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[anonpuffs]

Rasterization is only one of the many utilities of a modern GPU

It's still the main determinant of framerate.

 

[rinzler]

You've posted a chart for native 4k. The console will be a reconstructed 4k.

So then not 4K

That reconstructed crap gets thrown around too commonly with the terminology of 4K without a heap of asterisks attached to it.

Straight out of the Phil Spencer playback of "True 4K" lmao.

 

[Shmunter]

So then not 4K

That reconstructed crap gets thrown around too commonly with the terminology of 4K without a heap of asterisks attached to it.

Straight out of the Phil Spencer playback of "True 4K" lmao.

Games are all smoke and mirrors. Realtime rendering pulls all manner of tricks. And in this year of our lord - that also applies to native pixel counts. They lack relevance apart from benchmarking, the visual end result is what matters in the real world.

 

[Shmunter]

It's still the main determinant of framerate.

And easiest to compensate for by simple rez adjustments. Either in Realtime with dynamic rez and/or with reconstruction.

 

[rinzler]

Games are all smoke and mirrors. Realtime rendering pulls all manner of tricks. And in this year of our lord - that also applies to native pixel counts. They lack relevance apart from benchmarking, the visual end result is what matters in the real world.

Well where I reside (the real world) truthful information matters.

Reconstructed 4K =/= 4K and too many people are recklessly trying to blur the lines as if they don't require delineation.

Hardware rendering a scene at 4K 120 FPS is impressive, hardware rendering 1080p with 4x reconstruction at 120 FPS is not.

 

[Shmunter]

Well where I reside (the real world) truthful information matters.

Reconstructed 4K =/= 4K

You'd play the game native 4k on 4090 at sub 60 -or- reconstruct the 4k for much better performance and/or higher visual settings?

Why are you arguing such a futile point - no a mass market console will not beat a 4090 head to head in case that is your point.

 

[PlacidusaX]

But it's not 3x. Dual issue has to be specifically accounted for and it won't. Using proper math, it's a 62% ISH percentage increase in "raw power", which matters fuck all because bandwidth has not increased 62%. I'm much more interested in knowing how big each cache is, type of caches, and their upscaling technique.

It's still 16.74TF no matter how much you squirm, just because people want to buy I to marketing bullshit it doesn't matter.

Never read a thing about a dual issue till here today lolz

 

[PlacidusaX]

That has absolutely nothing to do with what we're talking about. You guys are trailing off into a land of fantasy and it's going to bite you in the rear.

As mentioned before how did AMD RPM pan out for games? Oh yeah, that was in the PS4 Pro marketing buzz and would you look at that...

Nothing.

You're getting a $500-$600 box, understand where that resides and stop trying to rationalize your way to it being a 4090 competitor, it's ridiculous.

The insecurities are real

 

[PlacidusaX]

You'd play the game native 4k on 4090 at sub 60 -or- reconstruct the 4k for much better performance and/or higher visual settings?

Why are you arguing such a futile point - no a mass market console will not beat a 4090 head to head in case that is your point.

All the time on PC. They make excuses but fake is fake.

 

[anonpuffs]

Well where I reside (the real world) truthful information matters.

Reconstructed 4K =/= 4K and too many people are recklessly trying to blur the lines as if they don't require delineation.

Hardware rendering a scene at 4K 120 FPS is impressive, hardware rendering 1080p with 4x reconstruction at 120 FPS is not.

depending on how good the reconstruction is, 1080p reconstructed to 4k could be pretty impressive

 

[ethomaz]

Just remember…

DLSS to have quality uses 1440p to reach 4k.
1080p to 4k is used in DLSS performance that is imo crap.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Well where I reside (the real world) truthful information matters.

Reconstructed 4K =/= 4K and too many people are recklessly trying to blur the lines as if they don't require delineation.

Hardware rendering a scene at 4K 120 FPS is impressive, hardware rendering 1080p with 4x reconstruction at 120 FPS is not.

"Where you reside" is a Redmond campus having rooftop parties in office spaces doing cartwheels for Developer Directs.

Most likely

 

[Johnic]

I hope this thing is a beast just to see the pcmr crowd squirm. A few if them here already are.

 

[Fenton]

I hope this thing is a beast just to see the pcmr crowd squirm. A few if them here already are.

The PC and Xbox fanboys are only talking about the small 10% CPU bump. They don't want to talk about the significant GPU and Ray Tracing upgrade.

 

[Darth Vader]

So then not 4K

That reconstructed crap gets thrown around too commonly with the terminology of 4K without a heap of asterisks attached to it.

Straight out of the Phil Spencer playback of "True 4K" lmao.

What are you talking about? Reconstructed 4k is still 4k, just like heavily compressed 4k video is still 4k.

 

[PlacidusaX]

I hope this thing is a beast just to see the pcmr crowd squirm. A few if them here already are.

Sure are lmao!

The attacks on the new PlayStation made AI upscaling tech is hilarious especially when everyone of them uses DLSS on PC.

The tech is intriguing for tech enthusiasts like myself.

 

[panda-zebra]

Well where I reside (the real world) truthful information matters.
Reconstructed 4K =/= 4K and too many people are recklessly trying to blur the lines as if they don't require delineation.

Those reckless internet rapscallions! Sweet Liberty, whoever might stop them?!

That reconstructed crap gets thrown around too commonly with the terminology of 4K without a heap of asterisks attached to it.
Straight out of the Phil Spencer playback of "True 4K" lmao.

Thanks for taking the time out from your busy schedule crammed with all that 4090/5K HMD/Blender design/Unity dev action to grace us with yet more astute observations...

Also, this you?

The current one [ps5] seems fine to me, with the introduction of things like FSR3 and the like I really don't see the point.

It's simple really, rendering technologies such as DLSS and FSR have started to become so good that the traditional native resolutions don't need to be even remotely targeted anymore.

You can get near native render quality for half the rendering cost

So to recap...ps5 base is "fine", there's "no point" to a Pro because current image reconstruction techniques are already good enough and systems can get near native render quality for half the rendering cost, but a day later when you want to win an argument on the internet it's all "reconstructed crap"...

For someone who resides in "the real world", apparently a place "where truthful information matters" you seem to be troubled with some level of internal conflict and selective truth depending upon who you're currently bickering with.

Your whole MO looks more sus by the day. By the post.

 

[Gediminas]

Those reckless internet rapscallions! Sweet Liberty, whoever might stop them?!

Thanks for taking the time out from your busy schedule crammed with all that 4090/5K HMD/Blender design/Unity dev action to grace us with yet more astute observations...

Also, this you?

So to recap...ps5 base is "fine", there's "no point" to a Pro because current image reconstruction techniques are already good enough and systems can get near native render quality for half the rendering cost, but a day later when you want to win an argument on the internet it's all "reconstructed crap"...

For someone who resides in "the real world", apparently a place "where truthful information matters" you seem to be troubled with some level of internal conflict and selective truth depending upon who you're currently bickering with.

Your whole MO looks more sus by the day. By the post.

Wow, you tore him new asshole

 

[panda-zebra]

Wow, you tore him new asshole

If that means we'll now be subjected to twice the shit I apologise in advance.

 

[Gediminas]

If that means we'll now be subjected to twice the shit I apologise in advance.