Tom Henderson: LEGO: Horizon Adventures is "relatively short"; can be completed in ~6 hours

[Bryank75]

It's $70? I thought it was $40?

Surely must be $40 I even remember them mentioning that at some point. Or is it $40 in the US but 70 euros (which would seemingly make it almost $80 USD)?

EDIT: Just looked it up; it's $60 in the US. Kind of crazy considering Astro Bot was the same price but offers a lot more content (going by completion times to 100% everything).

Not that I think a game should be priced depending on how much content it has; that's part of the reason some of these AAA games seem to take so long to make nowadays (usually to their detriment). But LEGO Horizon is probably gonna have a hard time convincing some people it's worth the same price of admission as Astro Bot.

Yeah, I can't justify it... It doesn't appeal to me tbh. That price is ludicrous for what it seems to be.

 

[peter42O]

Lego Horizon Adventure should be $40. Sony is out of their minds if they believe people will buy this for $60 on PC/PlayStation.

 

[Systemshock2023]

Doesn't matter much if the game is fun and it gives you the urge to replay it. The "how long to beat" mentality in game design has to go.

You could beat a scenario of RE2 in 90 min once you knew what you were doing and it was so fun I ended up replaying a dozen times.

 

[DarkLordOtaku]

Doesn't matter much if the game is fun and it gives you the urge to replay it. The "how long to beat" mentality in game design has to go.

You could beat a scenario of RE2 in 90 min once you knew what you were doing and it was so fun I ended up replaying a dozen times.

I also don't love the "how long to beat" mentality to gaming, because I feel like it incentivizes game bloat.

 

[SLB1904]

Fuck this game

 

[TubzGaming]

Fuck this game

 

[TubzGaming]

Just for reference (old games) as people are bringing up the price for LEGO games

 

[Boswollox]

Doesn't matter much if the game is fun and it gives you the urge to replay it. The "how long to beat" mentality in game design has to go.

You could beat a scenario of RE2 in 90 min once you knew what you were doing and it was so fun I ended up replaying a dozen times.

This mentality (the how long to play) killed The Order and it's dumb. "Oh noes it's only six hours". Yeah six hours of awesome.

Fallout 1 could be beat in ten minutes. Two worlds could be beat by baiting the main boss and running to town, the first town you walk out of.

A good game is a good game, be it 2 hours or 200 hours.

 

[akira__]

This mentality (the how long to play) killed The Order and it's dumb. "Oh noes it's only six hours". Yeah six hours of awesome.

Fallout 1 could be beat in ten minutes. Two worlds could be beat by baiting the main boss and running to town, the first town you walk out of.

A good game is a good game, be it 2 hours or 200 hours.

The order situation really felt like a hit job. think the press back the talking points against the game didn't even make sense.

The press killed that studio, and acted all surprised too.

 

[Boswollox]

The order situation really felt like a hit job. think the press back the talking points against the game didn't even make sense.

The press killed that studio, and acted all surprised too.

You nailed it. It really did feel like a hit job. The Microsoft-owned press came out to kill the game because it was a successful single player experience and MS and EA were pushing multiplayer, hard. Set of dicks.

Sony shouldn't have killed RAD and should buy them back. $400 million wasted on concord but not a penny on RAD? Bad decision.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Doesn't matter much if the game is fun and it gives you the urge to replay it. The "how long to beat" mentality in game design has to go.

You could beat a scenario of RE2 in 90 min once you knew what you were doing and it was so fun I ended up replaying a dozen times.

Yeah but it took you a LOT of replays of RE2 in order to do 90-minute runs. So in total you might've already put in 20+ hours to get to that point, especially if you aren't using guides (talking about OG RE2 here).

Most games these days aren't designed with Normal difficulties that make you "get good" to master them. That type of design mentality mostly died out many years ago, unfortunately. People expect to actually finish their games so games aren't designed expecting players to take months to master them. And I doubt LEGO Horizon will be an exception to that rule.

Yeah, I can't justify it... It doesn't appeal to me tbh. That price is ludicrous for what it seems to be.

They must be really banking on the appeal of the Horizon IP combined with LEGO's own. We'll see how that works out for them.

 

[Bryank75]

Just for reference (old games) as people are bringing up the price for LEGO games
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Oh, that's interesting.

