the leaked Insomniac files.
In the last year, Sony's first party games made over $700M outside PS. The Xbox and Switch part must be small because MLB and Lego will take a cut of it too, so most of it must come from PC. And there's a huge YoY growth, so pretty likely will continue growing.
No, this is the entire SIE: console + PC + accesories + subscription + movies/tv shows etc.
We don't know the exact amount, but in the last year was over $700M on PC+rival consoles.
And it would make more sense to see it in the other way, the logical one that Sony uses: they generate so much money outside PS that in just a year they generated way more money that it did spend on Concord during 6 years.
So having this extra revenue and profit is good for them because make their projects more safe in addition to reach way more players.
Yes: to compete with the rest of PC handhelds if -as they do today- all of them support it, even the MS one, and have a meaningful install base. And also to appeal the regulators or EU that are forcing the mobile OS to allow other stores, or the ones who could block potential future big acquisitions if don't allow other stores on their console (they could allow them by allowing people to install other OS).
DOA would be if, like Vita, it would require dedicated games and ports. Nobody, even Sony, would properly support it.
Lots of waffling. Those new PS5 gamers could be from Xbox, Nintendo and simply new gamers.
Nothing about PC gamers who won’t even login to a PSN account. You think they will buy a console and login? For games which will eventually come to PC anyway.
Secondly why the hell is Sony competing with PC handhelds? The best selling one sold 3 million units.
That’s the market size right there. The Switch is the standard.
This is why I said "part"
Nobody gives a fuck about spending half a minute to create an account and login once. There are some entitled loud morons who complained about it because they hate Sony and can't find any other excuse to complain about, but they are a tiny portion of the userbase.
And well, consoles have many games that aren't available on PC or won't be for a while. This is one of the reaons of why people buy therm. Even if not of the main reason, because most console games sold are multiplatform day one.
Because of many reasons:
- It's the only way to run PS4, PS5 and PS6 games on a handheld (smartphone hardware like Switch wouldn't be able to do so)
- To have a big catalog of 1st and 3rd party games there, with zero cost in ports and dedicated games
- Since the cost of ports is zero, it would secure a way bigger 3rd party support
- To give extra sales to the PC versions of the games they already released and will release
- To give more value to their future PC PSN store that would be the same than here if crossbuy between at least normal PCs and handheld PCs
- The mid-to-long sales potential of the PC handheld market, not the current sales
- To improve the sales -they are already happy with them- of PS Portal by adding native games
- After the Vita pretty likely Sony and the 3rd parties won't support a portable console that requires dedicated ports and games
- To make easier to have Sony's store in the other PC handhelds and get more money from them
- To give extra sales on PC (and pretty likely PS5/PS6, I assume the PC and PS PSNs will be crossbuy) to the games designed for it, assuming that this device would use Sony's PC store, so games all released for this would also be released for normal PCs
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PS isn’t the market leader
Nintendo sells more console
Nintendo makes more profit
Nintendo release more first party games
Even from a ip standpoint Nintendo ip triumphs PS
MS the market leaders in PC
MS the market leaders in Cloud
Valve/Steam is the market leader in PC gaming/PC storefront
PS is a jack of all master of none. At one point & if they consolidated & bought Capcom & Square maybe they can push Nintendo on consoles/japan but it would be a hard fight to win.
PlayStation is the market leader, they sustain the industry in many more ways than Nintendo does. If they should ever leave the console business there would be an instant collapse for a reason.
Maybe in its first year but long term everything will be fine PC, Steamdeck & Nintendo Switch 2 will easily replace PS if PS ever went away.
Just say PS went away rn sure there would be an adjustment period w companies taking a hit but you would just see 3rd party all support Steamdeck verify at an instance & would support Switch 2 with a even heavier focus then what you would see anyways.
Just cause PS sustain the industry heavily rn doesn’t make them the market leaders.
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Ok bro, rest a little, you are very upset.... calm down, breathe deeply... once again... again... that's it, very good
You're talking nonsense! 3rd parties rely more on PlayStation than they do for Nintendo! PlayStation existing the industry would cause immediate and severe ramifications that a Switch 2 couldn't and will never offset.
Your stupid vendetta against PlayStation has officially sent you over the edge if you're thinking Steamdeck would somehow rise to the occasion and offset PS exiting the industry.
Thanks for the laugh.
According to the leaks, this will compete with Switch 2. We still think Sony will release everythibg on Nintendo? Another theory squashed.