Ampere Analysis / Console Sales: PS5 (21.7 million), Xbox Series X|S (13.8 million)

[Kokoloko]

Yep, both are good points. They are (barely) outselling their past consoles with primarily a console that is $100 cheaper. And that is after they have spent nearly $80 billion in acquisitions and have been spending loads of money on Gamepass.

The pre-launch expectations were very different, but I think they overestimated the impact.

Remember how they announced Bethesda's acquisition a day before opening the Series X|S pre-orders? They thought these acquisitions will make all the difference and help them outsell PS5. That didn't happen at all.

Yep.
All these IP, Publisher and studios acquisitions ( which they have spent far more money on, then all the xbox profits combined )
All the investment on gamepass
Cheaper Series S model and still sales aren’t exactly much better than Xbox One which was more expensive and had some bad press.

I think Xbox fans thought this gen was gonna be like how PS4 made a comeback after PS3 and back to the glory days of the 360. I think fans overestimated these purchases and effort into gamepass. Most consumers don’t even know what Gamepass is while playing Fornite on the Switch or PS4.

But the glory days of 360 only happened because it launched a year before PS3, much cheaper, better 3rd party games, much better online infrastructure and taking a bunch of PS centric titles for the first time ( Tekken, DMC, Final Fantasy etc ). These advantages won’t happen again.
I still think PS will sell double Xbox again this gen.

By then the narrative will be console sales don’t matter and its all about gamepass subscription numbers are what matters. The xbox heads and xbot fans both change there tone as soon as its not to their advantage.

Phil Spencer Won't Disclose Xbox Series X|S Sales, Even if it Outsells PS5

Microsoft with the Xbox One quickly after its launch stopped reporting on how well the console was selling, [...]

www.vgchartz.com

Xbox is done divulging console sales numbers

www.destructoid.com

Then when they want to mention it, it matters:

https://comicbook.com/gaming/news/xbox-series-x-s-fastest-selling-consoles-microsoft/

 

[Deleted member 140]

Yep. Agreed. That's the topic of this thread I created earlier: https://icon-era.com/threads/playst...eneration-in-the-next-6-months-heres-why.732/. Sony is building insane momentum. All the chips are falling in the right place for them.

And when Philly boy keeps his promise of not making CoD an Xbox exclusive, I don't see how they can catch up. The Bethesda games will be huge sellers, but I doubt they'll be enough.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

Nope. VGChartz also used the official data, not estimates, so that wasn't wrong either.

Prove it. Show the source for 10.4 million units sold.

Your data = 21 months, 11.6 million units shipped.
My data = 20 months, 10.4 million units sold.

Both data are for 20 months. Counting isn't that hard.

 

[On Demand]

People really thought Xbox sold 16M? Yeah ok.

 

[azertydu91]

Prove it. Show the source for 10.4 million units sold.

Both data are for 20 months. Counting isn't that hard.

Where in your post is it stated that it was for 20 months ?Because adding the sales of two fiscal years does add up to 24 months(12 + 12) so of course comparing it to a 21 months total sales would be lower (substracting a quarter).Here is your post.

Instead of trying to play gotcha, you could simply look into Microsoft's financial reports yourself. You would then realize that the above table is wrong. Or you could just look at the table and see that several stupid mistakes were made just by falsely adding up the numbers (apparently, 8.3 + 0.7 = 8.3 ) Anyway, here's the real number:

So 11.6m consoles in the first 7 quarters. Looks like VGChartz has been "estimating" numbers back then, too.

Note that you are the only one mentionning 7 quarters and that it is not from your source...Because it says both times during fiscal year, implying its entirety.
So you are comparing 8 quarters and don't understand how the number is higher than 7 quarters....

Edit: Of course all that without even mentionning the difference between units shipped and sold through.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

Note that you are the only one mentionning 7 quarters and that it is not from your source...Because it says both times during fiscal year, implying its entirety.
So you are comparing 8 quarters and don't understand how the number is higher than 7 quarters....

It's almost like Xbox 360 sales started in Q2 of FY 2006 and not, as you're implying, in Q1, just as I explained in a later post...

 

[azertydu91]

It's almost like Xbox 360 sales started in Q2 of FY 2006 and not, as you're implying, in Q1, just as I explained in a later post...

Sorry I missed that post, but you missed the rest of my post though.Shipped vs sold through that can be a perfect explanation, unless you believe it was sold out everywhere at that time, but ok let's go with your number of 11.6, is it at 15+ and does that invalidate what Nadella said regarding the article in this thread saying that the XSX/S is at 13.8M?
The answer is not it has only proved @DynamiteCop was wrong by at least 3.4M.

 

[TubzGaming]

Just a friendly reminder if you think you are right please explain why and link to sources.
- I'm right you are wrong is not a valid argument to you're point.
I am enjoying reading everyone's thoughts and opinions.

 

[azertydu91]

Just a friendly reminder if you think you are right please explain why and link to sources.
- I'm right you are wrong is not a valid argument to you're point.
I am enjoying reading everyone's thoughts and opinions.

Well @Bernd Lauert and @Heisenberg007 at least posted the documents we are discussing (even though both have not linked the source).And I don't think any of them is fake just that they are talking about something slightly different that explains the difference in their numbers.So yeah both are arguing that they are right and for a good reason they might both be if one is about sold through and the other shipped.
Maybe a link could help clearing the doubt but I am not sure that in this case the explaination is in the source(remember the old sold through vs shipped that raged on gaf a bit more than 10 years ago and it wasn't always clear on sales reports).

 

[ethomaz]

We have official 360 shipment numbers…

FY          Jl-Sp    Oc-Dc    Ja-Mr    Ap-Jn     FY       LTD

2005/06        -        1.5      1.7      1.8      5.0      5.0

2006/07        1.0      4.4      0.5      0.7      6.6      11.6

That accounts from Nov 2005 to Jun 2007… exactly the same period as Series X 13.8m from Ampere.