So about 60 euro, if it's 50 pounds.... Which compares to the 80 euro they want for Lego Horizon.


That's a 20 euro premium up. Quite the ask imo

 

[peter42O]

As someone who rated The Order: 1886 a good 7.0/10, it has issues beyond the short run time which didn't apply to me as it took me 12-14 hours to complete. The issues with the game had to do more with all the boss fights being bad, a few chapters just being cut scenes and it having black bars on the top and bottom of the screen didn't help matters especially during gameplay/combat because enemies in the background especially those in an elevated position, you couldn't shoot at until you moved up closer. So while I always wanted a sequel especially since it ends on a cliffhanger, it was like Ryse: Son of Rome for Xbox One, a visual technical showcase. It wasn't meant to be an amazing game. It was meant to show you what the console was capable of.

 

[akira__]

As someone who rated The Order: 1886 a good 7.0/10, it has issues beyond the short run time which didn't apply to me as it took me 12-14 hours to complete. The issues with the game had to do more with all the boss fights being bad, a few chapters just being cut scenes and it having black bars on the top and bottom of the screen didn't help matters especially during gameplay/combat because enemies in the background especially those in an elevated position, you couldn't shoot at until you moved up closer. So while I always wanted a sequel especially since it ends on a cliffhanger, it was like Ryse: Son of Rome for Xbox One, a visual technical showcase. It wasn't meant to be an amazing game. It was meant to show you what the console was capable of.

What's you opinion on hellblade 2?

 

[peter42O]

What's you opinion on hellblade 2?

Halfway through it. Will go back to it after Dragon Age and Black Ops 6 campaign. It looks great and better than the first game, audio is good voice acting wise but the voices in your head have overstayed their welcome, story is equal to the first game but the combat is two steps backwards. The way I rate games, as of now, graphics - 9.0/10, audio - 7.0/10, gameplay - 5.0/10, story - 7.0/10. Overall - 7.0/10.

I do prefer Ryse: Son of Rome and The Order: 1886 over Hellblade 2. They kinda all have the same issues. Looks great, sounds great for the most part, story/characters is good and keeps you interested but the gameplay/combat leaves a lot to be desired.

 

[mibu no ookami]

Yeah but it took you a LOT of replays of RE2 in order to do 90-minute runs. So in total you might've already put in 20+ hours to get to that point, especially if you aren't using guides (talking about OG RE2 here).

Most games these days aren't designed with Normal difficulties that make you "get good" to master them. That type of design mentality mostly died out many years ago, unfortunately. People expect to actually finish their games so games aren't designed expecting players to take months to master them. And I doubt LEGO Horizon will be an exception to that rule.



They must be really banking on the appeal of the Horizon IP combined with LEGO's own. We'll see how that works out for them.

Once again, you're not looking at the totality of a plan.

They had planned to put out a Horizon TV show, it probably would have come out next year. It would have given all the Horizon games significant boosts.

It's interesting how quickly they got God of War a new showrunner, but just outright canceled Horizon. Maybe it was Amazon's call.

My guess is Sony will get Horizon up and running on a different streaming service with a new showrunner and they'll still bank on selling more on these games.

People just flip their shit if something doesn't sell tremendously at launch, but the model is shifting due to transmedia. That being said, the game seems to be doing quite well on PS. If you look at the US store among non-free games as of this post it is ranked 16th among best sellers and has been climbing. Could easily get a further bump with the PS5 Pro given the commentary around that and Forbidden West.

Among games that cost 40 dollars or more, it ranks 11th.

 

[BillyZ]

Yep looks like Hermen is cooking another L

 

[SuperPotato]

Isn't other Lego games like 20-30h?
What happened with this one?

They're about 7- 8 hours long.

Only the Star Wars games are 15-20 hours. But those are like 6 games in one.

 

[SuperPotato]

I love LEGO, would have bought this one day-1 if it was an exclusive with 1st party quality.

Now I will wait for the multiplatform bugs to be ironed out and the game going sub-30€ or joining PS+ (like all the other LEGO games).

Wouldn't buy this even if it was exclusive tbh.

 

[quest4441]

I hope PS gamers make their feelings clear about Horizon and Herman Hulst on 14th