Your personal breaking point for Playstation.

[akira__]

no the discussion was what finding out what makes something crap?
If sales aren't the answer then we are just gonna sit here and say "well this game sucks because I don't like it"
Well it's time to grow up and realize just because you don't like something doesn't make it "crap"
stuff like concord flopping so hard to the point it shut down only two weeks after launch should send a message about what the market thinks of it

Decade-old games were not a joke. Mario Kart 8 and Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze are from 2014. If would do the same for playstation the list would be endless.

But here's the thing: everyone is different, so everyone is allowed to like what they like. Nintendo fans have been using this mantra as a shield since the Wii era. Perfect Dark was by every metric a better game than GoldenEye, yet it sold only one-fifth as much. It's not just about sales.
If it were only about sales and we follow that train of thought, then would FIFA, Madden, Call of Duty, NBA, Assassin's Creed, and GTA 5 be considered the best games?
Those franchises all found their success on PlayStation.

Decade-old games or yearly franchises might sell very well, but that doesn't make them comparable to games like Death Stranding, God of War Ragnarök, or The Last of Us 2.
As always, we have to ask the question: what games did you play last year?

 

[RE4-City]

Decade-old games were not a joke. Mario Kart 8 and Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze are from 2014.

But here's the thing: everyone is different, so everyone is allowed to like what they like. Nintendo fans have been using this mantra as a shield since the Wii era. Perfect Dark was by every metric a better game than GoldenEye, yet it sold only one-fifth as much. It's not just about sales.
If it were only about sales and we follow that train of thought, then would FIFA, Madden, Call of Duty, NBA, Assassin's Creed, and GTA 5 be considered the best games?
Those franchises all found their success on PlayStation.

Decade-old games or yearly franchises might sell very well, but that doesn't make them comparable to games like Death Stranding, God of War Ragnarök, or The Last of Us.
As always, we have to ask the question: what games did you play last year?

Funny you bring up decade old games and talk what makes something better than anything else.
The last of us was nearly a decade old when it got remade for PS5 and sold ok
Until Dawn is nearly a decade old and got remade for PS5 and PC and sold like shit.
If decade old ports still sell sure that doesn't make them the greatest games of all time but crap?
You can think Perfect Dark is a better game tan Goldeneye 007 and fine, nothing wrong with that but that doesn't mean everyone will even if the sales were the other way around and Perfect Dark sold boats load more..

I could call God of War 2018 crap and I'm sure some will agree with me, and I can call it the best game of all time and some will agree with me again. That doesn't prove nothing also like you saying Nintendo games don't compare to The Last of Us and Death Stranding? again pure opinion.

Games surviving for decades long does mean it kept its fanbase however and that is something tangible. Being able to continue and still see sales from fans support you will always be the biggest marker that what you are doing is right.

 

[akira__]

Funny you bring up decade old games and talk what makes something better than anything else.
The last of was nearly a decade old when it got remade for PS5 and sold ok
Until Dawn is nearly a decade old and got remade for PS5 and PC and sold like shit.
If decade old ports still sell sure that doesn't make them the greatest games of all time but crap?
You can think Perfect Dark is a better game tan Goldeneye 007 and fine, nothing wrong with that but that doesn't mean everyone will even if the sales were the other way around and Perfect Dark sold boats load more..

I could call God of War 2018 crap and I'm sure some will agree with me, and I can call it the best games of all time and some will agree with me again. That doesn't prove nothing also like you saying Nintendo games don't compare to The Last of Us and Death Stranding? again pure opinion.

Games surviving for decades long does mean it kept its fanbase however and that is something tangible. Being able to continue and still see sales from fans support you will always be the biggest marker that what you are doing is right.

The Last of Us Part 2 is not a decade old.

But let's take The Last of Us remake. That one would also fit in that list. The point still stands. Its not only about games sold, if it was then those yearly sport games are the best ever.

As said previously, Switch is not in the same market as PlayStation. If you disagree, you can read all the court documents from market watchdogs and PlayStation and Xbox. So the comparison of games doenst hold, otherwise we can also start counting mobile games.

