Jim Ryan confirms that PC is a direct competitor to Playstation in FTC documents.

Banana said:

Playstation will be fine as it's the defactp home console. As long as people keep buying consoles, it will be fine.

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Yes but now they are giving fans and potential future fans an option to play there games elsewhere. And dont need to bother buying a PS at all.

Tired of this argument lol, Ive seen it with my own eyes with both Xbox and PS, where fans have moved to PC or when they use to own both they dont bother buying PS5/Xbox anymore.

Theres a thread on the other forum, some of those PC fans use to be Xbox fans, but say they no longer need to own an Xbox.

Theres many comments online now that say they just wait till the game is on PC when it comes to PS5 games. Thats already a 30% going to Steam. I know people who have just moved on to PC.

Nintendo knows better, PS knew better. If day and day games happen with PC, it will be the worst move PS has ever done

Kokoloko said:

Yes but now they are giving fans and potential future fans an option to play there games elsewhere. And dont need to bother buying a PS at all.

Tired of this argument lol, Ive seen it with my own eyes with both Xbox and PS, where fans have moved to PC or when they use to own both they dont bother buying PS5/Xbox anymore.

Theres a thread on the other forum, some of those PC fans use to be Xbox fans, but say they no longer need to own an Xbox.

Theres many comments online now that say they just wait till the game is on PC when it comes to PS5 games. Thats already a 30% going to Steam. I know people who have just moved on to PC.

Nintendo knows better, PS knew better. If day and day games happen with PC, it will be the worst move PS has ever done

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This is fine because consoles are low margin, risky hardware and Playstation wants to make more money by growing their first party with multiplatforms like computers. In the past, Sony used first party to "popularize the console", but times have changed.

Kokoloko said:

Yes but now they are giving fans and potential future fans an option to play there games elsewhere. And dont need to bother buying a PS at all.

Tired of this argument lol, Ive seen it with my own eyes with both Xbox and PS, where fans have moved to PC or when they use to own both they dont bother buying PS5/Xbox anymore.

Theres a thread on the other forum, some of those PC fans use to be Xbox fans, but say they no longer need to own an Xbox.

Theres many comments online now that say they just wait till the game is on PC when it comes to PS5 games. Thats already a 30% going to Steam. I know people who have just moved on to PC.

Nintendo knows better, PS knew better. If day and day games happen with PC, it will be the worst move PS has ever done

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Of course gamers with more money will go to PC if they haven't already.

Console is great for lower income people, casuals, or those that think PCs are too difficult.

Nintendo games are on PC as well, and that hasn't hurt them, even when the games release there a week early.

Kokoloko said:

Yes but now they are giving fans and potential future fans an option to play there games elsewhere. And dont need to bother buying a PS at all.

Tired of this argument lol, Ive seen it with my own eyes with both Xbox and PS, where fans have moved to PC or when they use to own both they dont bother buying PS5/Xbox anymore.

Theres a thread on the other forum, some of those PC fans use to be Xbox fans, but say they no longer need to own an Xbox.

Theres many comments online now that say they just wait till the game is on PC when it comes to PS5 games. Thats already a 30% going to Steam. I know people who have just moved on to PC.

Nintendo knows better, PS knew better. If day and day games happen with PC, it will be the worst move PS has ever done

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The migration will be really noticeable during the PS6 gen. It looks like the PS6 will end up being a hybrid handheld like the Switch if PS goes day 1 PC there dead just get a PC or a Steamdeck 2 & get Xbox & PS games day 1 in 1 platform. Even if the games go 1 to 2 years later people have no issue waiting when on PC or Steamdeck you don’t have to spend $80 per year on a online subscription & spend $70 on singleplayer games PS games that get ported can usually be bought in a deep discount day 1 for $40 to $50 I mainly play PS on console but I got Helldivers 2 on PC & it was like $25/$30 discount on PC then $40 on PS.

Also the power gap will become less & less w each generation & Nintendo power gap w get closer to PS so why continue buying a PS console w they don’t have exclusive they get ported to PC & Nintendo power gap allow them to play the same 3rd party & they have true exclusive.

Also if the power gap becomes less & less w each generation PS in a way will get behind w PC in power making these PC ports the definitive way to play PS games at high performance just like if Nintendo whos leans to lower performance where to port there games to PC. PS future is handheld which I believe they’ll follow Nintendo after the success of the Switch.

