WSJ - PS5 61.7M, XBS 28.3M shipments (end of June 2024)

[Systemshock2023]

The percentage of those with high end cards is diminishing as overall sales of video cards plummet.

This is why AMD said they're not even going to focus on those cards moving forward.

That doesn't matter for mainstream gaming. Upcoming top of the line cards are basically PS6 performance. That's the bleeding edge.

In 2025 the floor in GPU performance for PC gaming will rise after 3 or 4 years of stagnation.

Entry level GPUs should easily handle 9th gen AAA titles with performance slightly above a base ps5.

 

[mibu no ookami]

That doesn't matter for mainstream gaming. Upcoming top of the line cards are basically PS6 performance. That's the bleeding edge.

In 2025 the floor in GPU performance for PC gaming will rise after 3 or 4 years of stagnation.

Entry level GPUs should easily handle 9th gen AAA titles with performance slightly above a base ps5.

And software sales will decline in line with hardware sales... Maybe you're not understanding this...

Whenever you pose the scenario to a PC consumer, upgrade your rig in order to play new games, they have to ask themselves whether they want to upgrade or go to consoles and the declining hardware sales suggest the latter is happening.

 

[KvallyX]

The last group says it has its ass between 2 chairs: it's in a class of its own.

I have never heard that one before. I love it! I need to use that in everyday life

 

[ethomaz]

PC gaming is in decline because the cost is so high to maintain console level or above performance. That cost ratio is going to continue to rise now that the PS5 Pro is coming out.

But in PCMR guys PC is shinning like never with Sony porting their games there lol

 

[Killer_Sakoman]

Consoles revenue more than doubled in last 10 years ( sure not mobile growth but huge growth), yet we hear they are doomed.

 

[KvallyX]

Consoles revenue more than doubled in last 10 years ( sure not mobile growth but huge growth), yet we hear they are doomed.

Well, the prices continue to go up as well.

 

[ethomaz]

That's missing at least 140 million gen 9 consoles in the chart.

I don't know any company that put Switch as console anymore.
It enters in the Portable category all the time.

9th Gen consoles are only PS5, Series X and Series S.

 

[KvallyX]

I don't know any company that put Switch as console anymore.
It enters in the Portable category all the time.

9th Gen consoles are only PS5, Series X and Series S.

I only see it listed a console. 9th gen consoles are Xbox Series, PS5 and Switch.

 

[ethomaz]

I only see it listed a console. 9th gen consoles are Xbox Series, PS5 and Switch.

Not even Wikipedia has it listed as 9th gen console.
Where are you getting that?

 

[Bryank75]

With the Pro launching, they should be very close to 70 million by the end of the fiscal year.

 

[Evilms]

Not even Wikipedia has it listed as 9th gen console.
Where are you getting that?

True.

Generation : Eighth / Ninth

Even for Wikipedia it's not so obvious

 

[KvallyX]

Not even Wikipedia has it listed as 9th gen console.
Where are you getting that?

Media, websites, Statistica, searches. VGChartz, MS, Everywhere. Even Wiki:

Ninth generation of video game consoles - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"the Nintendo Switch has also been noted as a competitor to ninth-generation consoles"

Even NIntendo themselves:

Nintendo Switch Neon Blue + Neon Red - Hardware - Nintendo - Nintendo Official Site

Buy Nintendo Switch - Neon Blue + Neon Red Joy-Con and shop other great Nintendo products online at the official My Nintendo Store.

www.nintendo.com

What's in the box​

Get everything you need to get started. Just pop in a game (sold separately) and go!

• Nintendo Switch Console
• Nintendo Switch Dock
• Joy-Con (L) Neon Blue
• Joy-Con (R) Neon Red
• Joy-Con Wrist Straps
• Joy-Con Grip
• High Speed HDMI Cable
• Nintendo Switch AC Adapter

Nintendo Switch unit sales worldwide 2017-2024 | Statista

Since its launch on March 3, 2017, the Nintendo Switch has sold over 143.4 million consoles worldwide as of August 2024.

www.statista.com

Nintendo Switch

The Nintendo Switch is Nintendo’s ninth generation hybrid console, succeeding both the Nintendo 3DS and the Wii U. The system launched in early 2017. The main features are its capacitive screen, detachable wireless motion controllers and it’s charging dock converter which will output the...

vgsales.fandom.com

The Nintendo Switch is Nintendo’s ninth generation hybrid console,

 

[ethomaz]

Media, websites, Statistica, searches. VGChartz, MS, Everywhere. Even Wiki:

Ninth generation of video game consoles - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"the Nintendo Switch has also been noted as a competitor to ninth-generation consoles"

Even NIntendo themselves:

Nintendo Switch Neon Blue + Neon Red - Hardware - Nintendo - Nintendo Official Site

Buy Nintendo Switch - Neon Blue + Neon Red Joy-Con and shop other great Nintendo products online at the official My Nintendo Store.

www.nintendo.com

What's in the box​

Get everything you need to get started. Just pop in a game (sold separately) and go!

