That's why I argue that Sony should invest more in mobile gaming, because the money from mobile gaming could easily be invested in making PlayStation games. No wonder Tencent is still ahead of Microsoft and Sony thanks to mobile gaming.
From 2017-2023, the console games market has grown +59%. PC only +37%; has shrunk since 2022
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At the beginning of the gen, Capcom released almost nothing on PS besides REVillage. Monster Hunter Rise and Monster Hunter Stories 2 were PC/Switch exclusives and they sold millions. It made PC look bigger compared with PlayStation that only had RE Village. That's when these reports started coming out.They definitely aren't bigger in Europe/the UK. We're talking 2-4x ratios just between the PS consoles and PC. Something drastically different is happening in Asia for Capcom
Chris Dring at GDC: Xbox sales flatlining in Europe, majority of Xbox games coming to PS5 at some point, MS putting less focus on GamePass and more.
UK Physical and Digital March 2023 Resident Evil 4 PS5 - 56% PS4 - 9% Xbox Series S and X - 20% PC -15% UK Physical and Digital June 2023 Street Fighter 6 PS5 - 52% PC - 23% Xbox Series S and X -17% PS4 - 7% Europe Physical and Digital June 2023 Street Fighter 6 PS5 - 51% PC - 28% Xbox...www.resetera.com
But now 3 years later? I doubt it's still true.
Apple arcade alone makes a ton of money as well. Sony's most profitable game is a mobile one
It's because PC sales are too low to register.
UK 2023 |PS5:1.2m, NSW: 720k, XBS: 650k| PS commands 49% market share/Xbox only 10%. PS5 up 55% and Xbox down 14% Flipbook info added.
Updated 3/7/24 Flipbook info added https://flipbook-livid.vercel.app/deploy/examples/assets/pdf/book.pdf https://www.gamesindustry.biz/uk-pc-and-console-sales-grew-26-in-2023-uk-annual-report-1 A big year for PS5, but sales drops elsewhere 2.38 million games consoles were sold...icon-era.com
UK:
Resident Evil 4 physical: 145k
Resident Evil 4 console digital: 136k
Resident Evil 4 PC digital: ~40k (Not on top 20 list, sub 43k)
Nope, it's because they don't track it. Lots of PC games are not tracked wherever it is NPD or other tracker organizations.
Do you seriously believe the best-selling sku for Street Fighter 6, Resident Evil 4 (with PSVR2 mode) and Dragons Dogma 2 is the PC version? Like every NPD and UK threads, the Steam version was number 1 for all of them?
You can't be serious? Not even Gabe's personal mistress would believe that
Yes, I do.
Im not blinded by console fanboyism like others on this site clearly is.
CapComs focus on PC as their lead platform is for a reason.
No numbers supports this in any market worldwide. You're the one completely blinded by your PCMR. Troll.
Well, the biggest gaming markets in the world, China, Asia in general, don't even care about consoles.
Sony and MS uses PC/Steam to reach those markets.
I mean.... games sell good on steam but their focus on pc could still be a translation or communication error.
Absolutely, they have however repeated that focus many times over the years.
Once they talked about how well their older games were selling on PC and I think that's part of the reason they focus on PC. It is so easy to buy older games on Steam compared to consoles and they still make money from older games.
Like, you can often see sales on games that are 6+ years old on Steam that are topping the global best seller chart list.
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Good call. I found an article from 2014 about releases on PC in Asia:
Capcom Decided to Launch Seven Online Titles for China and Other Asian Countries– Full-scale entry into growing markets by using major franchise and joint operations with overseas partners – | Press Release | CAPCOM
Capcom Co., Ltd. (Capcom) is pleased to announce that the decision has been made to start selling seven new titles for smartphones and PCs in order to aim for growth of the online business in China and other Asian countries. The titles will be introduced one by one in this region beginning with...
www.capcom.co.jp
Monster hunter Online, which they released with Tencent in China, is an example of having to have a completely different game for this market. Even if it's profitable, it has no bearing on the AAA multiplatform market, where PC is likely still the bottom rung even for Capcom.
Going by this logic, we should also only consider the type of games which actually sell and make up the majority of the revenue in that region:
MTX filled GaaS, gacha games and MMORPGs, especially "domestic" ones.
