GameDiscoverCo estimates have anywhere between 65% and 75% of Helldivers 2's LTD players on Steam |UP| 2/24/24 Overall, over 60% PC split.

flaccidsnake

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Colin is too. Lol

The rare time I agree with him. And it's better than he's saying because it's only a 70/30 split for the first 50M. After that the revenue share drops to 80/20. In exchange you can reach an additional 150M monthly active users to sell your $200M AAA games. This isn't a hard sell. It's a way better deal for Playstation than selling a boxed game through Amazon.
 

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The rare time I agree with him. And it's better than he's saying because it's only a 70/30 split for the first 50M. After that the revenue share drops to 80/20. In exchange you can reach an additional 150M monthly active users to sell your $200M AAA games. This isn't a hard sell. It's a way better deal for Playstation than selling a boxed game through Amazon.
What you're saying is "Building Valves customer base is a way better deal than building your own console install base"
 

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The rare time I agree with him. And it's better than he's saying because it's only a 70/30 split for the first 50M. After that the revenue share drops to 80/20. In exchange you can reach an additional 150M monthly active users to sell your $200M AAA games. This isn't a hard sell. It's a way better deal for Playstation than selling a boxed game through Amazon.

It's inevitable that we will all be forced to buy PCs to play games
 

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The rare time I agree with him. And it's better than he's saying because it's only a 70/30 split for the first 50M. After that the revenue share drops to 80/20. In exchange you can reach an additional 150M monthly active users to sell your $200M AAA games. This isn't a hard sell. It's a way better deal for Playstation than selling a boxed game through Amazon.

God you're ignorant AF. If you bothered to do any actual reading, you'd know that out of the 130+ million Steam users, only ~ 30 million regularly buy games. The MAUs for the platform does not represent much in dollars because you can open a Steam account for zero dollars. And a single person can have multiple accounts, at that.

Also your ignorance seemed to make you forget that a digital storefront exists on PlayStation consoles. I swear the past two years have been a goldmine in dumb gamers showing their asses online, it's not even very fun to debunk the BS these days because choosing to stay perpetually stupid on these topics just shows laziness.

Anyway, I'm going to bed.

What you're saying is "Building Valves customer base is a way better deal than building your own console install base"

It's just boring at this point seeing disingenuous shitposters and gaming-ignorant types online in general. You know the ones, the kind that have on multiple ocassions had the most data-inaccurate and dumbest of takes, yet stubborn enough to never reconsider their POV. If my patience for their type was at a 90 out of 100 prior to everything with the ABK crap, nowadays it's probably at a 5, especially after events that have transpired this year.

They add absolutely nothing of value to gaming discourse, because they're either PCMR/Valve fanboys who know almost nothing of what they're talking about when it comes to consoles, are supposed PlayStation influencers who don't know nearly as much about the business or the platform's own history as they let on, are "gaming media" who at times are even worst than the console warriors, or are Xbox psychopaths who do everything in their power to push their corporate lord and savior's market agendas even if it means rampant FUD against other platforms.

When it comes to talking games all of them are worthless in their own differing ways and the sooner gaming can expunge them, the sooner we can get back to meaningful, positive discourse and constructive criticism that isn't thinly-veiled warring.
 
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It's inevitable that we will all be forced to buy PCs to play games

From what we're hearing from both MS and Sony, it is not likely that these consoles will ever fall to ~$200 like in the past. Actually production costs are going up. PS5 is better able to weather this than Series X, but Sony is still feeling the pain. That's what Hiroki Totoki explained to investors.

Playstation isn't going anywhere, but the era of heavily subsidized hardware might be ending. Similar to how you used to get your phone for free with a contract commitment, now you have to pay out of pocket. The value proposition between a Playstation6 and a console-like gaming PC is going to be very close, if there's even a difference between the two.
 
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Colin is too. Lol


As much as I like Colin, he’s an idiot for thinking this.

New audience = Future new audience have a choice to go PC and totally ignore PS5 ( Equals more money for Steam and less for PSN )

Also means certain people will migrate to PC. Again 30% less money from 1st party sales for Sony. 100% money loss on 3rd party games.
Yes PS will have new buyers/fans, but it will also lose new buyers and older fans. There just handing power to Steam lol.

Losing that audience is way worse. Totally stupid to go day and day with PC. Takes away value from PS5/PS6. The 1-2 extra million sales does not outweigh all the 3rd party sales and 30% of 1st party games they will lose out to Steam.

Steam literally does less work on video games than Nintendo, PS and MS. But are banking money from every developer.

As everyone keeps saying, PS main revenue is 3rd party games right? They potential lose all those sales to a old fan or potential new fan going to PC.

Multiplayer games should be the only games going to PC.

Im not on twitter anymore, someone make him see the facts, its not that difficult to understand ffs
 

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From what we're hearing from both MS and Sony, it is not likely that these consoles will ever fall to ~$200 like in the past. Actually production costs are going up. PS5 is better able to weather this than Series X, but Sony is still feeling the pain. That's what Hiroki Totoki explained to investors.

Playstation isn't going anywhere, but the era of heavily subsidized hardware might be ending. Similar to how you used to get your phone for free with a contract commitment, now you have to pay out of pocket. The value proposition between a Playstation6 and a console-like gaming PC is going to be very close, if there's even a difference between the two.


Consoles arent going anywhere. Been hearing it since 2006…. Sales have bene fine and if it wasn’t due to shortage supply, PS5 sales would of properly been even better than PS4.
 

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and like you, Shawn is wrong 😂

Hikori Totoki (2/14/2024):
In the past we wanted to popularize consoles. And our first party title's main purpose was to make the hardware/console popular. But there is a synergy to it. So if we have strong first party content, not only with our console but also with other platforms, like computers. And the first party can be grown with multiplatforms. And that can help operating profit to improve. So that is another one we want to proactively work on. I personally believe there are opportunities out there for improvement of margin. So I would like to go aggressively to improve our margin.

Does anyone think the CEO of Sony forgot there's a Playstation store?

 

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flaccidsnake

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is it impossible for you to think for yourself? 😂 I guess so...constantly appealing to authority, sad! Look kid, if @JAHGamer didn't say it, then it doesn't matter
I've been arguing for day one Playstation games on Steam. Several posters here disagree that it would kill PlayStation, robbing them of all-important ecosystem sales. Sony/PS execs who actually know the business disagree. Each exec is more ambitious than the last to sell to Steam players. The authority carries a lot of weight.
 

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I've been arguing for day one Playstation games on Steam. Several posters here disagree that it would kill PlayStation, robbing them of all-important ecosystem sales. Sony/PS execs who actually know the business disagree. Each exec is more ambitious than the last to sell to Steam players. The authority carries a lot of weight.

When it comes to PS people here are in denial even after Sony boss reconfirmed day 1 PC releases are happening :D


now i'll get 20 warnings for talking real world talk
 
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I've been arguing for day one Playstation games on Steam. Several posters here disagree that it would kill PlayStation, robbing them of all-important ecosystem sales. Sony/PS execs who actually know the business disagree. Each exec is more ambitious than the last to sell to Steam players. The authority carries a lot of weight.
Do they really disagree when they don't do day 1 on PC aside from MP games?
 

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I've been arguing for day one Playstation games on Steam. Several posters here disagree that it would kill PlayStation, robbing them of all-important ecosystem sales. Sony/PS execs who actually know the business disagree. Each exec is more ambitious than the last to sell to Steam players. The authority carries a lot of weight.
CEO of Playstation, Jim Ryan, said, that PC competing against Playstation.