It’s also not just performance but content because you can mod PS games on PC you get more content, rn PC players are modding a horror survival mode or some like it on TLOU 1 remake on PC they also modded a 1st person mode for TLOU & returnal on PC got a VR mode & I expect more PS games that get ported to get these VR modes while the PS home consoles don’t get such feature/content.

It’s a slap on the face for fans & a slap in the face for Sony because they aren’t going to get more money there just trading the money they would make 100% on PSN for 70% on PC benefiting there competitors devaluing your consoles & ability to compete w other platform/storefront. MS is probably smiling that PS is following there strategy degrading there console as much as possible you see it now how Xbox is trying push the exclusive is anti consumer games should be everywhere narrative a degrading & devaluing of PS consoles & lessening of exclusive benefits MS/Xbox, Steam, Nintendo & Apple all closed platforms w true exclusive in the long run anyways. Why doesn’t Steam release CSGO, DOTA etc on consoles or PS consoles because it would degrade/devalue there storefront/platform. Even Apple has exclusive mobile games that don’t show up & don’t get ported to other platforms there games are exclusive to there Apple Arcade

Banana said:

Playstation will be fine as it's the defactp home console. As long as people keep buying consoles, it will be fine.

People on here are already making the cost argument. Not everyone has the money or cares enough about gaming to buy a good PC.

MS isn't going to buy Valve.

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Is PS really the defacto home consoles. When Nintendo is selling 40+ million more consoles then PS & as the power gap gets smaller Nintendo consoles will be able to play most if not all the 3rd party games PS does. Mainline Fromsoft games mainline Persona games mainline Final Fantasy mainline Monster Hunter games mainline Resident Evil games mainline COD games will be playable on Switch 2 not sure why people dismiss Nintendo existence. Nintendo sells more consoles sells more games & has true exclusive.

People also acting like you have to get a $1500 PC to play PS games on PC you don’t you can get a Steamdeck for $400 & even if you argue performance Steamdeck 2 will have performance similar to PS5 for a price of $500. Really think to yourself if a PS gamer will continue to stick to PS if the PS6 is a handheld hybrid price at $500 w performance of a PS5 essentially a native PS5 on the go handheld & pay $70 games, pay $80 online subscription both prices that can be increase at a later date or buy a Steamdeck 2 that has the same performance & price of a PS6 but get to play Xbox games day 1, PS games 1-2 year later at deep discount also don’t have to pay online subscription (& if PS goes day 1 PC even better for PC & Steamdeck players) & get to play the exclusive PC games that don’t release on PS & technically play Nintendo games by nefarious ways really why continue buying PS consoles ever again long term your saving a ton of $ if you go PC or Steamdeck. Also looks like PS will bring a PS storefront to PC, trophies & probably allow you to connect your PSN on PC.

People really underestimating PC/Steamdeck & Nintendo when there platforms rn & in the future looks a lot better then PS while offering more exclusive games & games in general then PS I’m just saying people said the same MS wouldn’t buy Zenimax & they did no one had ABK as a potential acquisition & MS bought them. I would not hold & say MS won’t buy Steam knowing they have the cash do so at anytime. Steam who holds a strong & better position in gaming then Xbox & can be argue Steam holds a stronger & better position in gaming then PS. Xbox is pushing 3rd party probably to continue consolidation & Steam was in there list of potential acquisition.

I'm pretty sure the mid-gen consoles exist specifically to prevent bleeding users to the PC market during that generation's final years, which is pretty much what happened in 2011-2012 when we could build a $300 PC that would already be faster than the PS3 and X360.

Unfortunately, crypto-booms have thrown a wrench into the PC dGPU market so GPUs are still a lot more expensive than they should have been and now AI is taking all the waffers, so it's possible we'll get to 2028 without being able to make a cheap PC that outperforms the consoles.


I do get that the PS5 Pro is being released nonetheless, but it wouldn't be surprising had Sony (like Microsoft) decided to cancel the mid-gen this time around.

ToTTenTranz said:

I'm pretty sure the mid-gen consoles exist specifically to prevent bleeding users to the PC market during that generation's final years, which is pretty much what happened in 2011-2012 when we could build a $300 PC that would already be faster than the PS3 and X360.