I don't feel represented by that, I don't like those kind of games and I don't want that majority of the games turn to that shit on my platform(s) of choice.
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Dumbest shit I'd read today, until Piscatella's take, that is.
See some of my graphs being posted.
People tend to conflate the PC market for AAA/AA/F2P games because they include China and SK, huge PC markets, but are largely untapped to foreign companies due to demographics and government laws.
The PC market may be $40B globally but $20B of that is China ($15B) and SK ($5B) so for most gaming pubs, $20B is mostly the addressable market. Compared with consoles total software market (not incl subs or full physical revenue):
Console sub market:
Total Console software market = $44B
Total Console hardware market = PS ($10B), Nintendo ($5.5B), Xbox ($3.3B) = $18.8B = $62.8B (SW+HW)
Worth repeating, but that rainbow visual capitalist chart is complete bogus and shows how misinformation can spread despite 0 sources.
We have actual sales data and publisher data on PC sales.
www.installbaseforum.com
Console is 70-80% of revenue for the big AAA pubs. Its the lifeblood of the AAA industry.
To put it even more clearly, per MSFT's estimate, Epic's estimate and the recent Wolfire v Steam courtcase, Valve's revenue is only $7B
People tend to conflate the PC market for AAA/AA/F2P games because they include China and SK, huge PC markets, but are largely untapped to foreign companies due to demographics and government laws.
The PC market may be $40B globally but $20B of that is China ($15B) and SK ($5B) so for most gaming pubs, $20B is mostly the addressable market. Compared with consoles total software market (not incl subs or full physical revenue):
- Playstation : $13B (PS FY 2023)
- Xbox : $7.2B (Xbox leak 2020, declined now)
- Nintendo : $7.5B (Nintendo FY 2023)
- Playstation : ~$16.3B
- Xbox : ~$8B
- Nintendo : $9.5B
Console sub market:
- Playstation : $4.5B
- Xbox : $3.5B
- Nintendo : $1B
Total Console software market = $44B
Total Console hardware market = PS ($10B), Nintendo ($5.5B), Xbox ($3.3B) = $18.8B = $62.8B (SW+HW)
Worth repeating, but that rainbow visual capitalist chart is complete bogus and shows how misinformation can spread despite 0 sources.
We have actual sales data and publisher data on PC sales.
France 2023 Top 20 sales on PC and consoles
From Chloe Woitier (that regularly has interviews/articles about the industry in France): Official Top 20 from @SELL_JeuxVideo just came out : 1) FC 24 2) Hogwarts Legacy 3) Zelda TOKT 4) Mario Wonder Note that Baldur's Gate 3 isn't present because Larian doesn't share their numbers...
www.installbaseforum.com
Console is 70-80% of revenue for the big AAA pubs. Its the lifeblood of the AAA industry.
To put it even more clearly, per MSFT's estimate, Epic's estimate and the recent Wolfire v Steam courtcase, Valve's revenue is only $7B
- Playstation : ~$16.3B (+$4.5B subs)
- Xbox : ~$8B (+$3.5B subs)
- Nintendo : $9.5B (+$1B subs)
- Valve : $7B
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See some of my graphs being posted.
People tend to conflate the PC market for AAA/AA/F2P games because they include China and SK, huge PC markets, but are largely untapped to foreign companies due to demographics and government laws.
The PC market may be $40B globally but $20B of that is China ($15B) and SK ($5B) so for most gaming pubs, $20B is mostly the addressable market. Compared with consoles total software market (not incl subs or full physical revenue):
This is not even full revenue. Physical is a huge market for Nintendo and Playstation, and on their FY it is only accounted as the platform cut, only 15% of the full revenue. With that in mind, approx:
- Playstation : $13B (PS FY 2023)
- Xbox : $7.2B (Xbox leak 2020, declined now)
- Nintendo : $7.5B (Nintendo FY 2023)
Total = $35B
- Playstation : ~$16.3B
- Xbox : ~$8B
- Nintendo : $9.5B
Console sub market:
Total = $9B
- Playstation : $4.5B
- Xbox : $3.5B
- Nintendo : $1B
Total Console software market = $44B
Total Console hardware market = PS ($10B), Nintendo ($5.5B), Xbox ($3.3B) = $18.8B = $62.8B
Worth repeating, but that rainbow visual capitalist chart is complete bogus and shows how misinformation can spread despite 0 sources.