Why should we as gamers care, that Nintendo is selling the same games to kids. Shareholders and fanboys might care, but why should we? If we follow that train of thought, then why not Candy Crush? Selling games to kids doenst mean you hold your fanbase, they are not rebuying the game again. They already have it.

But you kind of dodged the very simple question: which games did you play last year?

 

[RE4-City]

The Last of Us Part 2 is not a decade old.

But let's take The Last of Us remake. That one would also fit in that list. The point still stands.

As said previously, Switch is not in the same market as PlayStation. If you disagree, you can read all the court documents from market watchdogs and PlayStation and Xbox.

Selling the same game to new kids - why should we as gamers care? Shareholders and fanboys might care, but why should we? If we follow that train of thought, then why not Candy Crush? Why not Tencent?

But you kind of dodged the very simple question: which games did you play last year?

Now thats funny, you are using court documents from the FTC and PlayStation that lost as proof that Nintendo and PlayStation are in a different market?

okay then what market is the PlayStation portal in then?
are you telling me when I walk into a Walmart and GameStop I will only see one of them and not the other in the gaming section since they are not in the same market?

Not only that but you are telling me all these kids are buying Nintendo Online to play online games like PlayStation and Xbox?
Heck Foamstars which is a PS exclusive and cross play between both PS4 and PS5 has barely anyone playing on it.
Also as previously stated the PS5 has more remakes/remastered than new games?
why should I care if Death Stranding sold an extra 1 million on PS5?

anyway the games I played in the last year are:
Resident Evil 4 on Switch, Xbox one, PS4, PS3, PS2, GameCube, Wii, and Oculus Quest 2 (Most Played)
Resident Evil 4 Remake PS4 (2nd Most played to get the platinum)
Foamstars PS4 (3rd most play because of how long match making takes, barely anyone is playing)
Resident Evil 4 Project HD PC (4th most played)
The Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time Wii U Virtual Console (5th Most played)
Conker Live and Reloaded Xbox One Backwards compatible (6th most played)
Paper Mario Origami King Switch
Mario vs DK Switch
Super Mario RPG Switch
Mario Party Superstars Switch
Super Mario Party Switch
Resident Evil 3D Mercenaries 3DS
Super Mario 3D All-Stars Switch
Splatoon Wii U
Metroid Prime Hunters Wii U Virtual Console
GoldenEye 007 on Rare replay Xbox One
Conker Rare Replay
Manhunt Xbox One
Super Smash Bros for Wii U
The Legend of Zelda Majora's Mask Wii U Virtual Console
The Legend of Zelda Twilight Princess on GameCube
The Legend of Zelda The Wind Waker on GameCube and Wii U
Mario & Luigi SuperStar Saga on Wii U Virtual Console
Tom Clancy Splinter Cell on PS3 and Xbox
Tom Clancy Splinter Cell on PS3
Final Fantasy VII rebirth PS5
Resident Evil 2 remake PS4
Resident Evil 3 Remake PS4 and PC
Resident Evil 7 PS4 and PS5
Resident Evil 8 PS4
Resident Evil 5 Remastered PS4
Resident Evil 6 Remastered PS4
Tomb Raider Definitive Edition PS4

 

[Dr. E99]

ITT: people who have made a corporate brand their identity and personality, and who desperately need to touch grass.

 

[KvallyX]

No breaking point here. I will just keep buying them, no matter what. With or without KY, I am in it for the long haul.

 

[MonkeyDNuts]

My breaking point was 2 years ago when I realized that the only 1st party games Sony would make this generation are mediocre sequels, that we'd get maybe 2 games a year, and that everything was going to PC. I gave my PS5 to my nephew as a birthday gift. But in retrospect, I was being too optimistic, PS5 is only getting 1 first party game a year.... so yeah, I've washed my hands of PlayStation entirely and going Nintendo + PC.

I thought I might somewhat miss my PS5 but everyday I'm only happier that I gave it away.

 

[akira__]

Now thats funny, you are using court documents from the FTC and PlayStation that lost as proof that Nintendo and PlayStation are in a different market?

okay then what market is the PlayStation portal in then?
are you telling me when I walk into a Walmart and GameStop I will only see one of the other since they are not in the same market?

