I see the point of Bungie checking on the online games, but i still don't like it? Feels wrong to me.
An Official Message From Naughty Dog About Factions 2 & Their Next Unannounced Games
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Game in development hell since 2019. The Bloomberg guy said the team was scaled back significantly and all of ND moved to work on their next single player project.Sony already shown in the past a roadmap for first year after the Bungie acquisition, and one of the things that Bungie was going to do was to review the PS Studios GaaS titles under development sharing with them their expertise and experience.
The message in the OP is very clear, there is an official message explaining that they need extra time, so delayed it. Which it's a fact that shows that they didn't cancel it. Only delayed it, something common in game development.
So makes sense to think that, as the Bloomberg article says, as part of their review Bungie asked them to improve certain GaaS specific stuff. And they need time to make these changes, additions and improvements.
And while some people redesign and implement these parts, some other folks will temporally work in other ND projects. Nothing rare or bad, it's common stuff. Most games have changes and delays.
Makes more sense than to think that evil Jimbo and Hermen have a secret conspiracy in the shadow and want to lie to players, saying that the game has been delayed when the reality is that it has been cancelled.
But well, it doesn't suprise me after seeing many anti-Sony/Jimbo/Hermen hate and conspiracy theory messages, that often are made rejecting clear facts as their own statements or numbers. Chill, guys.
"game needs time" means shelved for now and we might comeback to it later. Game is dead. Get over it
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Destiny 1 - 75 META, 6.1 user score. Destiny 2 - 85 META, 4.0 user core.
Folks overblowing Bungie's potential role and say in anything regarding quality. They're not up there with Naughty Dog in the slightest in that regard.
They however know how to exploit human dopamine like the best, and stick to Fist Person Shooters for a reason. ND would probably learn more about the experiences of the Division devs than Bungie strictly speaking or Epic's Fornite.
Guerrila with midzone on the other hand. Lot to learn from Bungie, specially fanboy Hermen.
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They should hire Bonnie Ross for some PM expertise.
All that for 350k sales, a couple of million of illegal downloads, some heavily discounted sales in the future, setting things up for a multiplayer that might not release, reducing the incentive for people to invest into the PS5 ecosystem.
I'm done with Jimbo and Hermen, they fucked it up completely.
Doesn't sound like they are reviewing gameplay so much, but how these games are actually being treated as a service.
Desiny 1 was treated harshly on release. It had much better gunplay and much more modes and variety than Battleifled 4 and Cod Ghost that same year and alot less bugs than Battlefield 4 but it was reviewed much harsher than both games
You can't use metacritic scores to judge GaaS. Sony will need to learn that or they might arrive to incorrect conclusions.
It set a new record for a season launch today. There’s a reason Bungie is acting as producer essentially and greenlighting these games. But let’s ignore how D2 never left XBL top 10 since Lightfall launched or how absolutely dominant it’s been for 10 years.
You do not want Redfall and halo infinite level disasters. That’s worse. Redfall dropped out of top 50 on XBL being the number one promoted gamepass game in less than a month. A premiere gamespass release… dead in less than 30 days. Halo is competing with PUBG and battlefront 2 … on its own home platform.
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As someone that has 200 hrs on each game I think I've had my fill of the gameplay loop. Destiny with 2 accounts even. Plats/100% to go along with it. - until I quit obviously cause, well, gaming goes beyond a single game, GAAS, 10 year plan or not.
Unless you're suggesting somehow that Factions gameplay loop is somehow flawed compared to Destiny's core gameplay loop? It's because the Factions gameplay loop is so good that it's being considered for a standalone GAAS. Maybe you've not played Factions? To understand the difference between the two?
The thing that makes a GAAS have long legs has a lot to do with everything that's wrapped around the core gameplay loop and how the dopamine fix is administered - how reward for work aka the payoff is managed - what is given, what is withheld, when to release new content, when not to, what to include and what not to include. Weapon rarity - exotics, rare etc... all the little things that make you play more despite being completely irrelevant big scheme except "END GAME CONTENT" dopamine engages quick and suddenly you "must have this exotic, with these armor rolls, and must have this power level and wait for Xur".... It's the model that's more important to carry the game long term. The gameplay loop is a starting course minimum.
And again, Destiny 2 was on the ropes until it went F2P and the PC crowd revitalized the community - specially in the influencer streaming business of Youtube/Twitch. Let nobody tell you different cause the Destiny 1 - Destiny 2 transition almost killed them.
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Well saidIt set a new record for a season launch today. There’s a reason Bungie is acting as producer essentially and greenlighting these games. But let’s ignore how D2 never left XBL top 10 since Lightfall launched or how absolutely dominant it’s been for 10 years.
You do not want Redfall and halo infinite level disasters. That’s worse. Redfall dropped out of top 50 on XBL being the number one promoted gamepass game in less than a month. A premiere gamespass release… dead in less than 30 days.
I think there are a lot of intangibles to multiplayer success that simply are very hard to describe. They've been doing it successfully for 20 years
If Bungie sits you down and tells you your MP game needs work then you go to work improving it
Same as if you went to Naughty Dog for animation expertise or SSM for combat expertise
Sony's first party success has been built on the back of sharing expertise. This is no different
No I am suggesting that Destiny and constant content updates, it has yearly expansions, it has a huge amount of work put into it
If Bungie asks how you plan to keep players engaged, they are asking how you plan to treat it as a service not whether your shooting feels good
Well, they paid more than $3.7B for it better be doing damn well.It set a new record for a season launch today. There’s a reason Bungie is acting as producer essentially and greenlighting these games. But let’s ignore how D2 never left XBL top 10 since Lightfall launched or how absolutely dominant it’s been for 10 years.
You do not want Redfall and halo infinite level disasters. That’s worse. Redfall dropped out of top 50 on XBL being the number one promoted gamepass game in less than a month. A premiere gamespass release… dead in less than 30 days. Halo is competing with PUBG and battlefront 2 … on its own home platform.
Reads like a Bethesda/Microsoft Twitter statement 
This is actually a good point. Hell, it'd of also required a lot less in spending to do so. They could've tried a Fall Guys-like game with PS mascot characters, or I don't know, PvP Kissing Booth Simulator. Dumb quirky stuff like that, Wallpaper Simulator, Among Us etc. are huge on PC specifically because they're unique and aren't trying to go after Counterstrike, LOL or Valorant's heads.
Sony could've simply done quirky GaaS versions of some of that stuff to test the waters, and have stuff for all three platforms (PS, PC, mobile), watch it grow and then invest more. It seems more and more that with the live-service/GaaS push they are starting too big too quickly.
This is actually a good point. Hell, it'd of also required a lot less in spending to do so. They could've tried a Fall Guys-like game with PS mascot characters, or I don't know, PvP Kissing Booth Simulator. Dumb quirky stuff like that, Wallpaper Simulator, Among Us etc. are huge on PC specifically because they're unique and aren't trying to go after Counterstrike, LOL or Valorant's heads.
Sony could've simply done quirky GaaS versions of some of that stuff to test the waters, and have stuff for all three platforms (PS, PC, mobile), watch it grow and then invest more. It seems more and more that with the live-service/GaaS push they are starting too big too quickly.
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