Unfortunately, crypto-booms have thrown a wrench into the PC dGPU market so GPUs are still a lot more expensive than they should have been and now AI is taking all the waffers, so it's possible we'll get to 2028 without being able to make a cheap PC that outperforms the consoles.


I do get that the PS5 Pro is being released nonetheless, but it wouldn't be surprising had Sony (like Microsoft) decided to cancel the mid-gen this time around.

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ToTTenTranz said:

I'm pretty sure the mid-gen consoles exist specifically to prevent bleeding users to the PC market during that generation's final years, which is pretty much what happened in 2011-2012 when we could build a $300 PC that would already be faster than the PS3 and X360.

Unfortunately, crypto-booms have thrown a wrench into the PC dGPU market so GPUs are still a lot more expensive than they should have been and now AI is taking all the waffers, so it's possible we'll get to 2028 without being able to make a cheap PC that outperforms the consoles.


I do get that the PS5 Pro is being released nonetheless, but it wouldn't be surprising had Sony (like Microsoft) decided to cancel the mid-gen this time around.

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I don’t get why PS is making a PS5 pro the whole reason for a pro was to make less gamer’s transition to PC but it’s clear w PS porting there games to PC that they don’t care if you transition & migrate to PC soo like why would a console gamer buy a $600 PS5 pro instead of investing that money on a PC or other device like Steamdeck/Rog ally that allows you to play PS games & other games on the go hell now because PS games go to PC you might open your horizons & look to explore other consoles w true exclusive games like Nintendo Switch which is $300 to $400.

I think the PS5 pro will sell worse then PS4 pro mainly due to PS games being ported & playable on other “better” platforms at a cheaper price long term, unless PS has a crazy marketing deal w GTA6 & the PS5 pro allows you to play at 40 fps making it the only place for 1 to 2 years to play GTA6 at a better performance then any other platform. I think PS5 pro will sell 7 million consoles 7 million less then the 14 million PS4 pro, all PS5 pro sold at profit

Neversummer said:

I don’t get why PS is making a PS5 pro the whole reason for a pro was to make less gamer’s transition to PC but it’s clear w PS porting there games to PC that they don’t care if you transition & migrate to PC (...)

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I'm not sure I get your point, but Sony is only selling their big AAA single-player games on PC after 2 years of PS5 exclusivity, which is when their sales on PS5 would be residual anyways.
I'm not sure if that deters gamers from buying a PS5 or if it actually pushes them to buy the PS5 so they can play the sequel faster.

The only games being sold day one on PC are the live service ones like Helldivers 2. In that case it makes sense to do a simultaneous release because the success of a live service game depends directly on how big the community is.

Neversummer said:

I think the PS5 pro will sell worse then PS4 pro mainly due to PS games being ported & playable on other “better” platforms at a cheaper price long term

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The PS5 Pro this time will be the only mid-gen console on the market, so it'll get a lot of sales from people who would otherwise buy a Series X^2.
At the same time, a 60CU RDNA3/4 console will be completely unmatched in price/performance against any PC solution. We're talking RX 7700XT performance (probably higher on raytracing) which costs $430 alone, but on a console that will cost $600 or less.

Jim Ryan : PC is our competitor

Also Jim Ryan : in order to make our platform competitive with ongoing pc hardware development were making PS5 Pro so our userbase dont migrate to PC

Also Jim Ryan : its not mandatory for you to buy PS5 cos were porting more of our games to PC you can play those game elsewhere

I still don't understand why Rift Apart was ever ported, whoever idea that was is a grade A idiot

Airbus said:

Jim Ryan : PC is our competitor

Also Jim Ryan : in order to make our platform competitive with ongoing pc hardware development were making PS5 Pro so our userbase dont migrate to PC

Also Jim Ryan : its not mandatory for you to buy PS5 cos were porting more of our games to PC you can play those game elsewhere

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Well.. Jim Ryan did get the boot...

JAHGamer said:

I still don't understand why Rift Apart was ever ported, whoever idea that was is a grade A idiot

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you guys led me to believe that PS5 version uniquely loads fast. but I just checked it out on my mid-range ASUS laptop loading off the exact same nvme I put in my PS5. it's just as quick. no loading screens, etc.

flaccidsnake said:

you guys led me to believe that PS5 version uniquely loads fast. but I just checked it out on my mid-range ASUS laptop loading off the exact same nvme I put in my PS5. it's just as quick. no loading screens, etc.