• Nintendo Switch Console
• Nintendo Switch Dock
• Joy-Con (L) Neon Blue
• Joy-Con (R) Neon Red
• Joy-Con Wrist Straps
• Joy-Con Grip
• High Speed HDMI Cable
• Nintendo Switch AC Adapter

Nintendo Switch unit sales worldwide 2017-2024 | Statista

Since its launch on March 3, 2017, the Nintendo Switch has sold over 143.4 million consoles worldwide as of August 2024.

www.statista.com

Nintendo Switch

The Nintendo Switch is Nintendo’s ninth generation hybrid console, succeeding both the Nintendo 3DS and the Wii U. The system launched in early 2017. The main features are its capacitive screen, detachable wireless motion controllers and it’s charging dock converter which will output the...

vgsales.fandom.com

The Nintendo Switch is Nintendo’s ninth generation hybrid console,

You wiki link has three 9th gen console listed... PS5, Series X and Series X.
After that they use the Related platforms sections to talk about Switch linking it to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighth_generation_of_video_game_consoles#Nintendo_Switch.

Technically a portable is still a console but the market is different.

Talking about financials when the pic you quoted is from Take 2.
I never saw any big publisher like Take 2 putting Switch in the same category than PS5 / Series X|S.
All of them when they talk about next-gen consoles talks only about PS5 / Series X|S.
And they put games for Switch in the Portable / Mobile business category.

Because nobody in the industry thinks Switch aim the same market than PS5 / Series... they are different markets... Switch doesn't compete with consoles.

 

[KvallyX]

You wiki link has three 9th gen console listed... PS5, Series X and Series X.
After that they use the Related platforms sections to talk about Switch linking it to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighth_generation_of_video_game_consoles#Nintendo_Switch.

But we talking about financials here when the pic you quoted is from Take 2.
I never saw any big publisher like Take 2 putting Switch in the same category than PS5 / Series X|S.
All of them when they talk about next-gen consoles talks only about PS5 / Series X|S.
And they put games for Switch in the Portable / Mobile business category

Not from what I see. We will just have to agree to disagree.

 

[Cool hand luke]

Switch is a handheld, and PS5 is outselling Xbox by 2:1 lifetime and up to 20:1 in certain markets. Feels good, man

 

[ethomaz]

Not from what I see. We will just have to agree to disagree.

The whole industry put Switch separably from PS5 and Series S/X because they are different markets.
And you say not from what I see?
Crazy indeed.

It will be really hard to find slides from financials like that Take 2 one talking about consoles and putting Switch together lol

 

[KvallyX]

The whole industry put Switch separably from PS5 and Series S/X because they are different markets.
And you say not from what I see?
Crazy indeed.

It will be really hard to find slides from financials like that Take 2 one talking about consoles and putting Switch together lol

lol ok

 

[Yurinka]

Their Xbox estimate seems to be totally wrong. We've seen PS enlarging their marketshare vs XB in all the main markets during the recent years.

So the distance between both must be larger now that some years ago, which already was bigger than 2:1. It must be close or above 3:1.

PC gaming is in decline because the cost is so high to maintain console level or above performance. That cost ratio is going to continue to rise now that the PS5 Pro is coming out.

PC gaming is not in decline.

The ESTIMATE of that Aldora Intelligence nobodies is that it did decrease ONLY for last year after being growing since basically everywhere.

According to estimates of known and prestigious agencies like IDG or Newzoo it keeps growing:

And well, the Steam userbase keeps growing.

 

[Old Gamer]

That doesn't matter for mainstream gaming. Upcoming top of the line cards are basically PS6 performance. That's the bleeding edge.

Of course. And how much does the bleeding edge cost? More than a PS6 will, I'm guessing.

 

[Systemshock2023]

Of course. And how much does the bleeding edge cost? More than a PS6 will, I'm guessing.

Not when you factor the De Lorean you need to get Ps6 like performance in a console now and not in 2028/2029. That's why it's called the bleeding edge. It never makes sense price/performance wise. It's not meant to.