Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth had 2nd biggest PS5 launch in Japan only behind FF16! Launch Sales (physical) - 262, 656

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The problem is that while Capcom has been able to appeal to a more global audience.
FF is losing JP sales compared to PS3/PS4 but not really gaining the proper amount of sales through the rest of the world.
If that's the case then they should do the same as capcom an appeal to the more global audience with more of their franchises.

The other problem with SE is they rely too much on FF and quality of their other franchises isn't great.
 

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I mean, all we have are the trackers, we either rely on Famitsu numbers or we don't.
I don't think Famitsu is wrong about their physical sales estimates... it just that Square Enix didn't split the shipment and digital from these 1 million.
And Famitsu % on shelves is pretty bad... same about Famitsu digital estimates.
They are not reliable like Famitsu physical data.
 

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6: 1.154.360
7: 2.034.879
8: 2.504.044
9: 1.954.421
10: 1.749.737
12: 1.840.397
13: 1.516.532
15: 716.649
7R: 702.853
16: 336.027

Understood?

You have to twist the knife deeper.

Let's compare Rebirth with the sequels in the FF catalogue.

Final Fantasy X-2 [PS2] - 1.472.914 / 1.960.937

Final Fantasy XIII-2 [PS3] - 605.660 / 917.412
Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII [PS3] - 301.181 / 427.498
 
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I thought it would beat 16 TBH, with the amazing reviews ans everything.

Hope it has a long tail and Sony need to get those PS5's out there and sold.
They need to do more advertisement. Stuff like Yakuza, TOTK and Street Fighter 6 had way better advertisement here.
I dont understand why they dont advertise big with something like FF7R, its a once in a life time opportunity
 
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People are blaming exclusivity but this is Japan. Xbox wouldnt help whatsoever and switch would limit the scope of the game would essentially be an HD remaster of the origianl. IDK what the PC scene is like in Japan but it being exclusive to PS5 isnt the problem here. IDK what is or how to solve it but its not being exclusive that is the problem.
 

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6: 1.154.360
7: 2.034.879
8: 2.504.044
9: 1.954.421
10: 1.749.737
12: 1.840.397
13: 1.516.532
15: 716.649
7R: 702.853
16: 336.027

Understood?
Is this release day numbers? What kind of funny shit is this telling ff in decline based on opening days number?

You need to check those latest number

Final fantasy 14 aprox 24.000.0000 copy
Final fantasy 7 aprox 14.900.000 copy
Final fantasy 8 aprox 12.000.000 copy
Final fantasy 15 aprox 10.000.000 copy
Final fantasy 9 aprox 8.900.000 copy

Meanwhile the older final fantasy game

Final fantasy 3 aprox 5.900.000 copy
Final fantasy 4 aprox aprox 4.600.000 copy
Final fantasy 5 aprox 3.900.000 copy

How can ff in decline when it selling more?

Logic = failed🤣🤣🤣
 

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You have to twist the knife deeper.

Let's compare Rebirth with the sequels in the FF catalogue.

Final Fantasy X-2 [PS2] - 1.472.914 / 1.960.937

Final Fantasy XIII-2 [PS3] - 605.660 / 917.412
Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII [PS3] - 301.181 / 427.498
You can twist more... look at that TOP 10 JRPG sellers in Japan from recente releases.

When ever FF was compared with Tales of or Persona in sales?

Dragon Quest XI* - 950.338
Final Fantasy XV - 716.649
Final Fantasy VII Remake - 702.853
Kingdom Hearts III - 640.406
Dragon Quest Heroes - 566.569
Dragon Quest Heroes II - 381.928
Persona 5 - 344.854
Final Fantasy XVI - 336.027
Tales of Arise - 201.798
Persona 5 Royal - 201.448
 

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Is this release day numbers? What kind of funny shit is this telling ff in decline based on opening days number?

