Xbox's cancerous effect on consoles and monetisation
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Yes and no, it is harder for we to move to the gamepass model because there is not 1 service with all of the content, something that netflix had from his inception. The main plus of Netflix was easy acess and convenience. The same cannot be said of gamepass, it is "praised" because it is "free" so all these comparisons does not work.
But it can work if MS tries to buy everything and make it available on gamepass... I just do not expect them to make any money, so I have no idea why they are even doing it.
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They will make money by laying the path for everything to become GAAS and making bank on monetisation
In Microsofts dream scenario they are leading / control the majority of content, and everything is eventually accessible only on Gamepass. That means they are paying a set fee for licensing the game and then make all the royalties on ingame monetisation. Like Fortnite F2P but it's every game. And every dev will need to design games that way because they will only make so much off of the licensing fee
Yeah kinda, he is more into multiplayer, something that Sony lacks. They are just looking at the rest of the industry, same thing happened when they did released tons of free to play games. As long Playstation do not abandon their identity ( making good games, focus on quality ) I think it is ok. Because let's face it, Playstation is the only one trying new IPs and new ideas, the rest of the industry is creatively soulless.
Suicide Squad looks like dogshit. Gameplay is Fortnite meets crackdown but without a PvP component. So you just have an open world sandbox and Fortnite gunplay… no endgame. No character builds.
Game is a goner without PvP. Even then… it would need a shit ton of characters and abilities and customization. Skins ain’t it.
WB knocked it out of the park with Harry Potter and MK12 is gonna def bitchslap both Tekken 8 and SF6 (I am huge street fighter fan but that’s the reality of things) but this game?
It’s gonna be Anthem’d. Might have a decent launch because of capeshit stooges but that’s it. One month and then it’s DEAD.
Sigh… after seeing shit like Outriders, Halo Infinite, Division 2, Ghost Recon: Breakpoint, Avengers, Arkham Knights and now this… man they should’ve went with that anthem reboot.
OUTRIDERS FUCKING SUCKEDDDDDD. Absolutely painful slog
Game is a goner without PvP. Even then… it would need a shit ton of characters and abilities and customization. Skins ain’t it.
WB knocked it out of the park with Harry Potter and MK12 is gonna def bitchslap both Tekken 8 and SF6 (I am huge street fighter fan but that’s the reality of things) but this game?
It’s gonna be Anthem’d. Might have a decent launch because of capeshit stooges but that’s it. One month and then it’s DEAD.
Sigh… after seeing shit like Outriders, Halo Infinite, Division 2, Ghost Recon: Breakpoint, Avengers, Arkham Knights and now this… man they should’ve went with that anthem reboot.
OUTRIDERS FUCKING SUCKEDDDDDD. Absolutely painful slog
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I know I was being scarcastic about that, tons of people still view and praise MS as the good company, an entity that is here to do charity to us poor gamers. It is more than clear that MS have an agenda to control everything.
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None of his posts on this forum or gaf have any value.
They have a goal since 2001
Microsoft entered the console business to stop Sony, former VP says
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Yeah I remember that story, I was being sarcastic, because most people cannot see MS true goals - to be disruptive and gain control by any means necessary.They have a goal since 2001
Microsoft entered the console business to stop Sony, former VP says
Microsoft entered the console business primarily "to stop Sony," Joachim Kempin, former vice president of Windows Sales at Microsoft told IGN. "Sony was always very arm's length with Microsoft,"...
Netflix, as well as Youtube, disrupted the consumption of everything we watch. The introduction of relatively cheap, on demand, low friction video content of all kind means that having to go out to get a DVD or sit in a theatre is something a lot of people will not consider unless there is something truly special going on.
Sony had DLC/MTX dating back to PS2 with SOCOM. And neither Sony or MS has done anything as shitty as Amiibo. No one is innocent in milking their games for money and most of this stuff is not related to Xbox or even accurate.
What is the worst example of monetization you guys have personally experienced in games? My top three:
1. Last of Us factions, started as an incredible tactical shooter and ended up as a shank/smoke bomb parade after ND ruined the meta with loads of MTX and some crappy pay to win stuff.
2. Shadow of War, they took a great foundation in Shadow of Mordor and added all kinds of fucking nonsense so they could sell you MTX. Because of this I boycotted it until they removed all MTX from the game.
3. Forza 6, same as above. Added all kinds of MTX and altered the economy to push people to MTX and loot boxes. Boycotted 6 and 7 until they were removed. Now that I think of it, 7 might have launched with no loot boxes, I forget.
Overall I think most games handle monetization fine. But a few bad apples, etc.
What is the worst example of monetization you guys have personally experienced in games? My top three:
1. Last of Us factions, started as an incredible tactical shooter and ended up as a shank/smoke bomb parade after ND ruined the meta with loads of MTX and some crappy pay to win stuff.
2. Shadow of War, they took a great foundation in Shadow of Mordor and added all kinds of fucking nonsense so they could sell you MTX. Because of this I boycotted it until they removed all MTX from the game.
3. Forza 6, same as above. Added all kinds of MTX and altered the economy to push people to MTX and loot boxes. Boycotted 6 and 7 until they were removed. Now that I think of it, 7 might have launched with no loot boxes, I forget.
Overall I think most games handle monetization fine. But a few bad apples, etc.
Microsoft wants to kill the retail and buy to play model. They dream of a Game Pass future where all the publishers put their games on the service because they have no other choice.
Sony is trying to resist that model but if the regulators don't stop MS, there is nothing they can do.
Sony is trying to resist that model but if the regulators don't stop MS, there is nothing they can do.
I'm gonna be honest... all these practices would still have been introduced without xbox. Even if it might have come a little later. Companies have been inventing ways to nickel and dime customers for ever.
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SOCOM 2? No it didn't. They released some extra maps for free via the PlayStation magazine demo discs. Not really what we are talking about is it?
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I agree and disagree with your post here. I loved Outriders, Halo Infinite campaign and especially Division 2 which four years after release, I still play. Ghost Recon Breakpoint was trash and I dropped it fast despite being a Ubisoft fanboy, bought Avengers and loved the opening few missions but once the loot kicks in, I just couldn't continue it and while I finished Gotham Knights, I do think Avengers from what I played was the better game.
Suicide Squad is basically Gotham Knights but with better visuals and probably better combat. The issue is that for superhero games, they don't need loot, gear scores, etc. At most, they should be like Batman Arkham or Spider Man. You gain XP, level up in order to get skill points and just make your abilities and gadgets that you should already have stronger and better.
The best live service setup to me is give me a great base game, a few paid expansions for a year or two and maybe some free season content but I don't care about daily and weekly stuff. As I said earlier, I love The Division 2 but the seasonal content has gotten stale and boring but I would love a new Warlords of NY type expansion and yes, I would buy it day one.
There are some live service games im very much looking forward to - Redfall and Diablo IV are the two big ones for me. Difference with me is that I prefer to play less games every year but those I really love and enjoy, I rather play more of instead of playing other games that I may not be into at all.
The funny thing its you must feel smart using all these examples, two different industries and i Still ser Mothertruckas using the Nexflix example, its laughable