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When did I ever make that claim?

Banana said:

Of course gamers with more money will go to PC if they haven't already.

Console is great for lower income people, casuals, or those that think PCs are too difficult.

Nintendo games are on PC as well, and that hasn't hurt them, even when the games release there a week early.

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Are you purposefully being dense?

"Nintendo games are on PC as well", not legally they are. So those PC gamers accessing the games are pirating them, and steal them for illegal play via emulators like Yuzu. Whom Nintendo is suing, BTW

"Console is great for lower income people" like most PC gamers aren't running on integrated graphics.

If gamers with more money go to PC, why are the highest ARPU spenders in the industry when it comes to B2P software & add-on content, on console and mobile? Why aren't they on PC? Is it perhaps your points are being pulled out of thin air?

I would wager that yes, they are.

....also @Neversummer Microsoft is not buying Steam ever. Regulators would shut that down swiftly. Steam has over 80% of the storefront market on PC, as a (natural) monopoly. No company can sweep in and buy that type of market share.

Valve would have to bleed significant share of the market on PC to get Steam around a point Microsoft of all companies could legally buy them with regulatory approval. And by then, it likely wouldn't be worth buying.

thicc_girls_are_teh_best said:

....also @Neversummer Microsoft is not buying Steam ever. Regulators would shut that down swiftly. Steam has over 80% of the storefront market on PC, as a (natural) monopoly. No company can sweep in and buy that type of market share.

Valve would have to bleed significant share of the market on PC to get Steam around a point Microsoft of all companies could legally buy them with regulatory approval. And by then, it likely wouldn't be worth buying.

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Eh never say never, Valve is an acquisition target for MS, Gaben is a former MS employee, and he does shill for Xbox on occasion. I wouldn't completely rule it out, especially if they grossly overpay like they did with ABK. Also, even with a monopoly, Valve isn't a publicly traded company, so there is a greater chance regulators would be ok with it. Private companies have less moving parts involved and are a lot less scrutinized

flaccidsnake said:

This is fine because consoles are low margin, risky hardware and Playstation wants to make more money by growing their first party with multiplatforms like computers. In the past, Sony used first party to "popularize the console", but times have changed.

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Bigger,much bigger margin than PC.
All the ports except Hell Divers 2(which is young and could change) sold substantially higher on PlayStation consoles.

JAHGamer said:

Eh never say never, Valve is an acquisition target for MS, Gaben is a former MS employee, and he does shill for Xbox on occasion. I wouldn't completely rule it out, especially if they grossly overpay like they did with ABK. Also, even with a monopoly, Valve isn't a publicly traded company, so there is a greater chance regulators would be ok with it. Private companies have less moving parts involved and are a lot less scrutinized

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I'm saying legally, it cannot happen unless Steam falls significantly in market share. Regulators have no issue with naturally-gained monopolies that are the result of fair market competition. But a company with very small market share in a sector buying their way to a monopoly share of the market? They can't turn a blind eye to that no matter how much money or favors are passed under the table.

It also doesn't matter if Valve's public or private; the fact they own Steam is the only relevant point to regulators, alongside the fact Steam has at least 85% of the gaming storefront market on PC. Microsoft already own the largest OS on PC with a monopoly share (Windows), and they were sued for antitrust in the '90s for attempting to leverage Windows as a distribution platform to weaken and lock out competitors of various products to their own, such as Netscape (when MS was trying to make Internet Explorer the #1 browser in the '90s).

That stuff hasn't suddenly been forgotten about, nor MS's various infractions/violations of agreed-upon concessions for prior M&As (that they've paid fines for). Also, their actions following the Zenimax & ABK acquisitions will be used as evidence (for and, mostly, against) in any attempt to buy Valve. MS making that move would be incredibly scrutinized simply on grounds of how dominant Steam is on PC.

Banana said:

Nintendo games are on PC as well, and that hasn't hurt them, even when the games release there a week early.

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What are you on about lol… Your…. Bananas lol

PlacidusaX said:

Bigger,much bigger margin than PC.
All the ports except Hell Divers 2(which is young and could change) sold substantially higher on PlayStation consoles.

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What a sad person comparing catalog releases to day one. You think Disney putting out Toy Story on 4k Blu-ray is gonna sell better than the 1995 opening weekend. Don't be foolish.