You need to check those latest number

Final fantasy 14 aprox 24.000.0000 copy
Final fantasy 7 aprox 14.900.000 copy
Final fantasy 8 aprox 12.000.000 copy
Final fantasy 15 aprox 10.000.000 copy
Final fantasy 9 aprox 8.900.000 copy

Meanwhile the older final fantasy game

Final fantasy 3 aprox 5.900.000 copy
Final fantasy 4 aprox aprox 4.600.000 copy
Final fantasy 5 aprox 3.900.000

How can ff in decline when it selling more?

Logic = failed🤣🤣🤣
They are all famitsu week one sales... yes.
And it doesn't include re-re-re-releases like your numbers.
 
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They are all famitsu week one sales... yes.
And it doesn't include re-re-re-releases like your numbers.

Huge decline.
Those are not rereleases

And youre already funny judging ff in decline just based on a week one numbers

Just admited youre wrong and move on from this stupid argument
 

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Those are not rereleases

And youre already funny judging ff in decline just based on a week one numbers

Just admited youre wrong and move on from this stupid argument
You want lifetimes sales numbers? I give it to you:

5: 2.450.000
6: 2.550.000
7: 3.277.291
8: 3.501.588
9: 2.707.301
10: 2.323.463
12: 2.322.329
13: 1.905.979
15: 1.033.754
7R: 949.379
16: 429.330

Huge decline.

How I'm wrong if it is impossible not to see the decline? You really have to be too blind to not see it.
I told the same in FFXVI thread but nobody believed... now the same is pretty clear with FFVII Rebirth and people are still in denial?

I attributed the decline with a sequence of bad FFs... FFXIII and FFXV.... so FFXVI suffered with it and I expected to things got better in the next release after FFXVI because FFXVI was a good game but that didn't happen.

So I was wrong about that... the decline didn't stopped even after FFXVI being a good game.

Rebirth being a masterpiece over 90 metascore will? I have my doubts now.
 

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You want lifetimes sales numbers? I give it to you:

5: 2.450.000
6: 2.550.000
7: 3.277.291
8: 3.501.588
9: 2.707.301
10: 2.323.463
12: 2.322.329
13: 1.905.979
15: 1.033.754
7R: 949.379
16: 429.330

Huge decline.
Your lifetime sales numbers are all wrong

Where are you getting these numbers?

15 lifetime sales only 1.033.754?

10 lifetime sales only 2.322.329 ?

7R lifetime sales only 949.379?

Youre on crack
 
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Your lifetime sales numbers are all wrong

Where are you getting these numbers?

15 lifetime sales only 1.033.754?

10 lifetime sales only 2.322.329 ?

7R lifetime sales only 949.379?

Youre on crack
Yes lifetime physical sales are that (10 didn't even have digital release btw).

Source: Famitsu not mine.
 

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Yes lifetime physical sales are that (10 didn't even have digital release btw).

Source: Famitsu not mine.
So for other games like resident evil, gears of wars, call of duty, halo etc were using global sale numbers but for final fantasy we re only using japan region numbers and make conclusion based from there?

Sounds reasonable

Tell me aside from The Elder Scroll series which other rpg videogame franchise can compete with those Final Fantasy numbers
 
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Who knows the install base at the time of both releases, those things really do matter.
 

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So for other games like resident evil, gears of wars, call of duty, halo etc were using global sale numbers but for final fantasy we re only using japan region numbers and make conclusion based from there?

Sounds reasonable
This is a famitsu thread, I wonder why we're discussing Japanese sales? I can't figure it out.
 

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This is a famitsu thread, I wonder why we're discussing Japanese sales? I can't figure it out.
This ethomaz guy has been perpetually telling everyone here that final fantasy sales in general is in decline ( not just in japan or famitsu thread)
 

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So for other games like resident evil, gears of wars, call of duty, halo etc were using global sale numbers but for final fantasy we re only using japan region numbers and make conclusion based from there?

Sounds reasonable

Tell me aside from The Elder Scroll series which other rpg videogame franchise can compete with those Final Fantasy numbers
I have no ideia what you are doing defense control for :D :D :D

It is all in people faces the series decline.
Imagine thinking a decline from over a million to 200k in the last decade is not enough to be considered decline :D