We have actual sales data and publisher data on PC sales.
France 2023 Top 20 sales on PC and consoles
From Chloe Woitier (that regularly has interviews/articles about the industry in France): Official Top 20 from @SELL_JeuxVideo just came out : 1) FC 24 2) Hogwarts Legacy 3) Zelda TOKT 4) Mario Wonder Note that Baldur's Gate 3 isn't present because Larian doesn't share their numbers...
Console is 70-80% of revenue for the big AAA pubs. Its the lifeblood of the AAA industry.
To put it even more clearly, per MSFT's estimate, Epic's estimate and the recent Wolfire v Steam courtcase, Valve's revenue is only $7B
PC isn't eating the console space, but the two are in competition. Consoles like PS/Nintendo can eat PC marketshare, as we saw in Germany or SK. China is a huge growth region of both PS and Nintendo and I imagine if they got big there, they will be eating PC marketshare.
- Playstation : ~$16.3B
- Xbox : ~$8B
- Nintendo : $9.5B
- Valve : $7B
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What an absolute firecracker of a first post and thank you for putting to bed the notion that the Pelham Smithers chart is legitimate, and underlining the huge contribution of an entirely separate China/SK market bundled up into PC statsSee some of my graphs being posted.
People tend to conflate the PC market for AAA/AA/F2P games because they include China and SK, huge PC markets, but are largely untapped to foreign companies due to demographics and government laws.
The PC market may be $40B globally but $20B of that is China ($15B) and SK ($5B) so for most gaming pubs, $20B is mostly the addressable market. Compared with consoles total software market (not incl subs or full physical revenue):
This is not even full revenue. Physical is a huge market for Nintendo and Playstation, and on their FY it is only accounted as the platform cut, only 15% of the full revenue. With that in mind, approx:
- Playstation : $13B (PS FY 2023)
- Xbox : $7.2B (Xbox leak 2020, declined now)
- Nintendo : $7.5B (Nintendo FY 2023)
Total = $35B
- Playstation : ~$16.3B
- Xbox : ~$8B
- Nintendo : $9.5B
Console sub market:
Total = $9B
- Playstation : $4.5B
- Xbox : $3.5B
- Nintendo : $1B
Total Console software market = $44B
Total Console hardware market = PS ($10B), Nintendo ($5.5B), Xbox ($3.3B) = $18.8B = $62.8B (SW+HW)
Worth repeating, but that rainbow visual capitalist chart is complete bogus and shows how misinformation can spread despite 0 sources.
We have actual sales data and publisher data on PC sales.
France 2023 Top 20 sales on PC and consoles
From Chloe Woitier (that regularly has interviews/articles about the industry in France): Official Top 20 from @SELL_JeuxVideo just came out : 1) FC 24 2) Hogwarts Legacy 3) Zelda TOKT 4) Mario Wonder Note that Baldur's Gate 3 isn't present because Larian doesn't share their numbers...
Console is 70-80% of revenue for the big AAA pubs. Its the lifeblood of the AAA industry.
To put it even more clearly, per MSFT's estimate, Epic's estimate and the recent Wolfire v Steam courtcase, Valve's revenue is only $7B
PC isn't eating the console space, but the two are in competition. Consoles like PS/Nintendo can eat PC marketshare, as we saw in Germany or SK. China is a huge growth region of both PS and Nintendo and I imagine if they got big there, they will be eating PC marketshare.
- Playstation : ~$16.3B (+$4.5B subs)
- Xbox : ~$8B (+$3.5B subs)
- Nintendo : $9.5B (+$1B subs)
- Valve : $7B
And welcome! I always loved reading yours on Installbase, but I find the forum itself insufferable due to bad actors like Fiendcode.
That Capcom number are fake or very old, see the Capcom statements regarding their PC revenue in this post. In FY22 they said in two different quarters that PC was around 50% for them, and then in FY23 said that it kept growing.Playstation is the biggest platform for all the publishers, unless you think PC is bigger than all consoles combined
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Capcom = 45% with the 3 consoles or 64% between Xbox and PS. These numbers are outdated so Xbox is even lower now.
