Former Director Of Business Square Enix Jacob Navok: “Let's be clear- I am not suggesting Xbox sales by themselves can radically change the numbers.”

[Nimrota]

That's not a really good comparison imo. The other guy has to keep paying monthly or he loses his shoes. He also can't trade or sell his shoes. I think you guys may be overselling the impact Gamepass will have on PlayStation.

That's just me personally though. I couldn't care less what that service gets as long as I still get the games I want on my preferred platform. I'm not interested in interpreting everything as a devastating catastrophe.

It's not just about GP though that's just part of the problem. Read what is being said by OP. Games are being marketed towards Xbox, then Playstation fans expected to go out and buy it due to Xbox marketing. That seems to be the business model: scrape as much money from Xbox as possible and expect PS players to continue buying despite giving them nothing.

It's like your wife telling you she's only "chatting" to other men and nothing is going on between them, she's just making you jealous! Just keep giving her money though, because she's really actually into you and tricking the other guy! If he stops paying her he'll revoke his access, oh, wait...

 

[AshHunter216]

It's not just about GP though that's just part of the problem. Read what is being said by OP. Games are being marketed towards Xbox, then Playstation fans expected to go out and buy it due to Xbox marketing. That's Square's business model: scrape as much money from Xbox as possible and expect PS players to continue buying despite giving them nothing.

It's like your wife telling you she's only "chatting" to other men and nothing is going on between them, she's just making you jealous! Just keep giving her money though, because she's really actually into you and tricking the other guy! If he stops paying her he'll revoke his access, oh, wait...

IMO, your take on this is way off from the reality, lol. I'm just not convinced this is bad news or that the doomsday theories are reality.

 

[anonpuffs]

For me it's simple: putting your game on gamepass decreases sales. Even Microsoft says it. At the end of the day, you're sabotaging yourself and the franchise's future for a quick buck up front, which costs more long-term. It damages the health of the games, eventually they stop getting as much budget, care, and attention to them. Plus developing for a single system makes the game's quality higher. If Square is that desperate for money they need to be asking for a buyout from Sony.

 

[Nimrota]

IMO, your take on this is way off from the reality, lol. I'm just not convinced this is bad news or that the doomsday theories are reality.

Well it is my reality. I'm a long time Yakuza fan and then with 7 they said "sorry, next gen is Xbox exclusive." Cheers, thanks for that. But sure, let me chump up $70 (are they $70 yet?) to buy Like a Dragon Infinite Wealth Day 1 while Xbox players get it for free. I'm not sure how anyone with dignity thinks this is a positive arrangement for Playstation at all? They roll out the rug for Xbox, you pay full price and get nothing extra, what is the point of being a Square, Sega, etc customer on PS if this is the arrangement?

 

[AshHunter216]

Well it is my reality. I'm a long time Yakuza fan and then with 7 they said "sorry, next gen is Xbox exclusive." Cheers, thanks for that Square. But sure, let me chump up $70 (are they $70 yet?) to buy Like a Dragon Infinite Wealth Day 1 while Xbox players get it for free. I'm not sure how anyone with dignity thinks this is a positive arrangement for Playstation at all? They roll out the rug for Xbox, you pay full price and get nothing extra, what is the point of being a Square customer on PS if this is the arrangement?

Seems like you guys just look for reasons to have meltdowns and be miserable. If you view Gamepass and the lack over ownership as preferential treatment, go ahead. I'm just laughing at the Xbox fanboys on twitter who are angry about Square saying Xbox people don't buy games and realizing that they likely aren't selling to MS. Continue putting words in my mouth though. I have no interest in arguing over a non-issue like this. This forum has enough of that going on and is getting worse for it.

 

[Nimrota]

Seems like you guys just look for reasons to have meltdowns and be miserable. If you view Gamepass and the lack over ownership as preferential treatment, go ahead. I'm just laughing at the Xbox fanboys on twitter who are angry about Square saying Xbox people don't buy games and realizing that they likely aren't selling to MS. Continue putting words in my mouth though. I have no interest in arguing over a non-issue like this. This forum has enough of that going on and is getting worse for it.

I'm not having a meltdown nor being miserable. I'm pointing out exactly what is going on. As I already said it is not just about Game Pass as the OP talks about other factors such as marketing. TGS is a good example of this. I agree they're not selling to Microsoft, but the point is they're free to exploit Xbox all they want because at the end of the day PS players fork over their money regardless of how they're treated. You can be a decade long Yakuza fan, but the next-gen version of a game you want is Xbox exclusive? Do you see what I mean?

