Fucking hell it's a bit sad people just outrage without any context. Every single thread it's the exact same comments.
UK sales charts for April: All platforms down over 25%, PS5 No 1. Fallout 4 rules in software.
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The irony of talking about people wit agendas while having the audacity to twist my words as if they still aren't VISIBLE.. For clarification I said I don't care to know what outlandish claims you are talking in reference to me making them. So spare me your tragic attempt to gaslight me into taking your shit bait.
Who is denying anything in regards to GTA VI and PS5? You are insufferable because you go around with this whole victim persecution complex on this forum. It is universal everyone is expecting GTA 6 to give PS5 a boost. I SIMPLY DON'T THINK it's gonna move mountains of hardware after the first month, as people have been migrating over to PS5 and buying GTA V for the last 2 years.
I dunno how many units PS5 is currently behind as the last numbers we got over 5 months ago was it was around 4+ million behind. I am not gonna play Psychic like you are doing here, and declare one game will erase a GAP! We don't know how PS5 will even be selling next year given the slow down in sales. So nah, I ain't gonna waste my time with your question, it's honestly delusional.
I already clarified I never stated I don't care if I am right or wrong. Perhaps you need to spend more time on your comprehension instead of worry about proving people wrong.
Fucking hell it's a bit sad you enter almost every thread complaining about outrage even when nobody is outraged in this thread.
I mean it's a forum about gaming, what do you expect? Gaming discourse isn't gonna significantly change day to day or even month to month.
@Johnic perfect example. This guy knows that the PS5 is only slightly behind the PS4 launch aligned, so if it were behind in Spain, it almost certainly means it's ahead in other places. The PS5 is not significantly behind the PS4 and it has not had a price cut (the opposite, that he attests to) and it hasn't had the mid-gen refresh (that he attests to, but diminishes the value of, despite acknowledging that it sold 10+ million units).
Imagine getting an A on your first exam. You're in a car crash that leaves you paralyzed for weeks so you can't go to the class or study, you take the the second exam and get an A- and someone makes it sound like you're flunking out of school.
Also note that the teacher made the 2nd exam harder.
PS5 is literally down in most European Markets when aligned with PS4. North America and to an extent Japan (was) over performing and that kept the Gap from being bigger than it would have been
Looks like you haven't read the article. Source is Totoki, not Mochizuki itself. So, PS5 disc version is profitable since 2nd half of 2021
PS5 hit 50 million units in December 20th 2023. Launch aligned the ps4 had hit 50 million units by December 6th, 2016 and by January 1st it hit 53.4 million units. If the PS5 sold 0 units between December 20th, 2023 and January 1st 2024, it would at most be down 3.4 million units worldwide, which for roughly half of its life cycle would put it down at most 7 million units for its full lifetime.
By the end of March 2017 the ps4, it hit 60 million units, but we know that part of the boost the PS4 got in 2016 and 2017 was because of the PS4 Pro.
We should get an update on how many PS5s have sold by the end of March 2024 at the Sony financial update coming up, but this idea that the PS5 is running behind significantly is just not born out of facts.
That the PS5 is keeping pace with the PS4, despite a pandemic, despite being more expensive, despite increasing in price rather than decreasing in price, and despite not having a mid-gen refresh yet, and despite not getting a release of GTA6 yet, should calm your narrative, but it doesn't.
You refuse to talk numbers because you don't want to be pinned down to reality, you rather just obfuscate and pretend like your argument actually has merit, despite discussing in poor faith.
One advantage that the PS5 will have is that it likely won't be discontinued nearly as fast as the PS4 was due to supply chain restraints that required sony to focus on PS5 production over PS4 production.
The general premise that Sony is out here making mistakes is fanboy delusion that ignores the real variables. But we'll have two very important dates the up to date fiscal calendar numbers and calendar year end numbers at the end of this year.
Nah, I think GTA6 is definitely getting a Switch 2 port; Take-Two want that money. It'll just be around or a bit before the PC version. I say before, because it'd make more sense for T2 to release a Switch 2 version before a PC one. That way, even more potential double-dippers.
But as for PlayStation? Yeah, I think its best days are behind them. SIE are signaling like crazy that their priority is shifting towards the PC, which ironically might benefit Xbox more than anything else. As in, if MS really are shifting Xbox hardware to PC-like gaming devices, if you're willing to pay a couple hundred more why buy a PlayStation when the Xbox can give you SIE 1P, MS 1P, and Steam/GOG/EGS etc.?
As time goes on I definitely feel Jim Ryan took blame from fans he didn't deserve; one of the last things he said before leaving was that PC is in fact a competing platform to PlayStation. Now he's no longer there. Same with Connie Booth: gone. Herman Hulst was one of the main people pushing for quicker PC releases; he's still there. Hiroki Totoki is a money man above all else but without the passion & legacy for PlayStation that Jim Ryan had. He's still there. Kenichiro Yoshida is "good friends" with Satya Nadella and seems more enthused for AFEELA. He's still there.
I'll be frank; unless this next Showcase is stunning and actually shows SIE are prioritizing the console with exclusives, both returning & new IP...I think we'll know by then that they've finally got their own 3 Stooges to complement Phil, Matt and Sarah. And I don't mean that in a good way.