Not only that but you are telling me all these kids are buying Nintendo Online to play online games like PlayStation and Xbox?
Heck Foamstars which is a PS exclusive and cross play between both PS4 and PS5 has barely anyone playing on it.
Also as previously stated the PS5 has more remakes/remastered than new games?
why should I care if Death Stranding sold an extra 1 million on PS5?

anyway the games I played in the last year are:
Resident Evil 4 on Switch, Xbox one, PS4, PS3, PS2, GameCube, Wii, and Oculus Quest 2 (Most Played)
Resident Evil 4 Remake PS4 (2nd Most played to get the platinum)
Foamstars PS4 (3rd most play because of how long match making takes, barely anyone is playing)
Resident Evil 4 Project HD PC (4th most played)
The Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time Wii U Virtual Console (5th Most played)
Conker Live and Reloaded Xbox One Backwards compatible (6th most played)
Paper Mario Origami King Switch
Mario vs DK Switch
Super Mario RPG Switch
Mario Party Superstars Switch
Super Mario Party Switch
Resident Evil 3D Mercenaries 3DS
Super Mario 3D All-Stars Switch
Splatoon Wii U
Metroid Prime Hunters Wii U Virtual Console
GoldenEye 007 on Rare replay Xbox One
Conker Rare Replay
Manhunt Xbox One
Super Smash Bros for Wii U
The Legend of Zelda Majora's Mask Wii U Virtual Console
The Legend of Zelda Twilight Princess on GameCube
The Legend of Zelda The Wind Waker on GameCube and Wii U
Mario & Luigi SuperStar Saga on Wii U Virtual Console
Tom Clancy Splinter Cell on PS3 and Xbox
Tom Clancy Splinter Cell on PS3
Final Fantasy VII rebirth PS5
Resident Evil 2 remake PS4
Resident Evil 3 Remake PS4 and PC
Resident Evil 7 PS4 and PS5
Resident Evil 8 PS4
Resident Evil 5 Remastered PS4
Resident Evil 6 Remastered PS4
Tomb Raider Definitive Edition PS4

I'm not going to discuss the different markets of both consoles, if you disagree that is then purely your opinion. If you would like to understand the difference then go over the court, CMA, EU documents.

You keep using failed games on ps as if to troll me or ps fans. But the ps philosophy is deliver or get out. PS gamers want the best, and even then still complain. That is why this thread is even allowed here, try to create "what is your breaking point" at a xbox or Nintendo forum.

The portal was ridiculed by playstation fans when it was announced(remember the best or get out), it's not a competitor of switch as streaming a device. You can't play without good Internet.

So it seems you keep playing the same games each year. I can't play games with with low framerates and low resolution anymore nor keep playing the same games each year. To each their own. Do know that is outlier behavior.

You said sales are most important factor to determine how good games are then I would like to tell you that you are missing gta5, cod, ea sports fc, Madden, nba2, red dead redemption 2.

Furthermore candy crush according to your logic in which we can't differentiate between the markets of devices and sales are the most important, then candy crush and other mobile games(just like Switch lite is a mobile device) are the best games.

Why would you keep playing on the ps4 if you have ps5?

This will be my last post in this silly thread.

 

[SuperPotato]

okay then what market is the PlayStation portal in then?

It's an optional streaming accessory for people who want to play their PS5 on the go or around the house. Nothing more nothing less. It's not competing against the Switch or any other handheld.

 

[RE4-City]

I'm not going to discuss the different markets of both consoles, if you disagree that is then purely your opinion. If you would like to understand the difference then go over the court, CMA, EU documents.

You keep using failed games on ps as if to troll me or ps fans. But the ps philosophy is deliver or get out. PS gamers want the best, and even then still complain. That is why this thread is even allowed here, try to create "what is your breaking point" at a xbox or Nintendo forum.

The portal was ridiculed by playstation fans when it was announced(remember the best or get out), it's not a competitor of switch as streaming a device. You can't play without good Internet.