Said that MS official numbers are shipment and Ampere I believe is sold thought… that means the Series is yet tracking more than the 2.2m difference showed by these numbers… perhaps around 3 million.

And yes Series is selling at faster pace than 360.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

Sorry I missed that post, but you missed the rest of my post though.Shipped vs sold through that can be a perfect explanation, unless you believe it was sold out everywhere at that time, but ok let's go with your number of 11.6, is it at 15+ and does that invalidate what Nadella said regarding the article in this thread saying that the XSX/S is at 13.8M?
The answer is not it has only proved @DynamiteCop was wrong by at least 3.4M.

I never argued for the 15+ million of sold Xbox 360 consoles. I just pointed out the fact that @Heisenberg007 cherrypicks which VGChartz numbers he wants to use. He still hasn't produced any evidence for the 10.4m sold-through number, despite claiming twice that those are allegedly official numbers.

 

[Vertigo]

VGchartz is bogus but they will go back and adjust when official numbers are presented.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

How is this possible? Must be Sony buying articles.

 

[Dabaus]

Here you go. Another source. @Bernd Lauert @DynamiteCop . Look at the top. "Based on official financial reports."

I'll wait for the apology @DynamiteCop Also, now you should either accept your mistake or present your source for that 15 million number you threw with no data to backup.

So it can be true that the series consoles are the fastest selling xbox while also being at 14 million. Makes sense. Really puts things in perspective.

 

[Dabaus]

Yep.
All these IP, Publisher and studios acquisitions ( which they have spent far more money on, then all the xbox profits combined )
All the investment on gamepass
Cheaper Series S model and still sales aren’t exactly much better than Xbox One which was more expensive and had some bad press.

I think Xbox fans thought this gen was gonna be like how PS4 made a comeback after PS3 and back to the glory days of the 360. I think fans overestimated these purchases and effort into gamepass. Most consumers don’t even know what Gamepass is while playing Fornite on the Switch or PS4.

But the glory days of 360 only happened because it launched a year before PS3, much cheaper, better 3rd party games, much better online infrastructure and taking a bunch of PS centric titles for the first time ( Tekken, DMC, Final Fantasy etc ). These advantages won’t happen again.
I still think PS will sell double Xbox again this gen.

By then the narrative will be console sales don’t matter and its all about gamepass subscription numbers are what matters. The xbox heads and xbot fans both change there tone as soon as its not to their advantage.

Phil Spencer Won't Disclose Xbox Series X|S Sales, Even if it Outsells PS5

Microsoft with the Xbox One quickly after its launch stopped reporting on how well the console was selling, [...]

www.vgchartz.com

Xbox is done divulging console sales numbers

www.destructoid.com

Then when they want to mention it, it matters:

https://comicbook.com/gaming/news/xbox-series-x-s-fastest-selling-consoles-microsoft/

Ill just say it, Bethesda is over rated and wont make a difference. All the other studios they bought are rubbish at best, COD is remaining multiplatfrom, and game pass is a bargain bin indie trash can. Sure the investment themselves are impressive but when actually analyze what your getting it isnt great. Starfield looked like a ps3 game, frame rates and all.

 

[azertydu91]

I never argued for the 15+ million of sold Xbox 360 consoles. I just pointed out the fact that @Heisenberg007 cherrypicks which VGChartz numbers he wants to use. He still hasn't produced any evidence for the 10.4m sold-through number, despite claiming twice that those area allegedly official numbers.

Oh then I am glad that you agree with ampere then...Unless you have evidence that they are wrong.And he has provided the numbers with that VGchart link but if you think that is unreliable, they also provided the 15M for the XSX/S.It's ampere that is saying it is lower, so either you believe vg chartz over Ampere and Xbox 360 was at around 10M and xsxs at around 15M or the other part that seems to coincide with your number and x360 vas at more than 11M and the xsxs at around 13.8M.
Because otherwise you are cherrypicking what to pick from VGchartz.
Otherwise do you have to proof that ampere is lowballing its estimation?

 

[Heisenberg007]

So it can be true that the series consoles are the fastest selling xbox while also being at 14 million. Makes sense. Really puts things in perspective.

Yep.

 

[Heisenberg007]

Well @Bernd Lauert and @Heisenberg007 at least posted the documents we are discussing (even though both have not linked the source).And I don't think any of them is fake just that they are talking about something slightly different that explains the difference in their numbers.So yeah both are arguing that they are right and for a good reason they might both be if one is about sold through and the other shipped.
Maybe a link could help clearing the doubt but I am not sure that in this case the explaination is in the source(remember the old sold through vs shipped that raged on gaf a bit more than 10 years ago and it wasn't always clear on sales reports).

I never argued for the 15+ million of sold Xbox 360 consoles. I just pointed out the fact that @Heisenberg007 cherrypicks which VGChartz numbers he wants to use. He still hasn't produced any evidence for the 10.4m sold-through number, despite claiming twice that those are allegedly official numbers.

FYI - For the sake of finishing that argument (and because it's a working day!), I actually conceded and accepted Bernd's numbers for 11.6 million because that also proved my point.

 

[Heisenberg007]

Just a friendly reminder if you think you are right please explain why and link to sources.
- I'm right you are wrong is not a valid argument to you're point.
I am enjoying reading everyone's thoughts and opinions.

Agreed, and I have done just that.

@DynamiteCop on the other hand claimed 15+ million units without any link or source, called people here clowns, and ran away without apologizing when I presented further sources. I am still expecting an apology or a link to his source. Failing that, action from the mods.

 

[Vertigo]

When hasn’t dynamite cop been full of shit?