Yup, mindshare and expectations are a crazy thing. One wrong step and ppl tend to expect tht same scenario again even if there isn't evidence for it.
Sony say inclusion of their first party onto PS+ has had a big (negative) effect on traditional sales
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But it happening once or a couple of times is plenty of evidence. Let's say that internally Sony decides to stop PC ports, people would still be expecting their games to show up on PC for many many years now.
Same with games going to PS+ now, I never bought The Order 1886 disc despite wanting to replay it thinking it would go into PS+, it never did.
That is why such decisions should always be made as part of a long term plan.
I don't feel like that because it's clear they learned their lesson and "any of their games" are in fact not showing up on PS+.
Remains to be seen, it's not like they have released that many big games since then. GT7 is the only one that gives the impression they learned their lesson but could be just some other reason (like GT7 already requiring PS+ anyway for multiplayer).
I would not be surprised at all if GoW Ragnarok showed up on PS+ soon, I hope it doesn't.
you know the saying is true: it's easy to lose trust but very hard to win it back. sony will need to work very hard to dig themselves out of this hole and I don't think they've realized they're in one yet. I just hope they wake up before they dig too deep and the water starts coming in.
The erosion of profits through giving their $300m budgeted games away for $10 a month and erosion of platform revenue through the devaluation of their hardware (day and date PC ports) is 100% the reason they're going third party.
It has made keeping their high budget games exclusive absolutely untenable.
The platform cut is the key contributor to platform holder revenues. Now Microsoft will be left with next to none of that in pursuit of direct software sales on competing platforms, who each take a cut of Microsoft's lunch.
Yea, I also believe they haven't realized or simply don't care. These short term focused guys will be out in a few years and they don't give a shit, they just want to hit their targets and get their bonuses. I just hope their complete disregard for PlayStation takes the entire Sony corporation down with them, it's what they deserve for being this blind.
PlayStation had a bright future ahead of them with how things were going but for a few years now they just have made way too many mistakes. I'm very skeptical when it comes to them turning it around.
Gamepass was pretty much the fastest way possible of devaluing games and MS was completely reckless with their approach almost as if it was done on purpose to crash the market (hoping they would take Sony, Nintendo and other publishers down with it). Thankfully it only took out ABK, Bethesda, MS and Embracer.
that's why it's imperative the next CEO of playstation is someone who has been there for a long time and has a stake in the company. Outsiders like that guy from capcom or whatever shouldn't be anywhere near the position because they can easily just be there for the bag and then parachute out.
It's already too late. Even Helldivers 2 more associated with PC as of late. I can be pretty confident in saying that PS6 will sell significantly less than PS5.
The next CEO will be chosen by Kenichiro Yoshida and Hiroki Totoki, there is very little hope there.
Sony lacks that Hidetaka Miyazaki, Ken Katuragi, guys that are driven by deeper purposes. Cerny would probably be the perfect person to take over PlayStation, probably my only hope at this point.
Sony failed miserably by not promotion some of the old top ND guys to executive positions over the years, instead Hermen Hulst somehow ascended the corporate ladder. Hermen Hulst turning out to be better than he looks right now would also be an interesting development that could help them course correct (in a scenario where Jim Ryan was the one making the bulk of the bad decisions or something).
Nah I don't think Cerny would want to run Playstation. I still think Ted Price would make a good CEO though.
So you think Sony is lying to their investors when posting record revenue numbers in gaming division revenue and profit, console hardware revenue, console software revenue, console 1st party revenue, off-console 1st party revenue, console active userbase, game subs revenue and a long etc?
And you also think Totoki was lying too to their investors when saying that the slight game division profitability decrease in FY22 was mostly due the increase of harwdare component costs and still being paying costs related to acquisitions made in recent years?
And that he was also lying that when also saying that were going to be more aggresive addressing the profitability among other things investing more in PC? What he said leads to think PC is very profitable for them, as we saw from their PC sales and leaked PC ports budgets. Do you also think Insomniac were lying with their budgets?
Do you have any reports from Sony to back these "erosion" claims?
Ted Price seems like a good option but there is something off with Insomniac for me, their games are good but they lack that spark to elevate them to all time greats that some other Sony studios like SSM, Team Asobi and ND have. The whole IED stuff coming in from Insomniac is also pretty off putting and the last thing Sony needs (that shit is collapsing right now everywhere).
Cerny is like the perfect candidate, a western guys that speak Japanese, former game dev, producer, worked closely with Sony best studios over the years going back to the very begging, chief engineer of PS4 and PS5. Absolutely no one is better prepared or more deserving, pay the man and let him lead PlayStation for the next 5-10 years. I look around and to me it seems that companies lead by engineers instead of accountants/business/marketing people seem to do a lot better.
Pretty much all the best decisions made by PlayStation on a big scale since the PS3 days can be directly tied to either Mark Cerny or Shuhei Yoshida.
Also if I were a Sony competitor I would do everything in my power to get him working for me.
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My post was about Microsoft.
Edit: and while they don't report on Xbox profits per segment (or at all, because there are none), the very fact that they're porting former exclusives to PS5 is the definition of proof that they're going third party, and the logical conclusion is that this is due to the erosion of traditional revenue/profit streams.
What ? Forbidden West clearly had the larger theorical install base, being on both PS4 and PS5, and while the presence on PS4 had little effect on the day one sales ( because people who are still on PS4 are plausibly people with less interest in videogame or more economic conscious), in the later shelf life of the game should have been an advantage
More like a sacrifice. At one point gamepass actually seemed threatening and it always seemed like both Returnal and Horizon were put there just to push Sony’s own service. I don’t think anyone is expecting too many tentpole releases featured on extra anytime soon; not GT7 and Ragnarok. Not any game that is potentially evergreen.
I agree wid u, GP was the probably is gaining so much traction.
But I genuinely feel like, PS+ is almost as good, in regular monthly additions, it's actually better.
And with a bit of focus on more day1 I hope it gains traction as well, but I truly do wish more people would talk about it.
These past two months, I saw a reddit post named, "GamePass is getting so good these days". And the top comment named control, Shadow of the tomb raider, and Evil west.
All of which were monthly claimables on PS+, Evil West being really recent. PS+ is really really good, and I wish for positivity around the Sub to increase!