So it seems you keep playing the same games each year. I can't play games with with low framerates and low resolution anymore nor keep playing the same games each year. To each their own. Do know that is outlier behavior.

You said sales are most important factor to determine how good games are then I would like to tell you that you are missing gta5, cod, ea sports fc, Madden, nba2, red dead redemption 2.

Furthermore candy crush according to your logic in which we can't differentiate between the markets of devices and sales are the most important, then candy crush and other mobile games(just like Switch lite is a mobile device) are the best games.

Why would you keep playing on the ps4 if you have ps5?

This will be my last post in this silly thread.

First of all I'm not trolling you PS fans you guys troll yourselves by lying to yourselves. All I asked is how are Wii and Wii U Games crap? and I got no answer because a lot of the Wii and Wii U games have been copied by PlayStation.

Like how I never said The Last of Part 2 was a decade old, I was quoting you saying DKC Tropical freeze and Mario Kart 8 being a decade old which is irrelevant because they were 3 and 4 years old when they got ported to switch.

Also what is your point about me not playing GTA V? I played it a lot in 2018 and dabbed with it here and there. i don't feel the need to go back to it but because you asked the dumb question of "What games have you played in the last year" and now are trying to act like I never played any other game outside of the past year is classic Peg-Station fanboy baffoonary. I literally never called Death Stranding or GOT director's cut failures, I just said the market didn't accept them like they did with Nintendo's Wii u Ports.

also you can't even seem to get what I said right because of your fanboy bias. I was literally comparing remasters and remakes between Nintendo and Sony since the argument was "Switch is just Regurgitated crap from the Wii and Wii U" and said Sony has more new releases than Nintendo which both of those statements are flat out false.

Regurgitated crap from the Wii U and Wii.

Wanna play that game then Sony averages more than that when it chucks PS1 and PS2 ports on PS Plus each month.

However the fact that ports sell better on Switch than PS is saying something when the ports on PS were hits back in the day and the Wii U ports on switch are much more uncertain in sales.
That was the point but you keep bringing madden, gta v (which to be fair has been remastered 2 times now), and candy crush but besides GTA those aren't remasters tho Madden is kinda close to one ever year. I'm not saying the best selling games are the best ones ever and while I do like Mario Kart 8 (60 Million Sold) and Wii Sports (80 Million Sold) I do not claim they are the best ever.

That is literally the reason I said "Games surviving for decades long does mean it kept its fanbase however and that is something tangible. Being able to continue and still see sales from fans support you will always be the biggest marker that what you are doing is right".
Do you think PlayStation would of made it 30 years if it was all crap? no just like how I don't think most of the switches games are ports and how the ones that are ports are "Crap" like some fool on here thinks and yet I never got an answer still about how Wii and Wii U games are crap when Astrobot (PlayStation's Big game this year) literally took a lot of notes from Super Mario Galaxy (A Wii Game).

Then again I am on a site that get triggered over stuff like this:

What has been the funniest meme this gen?

I think the E3 2006 Sony PS3 memes about $699, RIiiidge Ray-sir, and Giant Enemy crabs were the best that gen The DS it prints money meme was great as well https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/it-prints-money Chad Warden the 360 wall guy...

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But yes half of the games I played this year are on PS because it was my platform of choice from 2020 to earlier this year. Notice how in my backlog it is mostly games I picked up from years ago on PlayStation 4 and the only New PS games I got this year was part of a remake (FF7) and foamstars which is a game practically nobody is playing.

This year I only played like 3 PS5 games despite it being my system of choice since I got it day one on November 12th, 2020 and have picked up 7 Switch games and plan on picking up 3 more because I rather play there now and the cool backlog on Wii U. If PlayStation fans want the best of the best like your some sort of hive mind then leave me the hell out.
Also my PC can run RE4 project HD mod at 60fps so I am not playing with low framerates or resolution like you assume but that is your problem, lots and lots of assume stuff. Thank goodness you won't be replying to this thread anymore.

If Concord is the best of the best then I am good. I will just say my taste differ from what PlayStation is outputting and if that s not enough for you then... ok, Don't really care.

 

[Vertigo]

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