I don't know what words I've allegedly put in your mouth, my entire point has been there is a psychological impact that happens with SE giving preferential treatment to Xbox in many ways despite them not giving anywhere near the money Sony fans do. All I ask is if >80% of your revenue comes from Sony, you start acting like it and doing better for those people. I don't think that is a big ask.

 

[BroodCorp]

They made their bed ignoring the Japanese market during the 360 gen and now they have to lay in it. No one game can bring them back either a la Blue Dragon.

 

[Danja]

Simply sounds like they are extorting Xbox. You better pay for marketing since your sales won't make a dent.

 

[ethomaz]

Some weird twisted logic

The only think I understood is that they want MS money to promote the game.

 

[Zzero]

How come so?
Did you give the text a read?
It’s devastating what he said about Xbox.

If those recent Nintendo specs rumors arectrue (big if, of course) then they'll have some huge high def gaming competition in Japan in about a year.

 

[Eternal_Wings]

If those recent Nintendo specs rumors arectrue (big if, of corse) then they'll have some huge high def gaming competition in Japan in about a year.

Nah this was already debunked as a fanboy’s fantasy. The specs will be close to Standard PS4 (not Pro).

 

[reziel]

Well it is my reality. I'm a long time Yakuza fan and then with 7 they said "sorry, next gen is Xbox exclusive." Cheers, thanks for that Square. But sure, let me chump up $70 (are they $70 yet?) to buy Like a Dragon Infinite Wealth Day 1 while Xbox players get it for free. I'm not sure how anyone with dignity thinks this is a positive arrangement for Playstation at all? They roll out the rug for Xbox, you pay full price and get nothing extra, what is the point of being a Square customer on PS if this is the arrangement?

Comparing a cheap franchise from a bottom barrel company to Square is a terrible example. All of the Yakuza games reuse 90% of the assets from the 1st one. Sega is terrible with their money not to mention the quality of their games are significantly lower then the other competitors. Their main money makers are resorts and pachinko for crying out loud. Besides even if Square did put games on gamepass they are not going to be their main moneymaker. They know full well that to get good funding to continue growth is to sell their titles with quality not quantity hence why Nintendo and Playstation get top dibs gamepass will not improve their quality.

 

[Gods&Monsters]

It didn't work for Sega.

Persona and Yakuza used to be an event but with Xbox marketing they are getting no hype, no views and low sales. They are now synonymous with bargain bins games and shovelware.

I agree with Nimrota and others who stop buying Sega games at full price. They shit them out too fast anyway.

 

[Nimrota]

Comparing a cheap franchise from a bottom barrel company to Square is a terrible example. All of the Yakuza games reuse 90% of the assets from the 1st one. Sega is terrible with their money not to mention the quality of their games are significantly lower then the other competitors. Their main money makers are resorts and pachinko for crying out loud. Besides even if Square did put games on gamepass they are not going to be their main moneymaker. They know full well that to get good funding to continue growth is to sell their titles with quality not quantity hence why Nintendo and Playstation get top dibs gamepass will not improve their quality.

Hey man, I like Yakuza thank you very much! I agree there are many elements to it, I just wanted to highlight that there is a psychological element that comes into play. Companies like Sega, Square, etc, should be wary, and as a fan you should care about how these companies treat you as a customer regardless of the strengths or weaknesses of their product.

 

[Shmunter]

More ip to Xbox equals less point of difference on PS. That's the truth off it, Ryan better be spinning up those 1st parties with some amazing shit.

 

[Eternal_Wings]

Hey man, I like Yakuza thank you very much! I agree there are many elements to it, I just wanted to highlight that there is a psychological element that comes into play. Companies like Sega, Square, etc, should be wary, and as a fan you should care about how these companies treat you as a customer regardless of the strengths or weaknesses of their product.

As long Persona, Yakuza will continue to be strong on PS, they won’t bother to put the games on GP. Because Sega knows these franchises would sell only a couple of thousands copies. Meanwhile the sales are carried by PlayStation in million numbers. They took the opportunity to gain some bonus with the extra money from Microsoft. As long PS people don’t boycott Sega, this won’t sadly change…

 

[On Demand]

What does the former director of business know about Square Enix plans? Where are these comments from and when? Nothing he said looks like SE support for XB will change drastically besides the usual AA games. Also XB has already been getting SE games. It got almost every single game the last year like FF Strangers of Paradise and Diofield Chronicles.

The new president didn’t bring back any Xbox support. MS went to Japan begging for AAA ports.

 

[Yurinka]

Yes, to sell a game in more platforms and to get marketing from more places make the game sell more. Specially in the best selling platform.

 

[John Elden Ring]

What's in it for Playstation to keep paying square then?

FFXIV coming to Xbox

 

[ChorizoPicozo]