And you're assuming that:
1: PS5 Pro has the same market value for a use-case as PS4 Pro (it does not; it's weaker because PSVR2 is basically dead, there is no 4K TV revolution, and most of SIE's games are already on PC)
2: GTA6 will be as massive a sales hit as GTA5 (this is not guaranteed. GTA5 sold 150+ million copies but also across 3 console generations. GTA games prior going back to 3 were doing at most ~ 20 - 30 million copies lifetime)
Again, even accounting for the pandemic, Sony's own fiscal projections showed them being ahead of PS4 by this point, yet now they are lagging behind. And this is with them also knowing the PS5 Pro would be launching later than PS4 Pro launch-aligned, AND likely also factoring in the price increase.
The only thing I could give you here is the price increase being an unforeseen error that SIE were forced to make, impacting their sales. And there are markets to prove this likely being the case, such as Japan. But even so...they would've known about this way back when preparing the price increase, and accounted for that. Still doesn't change the fact PS5 is now pacing behind PS4 when launch-aligned.
Once again, it always "starts off" as "only slightly behind"...and then the gap grows. It doesn't suddenly appear a big problem all at once, it just creeps up over time like with subscription service price increases.
What SIE need to be asking themselves if there are any unforced errors on THEIR part contributing to PS5 lagging behind PS4. Anything they've done which was otherwise in their complete domain of control. And the answer is "Yes". There are quite a few things they've been doing that have likely contributed to PS5 now pacing a bit behind PS4.
Will they fix those things? Dunno. But more PC ports, another PS+ price increase (if planned), even less 1P releases from internal studios etc. sure as hell won't get PS5 sales ticking back up at or beyond PS4 levels launch-aligned, that's for sure.
Don't forget: GT7 was also on the Nvidia leak and PS Blog were quick to shout about PC compatibility for PSVR2. So that could be happening this year, too.
Also: Demon's Souls Remake probably has a well-along PC build and was another game on the Nvidia leak. I still remember the first ad for the game at the September 2020 SoP and the fine print mentioning the PC version. That was scrubbed from all future adverts, but it shows they've had this initiative cooking since even before the PS5's launch.
They just hid it from being too noticeable for a while and if anything the pandemic might've helped delay some of the ports to PC. Or better to say, games that "suddenly" got PS4 cross-gen versions might've just been PC versions at some point of development sidelined and attention prioritized for PS4 versions instead.
But at least Sony were still prioritizing their console in that scenario, and they proved you could do cross-gen right (unlike Microsoft), so that was nice.
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Ironically the one thing that might force Sony to course correct and go against their self destructive current plans is Xbox making Steam available in their next console. Xbox has one last job.
Post PS4 Sony is a great example of how focusing excessively on short term gains will take down anyone. It's particularity destructive in this case because Sony's main competitors in Nintendo and Steam are always focused on their long term strategies.
At least Phil Spencer destroyed Xbox, the Sony executives destroying PlayStation are far worse.
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No 4K TV revolution.. You have this backwards. The 4KTV market is now cemented when it WASN'T when the PS4 Pro came out. When the PS4 Pro came out hardly anyone even had 4KTV. Only 31 percent of US households had a 4KTV by 2019... That number is now over 66%
You mention SIE games being on PC with no evidence that would slow down consoles sales.
There are no analysts expecting GTA6 to do worse than GTA5. The game looks to be bigger than ever, has a core fanbase that has been playing online for years.
It's like saying God of War Ragnarok was going to sell like God of War 3. I guess it's possible it could sell 0 copies by that metric but what is MORE and MOST likely?
What does Sony's projections have to do with anything? Also what do those projections have to do with the Ps5 pro? Did they give you projections for 2024 in 2022? They thought the PS5 would be outpacing the PS4 because they misguaged the pentup demand for PS5, that doesn't really have any bearing on anything else. Like I have no idea where you're going with this.
They raised prices because component costs went up. Did they foresee component prices going up? You're able to state that they were wrong about their guidance about how many PS5s they would sell, but you don't think they could have been wrong about their forecast for costs based on 3rd party vendors? And again, it's not that far behind.
You're not wrong, obviously something has to start somewhere, but again launch aligned the PS5 has far more in it's favor moving forward than the PS4 did at the same time. The PS4 did not get a mid-gen refresh at this point. It did not get the biggest game in 10+ years at this point. And the PS5 could perceivable still receive a price cut, which the PS4 did not get at this point.
Again with the PC Ports, with there being 0 evidence that is impacting console sales. Is there any evidence that PS+ price impacts consoles sales? Launch aligned how many first party titles did Sony have between 2017 and 2020? How many PS5 titles does Sony have for the next 3 years? (spoiler: you have no idea because Sony no longer announces games far in advance).
But you ignored what Totoki said, huh? So, PS5 disc version is profitable in the end
What I'm telling you is Totoki never said that.
Please refer to the ACTUAL source.
There is literally a transcript of what he said, a recording, and the Q&A segment. He never said that.
Totoki is the source. He is a man for financials. But whatever, you don't need to believe that PS5 disc version is profitable
The source is citing him from the earnings report... the same earnings report in which he never even mentions the disc based ps5... you can literally still check it... it's all available.
You don't see anyone else reporting this outside of Bloomberg unless they are.... citing Bloomberg...
Sony would't mention that PS5 is profitable if it is not. But it is. Same thing happened with PS4 in its first year.