Please, can you provide the source for Capcom's revenue split per console/platform? I did search for it yesterday in their reports and wasn't able to find it.
Nice. Just to be clear, only the last table of that post is about Capcom only. The other ones are for the whole gaming market, not only Capcom. In all cases IDG estimates, but reported in different ways and times.
SIE mentioned multiple times that they are working to expand to mobile. They created a new PlayStation Mobile division, hired top exec from places like the AppStore, bought Savage/Neon Koi (Supercell/Rovio/Rockstar/Wargaming people), made deals with several top mobile devs/publishers in Asia in recent years asa Tencent, Netease, MiHoyo, NC Soft, CyGames(+Kadokawa) or -they were top 1 in Japan- Akatsuki(+Koei Tecmo). They are also working to bring and adapt PS+ and PS cloud gaming to mobile. Outside SIE, Sony also acquired in recent times Lasengle (generated over $7B with Fate/Grand Order for them) or Crunchyroll Games.
They mentioned their expansion to mobile would also help them improve their profitability, and like with PC it would help them expand in regions where consoles aren't a big market, particularly in some key Asian countries like China Korea or India.
They mentioned plans to bring their IPs to mobile partnering with top mobile gaming players or via new internal teams they'd acquire or create with expert devs, plus also plans to parter with smaller, buotique mobile gaming teams.
But all these things take time, we may start seeing the first mobile games fruit of these efforts in maybe a year or two (or more).
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See some of my graphs being posted.
People tend to conflate the PC market for AAA/AA/F2P games because they include China and SK, huge PC markets, but are largely untapped to foreign companies due to demographics and government laws.
The PC market may be $40B globally but $20B of that is China ($15B) and SK ($5B) so for most gaming pubs, $20B is mostly the addressable market. Compared with consoles total software market (not incl subs or full physical revenue):
This is not even full revenue. Physical is a huge market for Nintendo and Playstation, and on their FY it is only accounted as the platform cut, only 15% of the full revenue. With that in mind, approx:
- Playstation : $13B (PS FY 2023)
- Xbox : $7.2B (Xbox leak 2020, declined now)
- Nintendo : $7.5B (Nintendo FY 2023)
Total = $35B
- Playstation : ~$16.3B
- Xbox : ~$8B
- Nintendo : $9.5B
Console sub market:
Total = $9B
- Playstation : $4.5B
- Xbox : $3.5B
- Nintendo : $1B
Total Console software market = $44B
Total Console hardware market = PS ($10B), Nintendo ($5.5B), Xbox ($3.3B) = $18.8B = $62.8B (SW+HW)
Worth repeating, but that rainbow visual capitalist chart is complete bogus and shows how misinformation can spread despite 0 sources.
We have actual sales data and publisher data on PC sales.
France 2023 Top 20 sales on PC and consoles
From Chloe Woitier (that regularly has interviews/articles about the industry in France): Official Top 20 from @SELL_JeuxVideo just came out : 1) FC 24 2) Hogwarts Legacy 3) Zelda TOKT 4) Mario Wonder Note that Baldur's Gate 3 isn't present because Larian doesn't share their numbers...
Console is 70-80% of revenue for the big AAA pubs. Its the lifeblood of the AAA industry.
To put it even more clearly, per MSFT's estimate, Epic's estimate and the recent Wolfire v Steam courtcase, Valve's revenue is only $7B
PC isn't eating the console space, but the two are in competition. Consoles like PS/Nintendo can eat PC marketshare, as we saw in Germany or SK. China is a huge growth region of both PS and Nintendo and I imagine if they got big there, they will be eating PC marketshare.
- Playstation : ~$16.3B (+$4.5B subs)
- Xbox : ~$8B (+$3.5B subs)
- Nintendo : $9.5B (+$1B subs)
- Valve : $7B
I've been following your posts on Installbase for years and I think you're the best poster there. I don't know how you deal with all the nintendrones, xbots and haters.
Welfare posts here too btw
This is obvious to everyone and we've been repeating this non-stop but they still believe PC is 50% because of China market
Xbox is stagnating and going down so the whole industry is getting together and do damage control for them while Sony is breaking all the records
This is the biggest astroturfing campaign since Game Pass.