It is likely in the longer plan to offer an all encompassing MP mode, big enough to be stand alone GaaS type of thing. The original’s MP mode would be made redundant almost instantly.
The Last of Us Part I (Remake) | Review Thread
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I'm not saying the price should be ignored, but should it weigh that much into the final score of the review? I don't know, maybe maybe not. I do think the reviewers who focus on price, should keep in mind that for every person they think will be upset with paying that price for a remake, there are probably five others who are perfectly fine with it.
Ultimately if the price is justified or not is in the eye of the buyer but I think some publications knows reviews will be used to discern that value and they are playing off that by harping just a bit too much on the price as an excuse to pull the score down. At the very least, if the reviewer personally feels the price is too high, they should remember that is their anecdotal perspective, and they shouldn't use that to try speaking for the wider market's feelings on the price.
But I also think some of this comes down to the idea that gaming is now a necessity, like it's a utility of life that you must have, instead of a hobby that you can partake in if your lifestyle and finances allow it. The feelings seem to have been leaning gradually to the former as time goes on, and I think that is affecting the perspective of these reviews. Like, I never recall re-releases of 16-bit games with enhanced features on disc consoles for $40 having their price used against them in the review, and I respect that.
IMO if you're reviewing a game, focus on the things that are around the actual creation of the game. Graphics, controls, story, music, levels etc. Maybe egregious business practices like predatory lootboxes or MTX if critical game content is walled off with them. But I don't think a remake costing $70 is anywhere near predatory or pricing people out of an experience. At worst they can just wait for a sale or until there's a price drop, or readjust some of their spendable budget. Maybe you don't need that Doordash order this week after all, that's probably $30 you can put towards TLOU Remake if you're really wanting to play it. Stuff like that.
ERA had like 4 pages of meltdown over that quote.
Calling bullshit and liars.
Until they realize in UK the price of the game come from 40 (original), 35 (Remaster) to 70 (Part 1) that is indeed close to double.
And Part 1 had indeed removed a whole mode that can be take as half of the game.
Now they moved to...
SCORE: 60
I understand the criticisms when it comes to less content for a higher price, but I don't recall if other remakes that've done this like FF VII Remake, were criticized for similar. Were they? Because I know they added a lot of extra content to Part 1 to expand upon (something generally good to do for a remake), but if you really think about it, the people who want all the pure original FF VII content with modern graphics and gameplay, are going to be paying hundreds of dollars over time instead of the $50 they paid in 1997.
RE3 Remake I know got criticized for cutting out content though, so this isn't something that can be directed as "only" targeting Sony games. Criticisms on removed content for same or higher price is actually fine and a valid point to bring up. My personal issue is with reviews (granted it's only one review, Game Informer one) saying the game is antiquated, immature, outdated etc. but then they're comparing the story to outright films.
Feels like if they're going to say those things, they should be able to focus on other games accomplishing in areas TLOU (now, in their eyes) fails at. If you have to go to example in completely different medium, the argument is probably not very good. I was making the same mistake when criticizing TLOU Part 2 back two years ago so it sucks seeing other people repeat that mistake years later.
But again, it's only the Game Informer review I've seen go that route. Maybe there are a few others, however.
This should definitely be a focal point as well in at least some of the key reviews, for sure. But it goes back to the flaws in the MetaCritic system itself, flaws I think publishers have also allowed to foster among review sites for too long.
Aggregates should really be parsing for reviews based on what the intent of the release actually is, and that way they can set some standards as to the mix of reviews included in the aggregate. If this TLOU Remake is meant mainly for new players in time with the show, well first I think the game probably could've released later or the show premiered earlier. But outside that, then having so many reviews from people who have clearly already bought & played the original & Remastered versions probably isn't the best idea. Maybe having a better balance of reviews from those actually new to the game would've been better.
That way you can also have some standards in place for the actual reviewers who get assigned. Someone completely new who's otherwise into these types of zombie horror games, then another site with someone completely new who is open to liking the game, but otherwise doesn't care much for this style of game. Then with that all set, you can get some genuinely insightful and honest reviews across a score of websites and outlets.
Maybe that results in a better or worst MC average, but at the very least it's a more honest average and more informative one for the main target customer demographic(s). It also helps weed out disingenuous reviewers who might only have bad intentions, but it can also help carve away some of the ones who are going to score it super-high no matter what. Only some of them should be cut loose, though; some of the others, are probably going to be hardcore fans of either the genre or the IP or both, and inevitably some of those types of people will also be buying the game even if they aren't the main target demographic. So it might help for them to have some reviews from people of similar perspective to see where the game falls at.
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I know this isn't from you but it's exactly how I feel. As someone who completed the game three times, it's just not worth buying and replaying for a fourth time especially when I have Steel Rising a week later which im way more hyped for after playing the Beta and because it's a new game release as opposed to a re-release.
Yeap I agree it was not a game made for people that already played it.
After all most hyped thing about TLOU is the story... I mean everybody when talks about the game will talk about Joel, Ellie, their story and decisions first.
And basically if you already played it become really hard to do it another time.
It is a game imo make for new players focusing in the TV show to be released soon... I'm sure some will watch the show and come looking for the game and for these there is no better option.
I should 100% recommend anybody playing for the first time to buy this version over the others.
The whole existence of this game feels directed at the PC community not only given the announcement of PC at the same time but also how it now allows them to port the second game to PC without a massive void in story.
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Agreed. The story doesn't have the same impact if you're someone who's replaying the game. If you're playing the game for the very first time, then it's the opposite.
My copy should be arriving today, gonna drop some thoughts after I've played. Unfortunately I'll probably won't be able to play today, but tomorrow I have plenty of time.
Hey, these people are paid to inform us about games, so they know more than you!
Humans have changed a lot since 2013, now all games are more mature than TLoU, even the new season of Fortnite has a deeper story and better writing than this old garbage.
Same for controls, they're so different these days, you would not believe it, it's like we have new controllers with 10 analog sticks! Better use them!
.Seriously though, the game is great, but I am not going to get this for more than 40$.
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This I agree with. I definitely think it's ultimately going to make gangbusters for the PC and will garner critical acclaim in the PC community when it ships.
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I just want to know what kind of Ultra-wide support it will have, after watching Spiderman PC breakdown holly shit if you have a ultrawide you are in for a treat.
Hope the same goes for this PC version. Imagine how much of the city/Landscape you will be able to see. Adds more to the atmosphere.
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I just hope the FPS is good enough with true 4k. We still don't know what other features they added to the PC version. It will be interesting to see in the coming months.
I've played a few hours already. Some thoughts below:
As for the price tag, I feel like I'm getting my moneys worth, but don't expect a full blown new game - It isn't, it's a remake that keeps true to the original.
- The game is absolutely gorgeous. I'm playing at 1440p 60fps because that's the same resolution and framerate for TLOU PT II, and I want to complete both games back to back;
- Gameplay is similar, yet weirdly different. I'm unsure if it's because of motion matching and some changed weaponry animations, but it's smoother.
- AI is definitely improved. Had a couple of moments where my companions went all braindead moment, but for the most part they are actually useful. Enemy AI is vastly superior. All this makes the game feel much better, it's a game changer
- Sound is incredible
As for the price tag, I feel like I'm getting my moneys worth, but don't expect a full blown new game - It isn't, it's a remake that keeps true to the original.
Selling MP games only prevents people from trying it and if they can't try it they can't stay around to buy the DLC or entertain those who buy it.
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Thats all the Treads i can see
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I've beat this remake 2 times so far. I went back to the remaster after playing the remake for a while to compare and the remaster looks and feels jarring now
